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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
May 20 2018 08:07 GMT
#19181
Congrats! I don't really understand how the European education system works, can someone give a brief overview? Weird you have to get a certificate first?
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 11:07:27
May 20 2018 08:25 GMT
#19182
Well since there many countries in EU there are multiple education systems. In Poland for example we have obligatory exams after middle school and their results are impotant for getting into University. We just wouldnt use word certificate to describe them as almost everyone passes them (sometimes after few tries) and the results (points) on the exam are much more important that the fact that You passed.

It might be much different depending on the country though.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 20 2018 08:49 GMT
#19183
We used to have something similar, in some of our Provinces. Mandatory province-wide exams for the final year of high-school in core subjects (language, history, math, sciences). They've kind of faded in and out of use though, and how closely University's look at those (compared to overall subject grade).
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18336 Posts
May 20 2018 10:15 GMT
#19184
Figured this should be cross-posted here, in case ppl don't pay attention to the sidebars and only go to their subscribed threads.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/533654-tl-is-hiring-web-developers
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
May 20 2018 11:21 GMT
#19185
Yeah. BTW isnt it standard to post salary range in IT this days? I think it is, at least in Poland.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
May 20 2018 11:50 GMT
#19186
On May 20 2018 20:21 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah. BTW isnt it standard to post salary range in IT this days? I think it is, at least in Poland.


It's not standard. Some companies do not reveal salary ranges and sometimes even keep clauses in their contracts that you can't even discuss your salary with your coworkers.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 12:12:41
May 20 2018 11:54 GMT
#19187
Thats not the same thing. Personal salary is not known, the range for given position is public. Thats the way it is in my company and several others i know. Also i havent received a job offer in long while without explicitly stated salary range.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8264 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 15:41:12
May 20 2018 15:40 GMT
#19188
On May 20 2018 20:50 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 20:21 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah. BTW isnt it standard to post salary range in IT this days? I think it is, at least in Poland.


It's not standard. Some companies do not reveal salary ranges and sometimes even keep clauses in their contracts that you can't even discuss your salary with your coworkers.


Is that even legal..? I imagine it's not in the vast majority of first world countries
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 20 2018 17:37 GMT
#19189
So this article from NPR breaks it down within the US. As far as I know it's illegal, but companies still retaliate, especially if you don't know the law.

But for stating salary before working, it really depends. I guess that's how you'll weed out those who are looking to do it for the love of it, or for just money. All the companies I've worked at never stated salary before hand, they just waited to ask me what I wanted during the interview. Which I've gotten quite used to.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8264 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 18:49:32
May 20 2018 18:49 GMT
#19190
On May 21 2018 02:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So this article from NPR breaks it down within the US. As far as I know it's illegal, but companies still retaliate, especially if you don't know the law.

But for stating salary before working, it really depends. I guess that's how you'll weed out those who are looking to do it for the love of it, or for just money. All the companies I've worked at never stated salary before hand, they just waited to ask me what I wanted during the interview. Which I've gotten quite used to.


Same with all 3 jobs I've had in the industry as well. Salary is a subject for the interview, but it will usually not deviate far from the city average for that type of job unless you're specialised in some way. This way it's also possible to hire less skilled people, and make it work by paying them less, or vice versa for that matter.

But in absolutely no way can they ask coworkers not to discuss their salaries with each other (In Norway at least). That takes away a lot of power from the employees, who wouldn't be able to know if they should be asking for 20 bucks an hour or 30.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
May 21 2018 06:29 GMT
#19191
It is illegal in Poland. Employer can't reveal his employee's salary (it would be a breach of personal data) but can't forbid them from talking about it between themselves (can't reveal it to competition though). Still, plenty of companies try to do that and people don't know it's illegal even though it's been stated clearly in law since at least 1993.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
May 21 2018 07:18 GMT
#19192
In California they just passed an act this year to not let employers _ask_ potential hires about their salary history, so as to protect from salary discrimination beyond what's considered fair.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
May 21 2018 08:05 GMT
#19193
Still i was talking about salary range not exact salary of given employee. In my company it is clearly written that any person with a position "Z" earns between "X" pln and "Y" pln monthly. The Y - X range is usually about 4500pln (1k euro). So You dont know how much someone is making exactly but You do know the general amount. The range is clearly posted on leaflets and website so potential employee know how much to expect even before applying. I think there are mutliple benefits to such strategy but i am aware it is not standard by any means. Still i think most if not all job offers i receive via linkedin contains salary range.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
May 22 2018 06:09 GMT
#19194
On May 21 2018 17:05 Silvanel wrote:
Still i was talking about salary range not exact salary of given employee. In my company it is clearly written that any person with a position "Z" earns between "X" pln and "Y" pln monthly. The Y - X range is usually about 4500pln (1k euro). So You dont know how much someone is making exactly but You do know the general amount. The range is clearly posted on leaflets and website so potential employee know how much to expect even before applying. I think there are mutliple benefits to such strategy but i am aware it is not standard by any means. Still i think most if not all job offers i receive via linkedin contains salary range.


That's not a very big range. Most offers I'm getting have gaps of 7-10k between min and max for the position.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
May 22 2018 07:13 GMT
#19195
Yeah i know, still thats the way it is here.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-23 09:08:07
May 22 2018 21:54 GMT
#19196


Quite an interesting presentation. Definitely recommended if you have time (even for non-Python people).
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
May 24 2018 03:20 GMT
#19197
Does anyone have any good recommendations for open source projects that involve Java? I'm trying to start contributing to the open source community and I don't know how to find what projects I could be useful for.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
May 24 2018 06:31 GMT
#19198
On May 24 2018 12:20 WarSame wrote:
Does anyone have any good recommendations for open source projects that involve Java? I'm trying to start contributing to the open source community and I don't know how to find what projects I could be useful for.


https://github.com/trending/java
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 10:34:25
May 24 2018 09:20 GMT
#19199
On May 23 2018 06:54 Manit0u wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lmCu8wz8ro

Quite an interesting presentation. Definitely recommended if you have time (even for non-Python people).


Begining was kinda meh. But later parts on decorator, generator and context manager were nice.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 24 2018 09:58 GMT
#19200
I'm trying to scrape a website, I've done a little bit in the past with beautifulsoup and requests but pretty basic stuff, didn't have to deal with javascript etc.

https://warhammerunderworlds.com/deck-guides/

so I wanna scrape each category, and within each category I want to scrape each sub-category to get the two tables of cards that were used. This is a really small data set, so takes like 10 minutes to manually copy it down, but I want to know how to do it in python.

Would I be able to do this with something like the requests-html library, and just re-rendering the page for each category/sub category?

Also, if you have recommendations for places (tutorials, blog posts, books) to learnmore about web scraping, please share - I've got a decent grasp of the python libraries for data processing but not so much acquisition. Also I guess learning javascript wouldn't be an awful idea...?
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