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1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17845 Posts
August 02 2016 21:54 GMT
#14941
On August 03 2016 00:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 01:14 enigmaticcam wrote:
On July 22 2016 08:16 tofucake wrote:
On July 22 2016 02:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Are Microsoft SQL Server skills (including T-SQL obv) valuable and future-secure?

no

Good to know, and there will always be MSSQL jobs, but Linux servers are like 98% of the internet

That depends on how you use SQL server. Your typical DBA manages a SQL server mostly at an infrastructure level, which would all be proprietary to Microsoft. But at an application level, learning to collate data and understand how to talk to a database is absolutely relevant regardless of the language or implementation.

Also not all databases support internet based applications. There are a lot of internal applications in the corporate world that require a database layer, and SQL Server thrives there.


Thanks for the info all. I only have a basic understand of all this but what are some database technologies that may be used more for internet based applications (including cloud because I know there's Azure SQL). Are these technologies relational? I am learning T-SQL and feel pretty comfortable querying a relational db.


If you really want to get into databases, you should really look into some NoSQL stuff. Most modern systems use more than one db and it's usually NoSQL stuff for caching etc.

Things of interest:
H2 - in-memory db's in the Java world
CouchDB - amazing thing for storing documents
Neo4j - if you need graphs, you don't have to look any further
MongoDB/Redis - your usual cache layer
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 22:09:59
August 02 2016 22:05 GMT
#14942
On August 01 2016 14:59 Djagulingu wrote:
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On July 30 2016 18:17 Manit0u wrote:
On July 30 2016 06:11 Djagulingu wrote:
Anybody here has experience with OAuth2? Can anyone suggest me resources for that shit?


Isn't that sufficient? There are ready-made libraries for that.

http://oauth.net/2/

Do you need help with anything specific pertaining to this?

Didn't even know that this thing existed.

One more question to the vast amount of good programmers in TL: (How) can I build https without having a domain name first? For testing purposes, that is.


If you're running Mac - this is probably the easiest way:

https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/774e4b0b3d4d739cbc53

On August 02 2016 13:42 Nyxisto wrote:
What are the opinions about Go around here?


Bank of America uses .GO from what I can tell.
Life?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 08:14:29
August 02 2016 22:10 GMT
#14943
On a side note, I really need to vent off some steam...

Had a slow day at work, then, all of the sudden the bossman approaches me and is like "Hey Chris! Could you take look at this file? This other dude tried to do a merge of two versions of the product and got some massive conflicts to resolve so we're looking for another pair of eyes to go through it." I didn't have anything better to do so I went to it...

Welcome to 11063 lines of nightmare code that's accumulated a lot of shit over countless careless merges. Holy fuck, the things I've seen, the torment I had to endure...

Basically, we have to support this legacy product (~10 years old) until the end of the year. We're developing bugfixes on PHP 5.6+, it's tested on PHP 5.3 and the client's servers run PHP 5.2 (fucking government can't afford any decent administrators). There are no unit tests for it or anything and the code has been transferred from svn to git some years ago...

Anyway, just to name a few things I've encountered:

if (something) {
} else {
// 400 lines of code
}

- this was pretty common


if (something) {
// 200+ lines of code in the lines of
// if
// foreach
// if
// foreach
// foreach
// if
} else {
return;
}

- also common


if (isset(something) {
if (isset(same_thing) { // checking twice to be sure
// code
}
}

- why?


foreach (something) {
$var = // insert expensive db queries here
}

$new_var = $var;
unset($new_var);

// obviously, do nothing with $var any more

- mindboggling...


// 100 lines of code
return;
// 200 lines of code

- lazy...


if (something || 1) {
// code
}

- extra lazy (and hard to spot)


foreach($var as $key_a => $a) {
foreach($var2 as $key_aa => $ae {
// code
}
}

- naming things is hard...

I can't even count the number of unused variables and objects being instantiated for no reason.
Other offensive stuff:
- db select generation and html generation inside of controller (js too, because why not?)
- html with styles, classes and everything as associative array keys (my eyes bled)

My casual commit after a day's work with this crap:
2379 additions and 2984 deletions... (that's lines of code for the uninitiated)

Fucking hell.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 22:16:46
August 02 2016 22:16 GMT
#14944
Crap like that is why I mostly program as a hobby although I've been thinking of legitimately going into the industry lately. But you just scared me Manitou
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17845 Posts
August 02 2016 22:18 GMT
#14945
On August 03 2016 07:16 TheEmulator wrote:
Crap like that is why I mostly program as a hobby although I've been thinking of legitimately going into the industry lately. But you just scared me Manitou


Working with legacy software is hell. I can tell you that much...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 02 2016 22:19 GMT
#14946
On August 03 2016 07:16 TheEmulator wrote:
Crap like that is why I mostly program as a hobby although I've been thinking of legitimately going into the industry lately. But you just scared me Manitou

It's definitely not all like that.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 02 2016 22:20 GMT
#14947
On August 03 2016 07:19 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 07:16 TheEmulator wrote:
Crap like that is why I mostly program as a hobby although I've been thinking of legitimately going into the industry lately. But you just scared me Manitou

It's definitely not all like that.

Yea I know. I'm only being half serious with my post.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 02 2016 22:26 GMT
#14948
Well Manit0u, at least you fixed it! But yea, I hate waste, do people like just go in and start writing now a days w.o a plan? Lol...
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
August 02 2016 23:14 GMT
#14949
You definitely need code reviews.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 00:18:18
August 03 2016 00:14 GMT
#14950
On August 03 2016 08:14 Shield wrote:
You definitely need code reviews.


Definitely. I simply don't understand how people can not care at all. I mean, I know that you can fix the issue by just adding "||1" to the if condition, but why do it this way and get people mad later down the line?

We seriously need more people like Matt Patterson (and I need more Ruby, I'm in love with it right now).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 03 2016 00:26 GMT
#14951
Being a Ruby on Rails developer would be fairly chill tbh.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 03 2016 00:41 GMT
#14952
NO! Learn Python, the market is asking for more Python developers all the sudden. As for RoR, the syntax and conventions are bizarre, if someone else need to pickup the RoR app it's overkill... Python on the other hand, is very similar to JS, Java, and some what C++
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 03 2016 00:50 GMT
#14953
Well I've never used Ruby/RoR before, it just looks like it has a strong community and lots of opportunites. My main language is Python and I've messed around with Django a bit so if that's on the up I guess I'm in a good spot.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 00:53:43
August 03 2016 00:53 GMT
#14954
Actually, thinking about it, my company is currently looking for a Data Engineer (1-3 years of software dev experience, 1+ year of heavy data sets experience). If anybody is interested, send me a PM!
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
August 03 2016 03:29 GMT
#14955
Out of curiosity what are heavy data sets? Do you just mean like 50% of your job experience should have been data sets? Where can I read more about how data sets apply to modern software? I learned about them in school, but I've never really seen them mentioned much outside of it.

Also, you should mention where you are located. America vs. Turkey is a big difference.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 03 2016 04:24 GMT
#14956
Just large databases - usually meta data, info on users, being able to create reports out of these data sets. Also location doesn't matter - I mean preferably in the U.S, but location really doesn't matter as long as you have the skills.
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
August 03 2016 04:41 GMT
#14957
I don't fit your criteria either way but that sounds super interesting! I was thinking of looking into that a while ago. Do you recommend any specific books?
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
kanu_knl
Profile Joined July 2008
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 07:25:57
August 03 2016 07:25 GMT
#14958
Hi, I am building a database for a non-profit school and is looking for mysql hosting companies. Do you know any good one? Thanks alot.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17845 Posts
August 03 2016 08:16 GMT
#14959
On August 03 2016 16:25 kanu_knl wrote:
Hi, I am building a database for a non-profit school and is looking for mysql hosting companies. Do you know any good one? Thanks alot.


Just use Amazon AWS?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 03 2016 16:18 GMT
#14960
On August 03 2016 16:25 kanu_knl wrote:
Hi, I am building a database for a non-profit school and is looking for mysql hosting companies. Do you know any good one? Thanks alot.


Namecheap.com - It's good enough for starting, they sponsor TL, and are decently priced for nonprofit to maintain.
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