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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
February 08 2018 13:31 GMT
#18861
test 'should not chosen default pipeline with related columns' do


I really hate stumbling upon test cases written by people with sub-par english proficiency. Makes it hard to evaluate.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
February 08 2018 14:55 GMT
#18862
The access from our testservers to certain type of device we are testing was cut off after one guy in certain Asian country (which is also a subcontinent) did something very bad. I wont go into details but as a result IT decided to cut access from all servers with traffic above some treshhold to that type of devices. Which of course included our servers. Took us three days to figure out what happened and whitelist our servers.

Be happy when its only spelling.
Pathetic Greta hater.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
February 08 2018 23:09 GMT
#18863
On February 08 2018 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 11:41 WarSame wrote:
Well I figure if I can do this I can remove a substantial amount of code. Instead of opening, using, then closing the adapter I can just have it open the whole time, and use it when I want it. This means that I can make inline calls to the DB without either wrapping it in a pointless function or cluttering up my code. I'm wondering whether my proposal is bad design, though.

If I recall, you've asked similar questions before, and the general theme seems to be that you're putting a lot of undue emphasis on "decluttering" your code. Clean code should come naturally no matter what you're programming, and hacking functionality together is the opposite of that.

Long-short, always close your DB adapters. There may be niche cases where you will want to leave a connection open, but you should be able to clearly say why that's necessary from a system perspective.

Also, when you say "without...wrapping it in a pointless function", I hope you're just wording that poorly, because encapsulation is a fundamental aspect of OOP.

Yeah, I'm trying to learn how to code cleanly through this project, so sometimes I'm definitely going over the line.

By "wrapping it" I meant pointless functions like this:


boolean isAuthentic(String email, char[] password) throws NoSuchAlgorithmException {
AccountDbAdapter db = new AccountDbAdapter(getContext());
boolean isAuthentic = db.isAuthentic(email, password);
db.close();

return isAuthentic;
}


I would like to replace that with a single, in-line function call, maybe like:


boolean isAuthentic = Session.getAccountDbAdapter().isAuthentic(email, password)


Since I have functions like this fairly often it would save quite a lot of unnecessary code.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 14:48:15
February 09 2018 08:55 GMT
#18864
https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

https://github.com/koudelka/visualixir

amazing projects
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 17:37:19
February 09 2018 17:32 GMT
#18865
Yeah. Nocode is super secure and efficient. Its vary hard to get client to accept it though. No idea why.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 18:07:08
February 09 2018 17:53 GMT
#18866
Is it possible to tell from analysis of runtime and/or function calls if asymptotic complexity is polynomial, rather than exponential? By exponential I mean including 2^1.00001, for example.

Or to come to such a conclusion would that require mathematical analysis of the code ?


Also, does anyone have any experience with gnu gmp or redis?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 18:09:33
February 09 2018 18:08 GMT
#18867
On February 10 2018 02:53 travis wrote:
Is it possible to tell from analysis of runtime and/or function calls if asymptotic complexity is polynomial, rather than exponential? By exponential I mean including 2^1.00001, for example.

Or to come to such a conclusion would that require mathematical analysis of the code ?


Well with asymptotically large amounts of input size, you can get a dataset of runtimes for instance which will show you that it's exponential, since regardless of what the constants are, n^c < c^n.

In practical terms though, c^(1.00000000000000000001n) for n = 10^1000000 for instance far outstrips (n*10^1000000)^c for c being any reasonable number

Function calls, no, runtime, cpu cycles, or some other low level iteration metric yes, as long as it scales in some way with the input N
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11998 Posts
February 09 2018 18:21 GMT
#18868
If you can generate enough data which is good enough, you should be able to simply take those data points, and fit a curve onto them. You can then compare whether a polynomial curve or an exponential curve fits the data better.

It should be irrelevant where those data points are coming from, unless they are laden with too much uncertainty to produce a valid answer.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 09 2018 18:32 GMT
#18869
On February 09 2018 08:09 WarSame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 08 2018 11:41 WarSame wrote:
Well I figure if I can do this I can remove a substantial amount of code. Instead of opening, using, then closing the adapter I can just have it open the whole time, and use it when I want it. This means that I can make inline calls to the DB without either wrapping it in a pointless function or cluttering up my code. I'm wondering whether my proposal is bad design, though.

If I recall, you've asked similar questions before, and the general theme seems to be that you're putting a lot of undue emphasis on "decluttering" your code. Clean code should come naturally no matter what you're programming, and hacking functionality together is the opposite of that.

Long-short, always close your DB adapters. There may be niche cases where you will want to leave a connection open, but you should be able to clearly say why that's necessary from a system perspective.

Also, when you say "without...wrapping it in a pointless function", I hope you're just wording that poorly, because encapsulation is a fundamental aspect of OOP.

Yeah, I'm trying to learn how to code cleanly through this project, so sometimes I'm definitely going over the line.

By "wrapping it" I meant pointless functions like this:


boolean isAuthentic(String email, char[] password) throws NoSuchAlgorithmException {
AccountDbAdapter db = new AccountDbAdapter(getContext());
boolean isAuthentic = db.isAuthentic(email, password);
db.close();

return isAuthentic;
}


I would like to replace that with a single, in-line function call, maybe like:


boolean isAuthentic = Session.getAccountDbAdapter().isAuthentic(email, password)


Since I have functions like this fairly often it would save quite a lot of unnecessary code.

So, why do you feel that code is unnecessary?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
February 09 2018 19:28 GMT
#18870
On February 10 2018 03:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:09 WarSame wrote:
On February 08 2018 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 08 2018 11:41 WarSame wrote:
Well I figure if I can do this I can remove a substantial amount of code. Instead of opening, using, then closing the adapter I can just have it open the whole time, and use it when I want it. This means that I can make inline calls to the DB without either wrapping it in a pointless function or cluttering up my code. I'm wondering whether my proposal is bad design, though.

If I recall, you've asked similar questions before, and the general theme seems to be that you're putting a lot of undue emphasis on "decluttering" your code. Clean code should come naturally no matter what you're programming, and hacking functionality together is the opposite of that.

Long-short, always close your DB adapters. There may be niche cases where you will want to leave a connection open, but you should be able to clearly say why that's necessary from a system perspective.

Also, when you say "without...wrapping it in a pointless function", I hope you're just wording that poorly, because encapsulation is a fundamental aspect of OOP.

Yeah, I'm trying to learn how to code cleanly through this project, so sometimes I'm definitely going over the line.

By "wrapping it" I meant pointless functions like this:


boolean isAuthentic(String email, char[] password) throws NoSuchAlgorithmException {
AccountDbAdapter db = new AccountDbAdapter(getContext());
boolean isAuthentic = db.isAuthentic(email, password);
db.close();

return isAuthentic;
}


I would like to replace that with a single, in-line function call, maybe like:


boolean isAuthentic = Session.getAccountDbAdapter().isAuthentic(email, password)


Since I have functions like this fairly often it would save quite a lot of unnecessary code.

So, why do you feel that code is unnecessary?

It seems like my code is repeating itself, making the intentions of the code less clear.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
February 09 2018 19:33 GMT
#18871
On February 10 2018 04:28 WarSame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2018 03:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:09 WarSame wrote:
On February 08 2018 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 08 2018 11:41 WarSame wrote:
Well I figure if I can do this I can remove a substantial amount of code. Instead of opening, using, then closing the adapter I can just have it open the whole time, and use it when I want it. This means that I can make inline calls to the DB without either wrapping it in a pointless function or cluttering up my code. I'm wondering whether my proposal is bad design, though.

If I recall, you've asked similar questions before, and the general theme seems to be that you're putting a lot of undue emphasis on "decluttering" your code. Clean code should come naturally no matter what you're programming, and hacking functionality together is the opposite of that.

Long-short, always close your DB adapters. There may be niche cases where you will want to leave a connection open, but you should be able to clearly say why that's necessary from a system perspective.

Also, when you say "without...wrapping it in a pointless function", I hope you're just wording that poorly, because encapsulation is a fundamental aspect of OOP.

Yeah, I'm trying to learn how to code cleanly through this project, so sometimes I'm definitely going over the line.

By "wrapping it" I meant pointless functions like this:


boolean isAuthentic(String email, char[] password) throws NoSuchAlgorithmException {
AccountDbAdapter db = new AccountDbAdapter(getContext());
boolean isAuthentic = db.isAuthentic(email, password);
db.close();

return isAuthentic;
}


I would like to replace that with a single, in-line function call, maybe like:


boolean isAuthentic = Session.getAccountDbAdapter().isAuthentic(email, password)


Since I have functions like this fairly often it would save quite a lot of unnecessary code.

So, why do you feel that code is unnecessary?

It seems like my code is repeating itself, making the intentions of the code less clear.


This is sensible and pretty core to having clean and proper code which can be easily read and fixed. At the best of your ability, try not to repeat any lines of code.

Think about it this way: If you do a mistake in your often repeated code, you now have to go back and fix every occurance of it. If you set it aside and repeat the call instead, you only have to fix it once.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-10 00:36:46
February 10 2018 00:33 GMT
#18872
So, I still have been going hard on working to find a reasonable exact solver for the TSP, and even if I haven't solved it, I have improved my results to a point where I feel they are pretty impressive.

I tested it 1000 times vs a brute force solver at n=9 and it matched the brute force all 1000 times, I tested it 100 times vs a good greedy solver I found online for n = 20 and it beat or tied (almost always beat) the greedy solver 100/100 times.

I tested it on two of the data sets here http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/world/countries.html, n=29 and n=39. It solved both of those, in 35 seconds and 50 seconds.

For benchmarking on randomly generated matrices (which are more difficult than the typical matrices I can find online based on real data), I see times like this (some overhead probably presented by the profiler)

(these are averages, there is quite a bit of variance)
@n

11: .1 seconds (compared with the roughly ~1 minute of brute force)
12: .17 sec
13: .26 sec
14: .42 sec
15: .7 sec
16: 1.1 sec
24: 13 secs
32 55 secs

this is on my desktop pc, which is probably average in terms of speed. it's in python, if I rewrote it in C (and if i was good enough to rewrite it in C), I could probably make it go much much faster.

I of course need to test bigger datasets, but even if it messes up somewhere I am still very proud of what I have accomplished doing this stuff (my life has revolved around it for the last 3 months... ive been obsessed).

I do think I still have a couple ways in mind to make it perform faster and lose less memory (it uses a lot). Right now it will soon approach the point where my 6gb of ram is not enough.
Neshapotamus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-10 20:38:50
February 10 2018 05:36 GMT
#18873
On February 10 2018 09:33 travis wrote:
So, I still have been going hard on working to find a reasonable exact solver for the TSP, and even if I haven't solved it, I have improved my results to a point where I feel they are pretty impressive.

I tested it 1000 times vs a brute force solver at n=9 and it matched the brute force all 1000 times, I tested it 100 times vs a good greedy solver I found online for n = 20 and it beat or tied (almost always beat) the greedy solver 100/100 times.

I tested it on two of the data sets here http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/world/countries.html, n=29 and n=39. It solved both of those, in 35 seconds and 50 seconds.

For benchmarking on randomly generated matrices (which are more difficult than the typical matrices I can find online based on real data), I see times like this (some overhead probably presented by the profiler)

(these are averages, there is quite a bit of variance)
@n

11: .1 seconds (compared with the roughly ~1 minute of brute force)
12: .17 sec
13: .26 sec
14: .42 sec
15: .7 sec
16: 1.1 sec
24: 13 secs
32 55 secs

this is on my desktop pc, which is probably average in terms of speed. it's in python, if I rewrote it in C (and if i was good enough to rewrite it in C), I could probably make it go much much faster.

I of course need to test bigger datasets, but even if it messes up somewhere I am still very proud of what I have accomplished doing this stuff (my life has revolved around it for the last 3 months... ive been obsessed).

I do think I still have a couple ways in mind to make it perform faster and lose less memory (it uses a lot). Right now it will soon approach the point where my 6gb of ram is not enough.


Here are some other ways people are solving TSP.

https://github.com/DiegoVicen/ntnu-som

The basic idea is to use a self-organing map (unsupervised neural network model).

You should share your code with us and explain your approach! While building code is nice, writing and explaining your method should deepen your understanding of your algorithm. Most likely, you're applying techniques that people have already thought about.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
February 10 2018 08:16 GMT
#18874
On February 10 2018 14:36 Neshapotamus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2018 09:33 travis wrote:
So, I still have been going hard on working to find a reasonable exact solver for the TSP, and even if I haven't solved it, I have improved my results to a point where I feel they are pretty impressive.

I tested it 1000 times vs a brute force solver at n=9 and it matched the brute force all 1000 times, I tested it 100 times vs a good greedy solver I found online for n = 20 and it beat or tied (almost always beat) the greedy solver 100/100 times.

I tested it on two of the data sets here http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/world/countries.html, n=29 and n=39. It solved both of those, in 35 seconds and 50 seconds.

For benchmarking on randomly generated matrices (which are more difficult than the typical matrices I can find online based on real data), I see times like this (some overhead probably presented by the profiler)

(these are averages, there is quite a bit of variance)
@n

11: .1 seconds (compared with the roughly ~1 minute of brute force)
12: .17 sec
13: .26 sec
14: .42 sec
15: .7 sec
16: 1.1 sec
24: 13 secs
32 55 secs

this is on my desktop pc, which is probably average in terms of speed. it's in python, if I rewrote it in C (and if i was good enough to rewrite it in C), I could probably make it go much much faster.

I of course need to test bigger datasets, but even if it messes up somewhere I am still very proud of what I have accomplished doing this stuff (my life has revolved around it for the last 3 months... ive been obsessed).

I do think I still have a couple ways in mind to make it perform faster and lose less memory (it uses a lot). Right now it will soon approach the point where my 6gb of ram is not enough.


Here are some other ways people are solving TSP.

https://github.com/DiegoVicen/ntnu-som

The basic idea is to use a self-organing map (unsupervised neural network model).

You should share your code with us and explain your approach! While building code is nice, writing and explaining your method should deepen your understanding of your algorithm. Most likely, your applying techniques that people have already thought about.


If you think you're really into something new, don't share. Depending on your goals, you can write a scientific article, or try to monetize your idea.

But for it to be really good you need to be better than state-of-the-art approaches (such as those self-organizing maps), and not just better than brute force and greedy approaches.

And it's a very popular problem to work on, so the competition is strong. I wouldn't get my hopes up that you have actually made a breakthrough. But it's always a (slight) possibility. However, if you haven't actually made a breakthrough, sharing with peers is indeed a great way to improve (it's also a great way if you have made a breakthrough, but then it's more important to first protect your idea from being stolen; assuming you care about getting credit for it).


supereddie
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands151 Posts
February 10 2018 08:56 GMT
#18875
On February 09 2018 08:09 WarSame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 08 2018 11:41 WarSame wrote:
Well I figure if I can do this I can remove a substantial amount of code. Instead of opening, using, then closing the adapter I can just have it open the whole time, and use it when I want it. This means that I can make inline calls to the DB without either wrapping it in a pointless function or cluttering up my code. I'm wondering whether my proposal is bad design, though.

If I recall, you've asked similar questions before, and the general theme seems to be that you're putting a lot of undue emphasis on "decluttering" your code. Clean code should come naturally no matter what you're programming, and hacking functionality together is the opposite of that.

Long-short, always close your DB adapters. There may be niche cases where you will want to leave a connection open, but you should be able to clearly say why that's necessary from a system perspective.

Also, when you say "without...wrapping it in a pointless function", I hope you're just wording that poorly, because encapsulation is a fundamental aspect of OOP.

Yeah, I'm trying to learn how to code cleanly through this project, so sometimes I'm definitely going over the line.

By "wrapping it" I meant pointless functions like this:


boolean isAuthentic(String email, char[] password) throws NoSuchAlgorithmException {
AccountDbAdapter db = new AccountDbAdapter(getContext());
boolean isAuthentic = db.isAuthentic(email, password);
db.close();

return isAuthentic;
}


I would like to replace that with a single, in-line function call, maybe like:


boolean isAuthentic = Session.getAccountDbAdapter().isAuthentic(email, password)


Since I have functions like this fairly often it would save quite a lot of unnecessary code.

For me the easiest way to do this would be to think about testability: write unit tests. This should give you an idea where to put certain code.

"Do not try to make difficult things possible, but make simple things simple." - David Platt on Software Design
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
February 10 2018 15:03 GMT
#18876
That's a good way to look at it! I haven't unit tested my activities yet, so that poses an obstacle
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-10 18:18:02
February 10 2018 16:00 GMT
#18877
Nvm, there is more to this issue than just a reference not showing up...
Life?
Neshapotamus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States163 Posts
February 10 2018 20:54 GMT
#18878
On February 10 2018 17:16 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2018 14:36 Neshapotamus wrote:
On February 10 2018 09:33 travis wrote:
So, I still have been going hard on working to find a reasonable exact solver for the TSP, and even if I haven't solved it, I have improved my results to a point where I feel they are pretty impressive.

I tested it 1000 times vs a brute force solver at n=9 and it matched the brute force all 1000 times, I tested it 100 times vs a good greedy solver I found online for n = 20 and it beat or tied (almost always beat) the greedy solver 100/100 times.

I tested it on two of the data sets here http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/world/countries.html, n=29 and n=39. It solved both of those, in 35 seconds and 50 seconds.

For benchmarking on randomly generated matrices (which are more difficult than the typical matrices I can find online based on real data), I see times like this (some overhead probably presented by the profiler)

(these are averages, there is quite a bit of variance)
@n

11: .1 seconds (compared with the roughly ~1 minute of brute force)
12: .17 sec
13: .26 sec
14: .42 sec
15: .7 sec
16: 1.1 sec
24: 13 secs
32 55 secs

this is on my desktop pc, which is probably average in terms of speed. it's in python, if I rewrote it in C (and if i was good enough to rewrite it in C), I could probably make it go much much faster.

I of course need to test bigger datasets, but even if it messes up somewhere I am still very proud of what I have accomplished doing this stuff (my life has revolved around it for the last 3 months... ive been obsessed).

I do think I still have a couple ways in mind to make it perform faster and lose less memory (it uses a lot). Right now it will soon approach the point where my 6gb of ram is not enough.


Here are some other ways people are solving TSP.

https://github.com/DiegoVicen/ntnu-som

The basic idea is to use a self-organing map (unsupervised neural network model).

You should share your code with us and explain your approach! While building code is nice, writing and explaining your method should deepen your understanding of your algorithm. Most likely, your applying techniques that people have already thought about.


If you think you're really into something new, don't share. Depending on your goals, you can write a scientific article, or try to monetize your idea.

But for it to be really good you need to be better than state-of-the-art approaches (such as those self-organizing maps), and not just better than brute force and greedy approaches.

And it's a very popular problem to work on, so the competition is strong. I wouldn't get my hopes up that you have actually made a breakthrough. But it's always a (slight) possibility. However, if you haven't actually made a breakthrough, sharing with peers is indeed a great way to improve (it's also a great way if you have made a breakthrough, but then it's more important to first protect your idea from being stolen; assuming you care about getting credit for it).




I would disagree about not sharing. Your idea and code is just one portion of a monetization strategy. If you had a novel solution, you still need to think about creating a product, execution of the product (how will you sell your solution), building a team, and supporting the product. Locking yourself up from feedback is probably the most dangerous strategy.

Here are some reasons why you should feel ok:
1. You can always patent it afterward (even after publishing)
2. You might have made a mistake.
3. No one is going to steal your idea. Afterall, you didn't really provide a proof to why your method is superior. No one is the space of looking at amateur solutions.
4. Feedback will refine your idea
5. Consensus from your peers is how you drive innovation forward and legitimize your novel approach.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
February 11 2018 18:50 GMT
#18879
Or the easier / cop out monetization strategy with being brilliant enough to beat state of the art tsp algorithm on your own:

Walk into a job paying >$500k/yr at BigCorp.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 11 2018 18:58 GMT
#18880
Well, when travis proves that P=NP I'm def gonna brag to all my friends that I knew about him on this website since 2008 .

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