• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:43
CET 22:43
KST 06:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)38
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1638 users

The Big Programming Thread - Page 743

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 741 742 743 744 745 1032 Next
Thread Rules
1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
July 20 2016 08:47 GMT
#14841
--- Nuked ---
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
July 20 2016 08:57 GMT
#14842
Browser JS can be fine if you're just doing some small work with it. As soon as you start using more than 200 lines of it then it becomes a shitfest.

Also, why would anyone use Java when you can use Scala which is like 10x better and gives you access to all of Java?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
July 20 2016 11:36 GMT
#14843
On July 20 2016 15:29 Manit0u wrote:
I've learned something funny today: Java and JavaScript, the two languages that have probably the most job offerings in the world are the two languages I hate working with the most...

No matter how hard I try to convince myself to just let go and dive into them I can't help but be repelled by them

I must say I find it quite odd since I don't really mind working with any other language I know (and that includes PHP) but J and JS somehow elicit a strongly aversive reaction in me.

I just hope I'm not alone in this one

I like java. Its not perfect, there are plenty of things I would love to see changed (and I know its never going to happen) but overall its a solid language with many advantages. I much prefer it over C#, C++ and C. I like Javas simplicity and openess.


On July 20 2016 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:
Never worked with Java but I hate JS so much. From what I've seen I'd hate Java too

They have absolutely nothing in common. JS is just called that to cash in on the success of java but its a completely different language.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 12:19:07
July 20 2016 12:18 GMT
#14844
On July 20 2016 17:57 Manit0u wrote:
Browser JS can be fine if you're just doing some small work with it. As soon as you start using more than 200 lines of it then it becomes a shitfest.

Also, why would anyone use Java when you can use Scala which is like 10x better and gives you access to all of Java?

Scala is a wonderful little thing and I should learn it asap.

EDIT: 10x better? Even preproduction Kotlin is 10x better, Scala is much better than 10x.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19191 Posts
July 20 2016 12:38 GMT
#14845
ES6 is a huge step in the right direction for JS, even if it's still bleh

But I enjoy using it wayyyyy more than Java. Java is dumb like wordpress
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
July 20 2016 14:18 GMT
#14846
Did you guys try Kotlin yet? I'm still a Java / everything noob but it seems to be more fun doing Android with it.
Liquipedia
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 20 2016 14:21 GMT
#14847
On July 18 2016 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:

Ehh, the problem with Mithril, it still seems to be filled with a bit more issues, but you can definitely look into it Manit0u.

Oh yeah ? Can you elaborate ?
In a similar sort of lightweight framework, Mercury seems interesting as well, but its documentation seems to be lacking compared to Mithril. Once I have time and a project idea I'll have to try one of these.

On the topic of Java huh, I can 't say I hate it but it's not very enjoyable imo. Way too verbose and rigid imo.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
July 20 2016 15:09 GMT
#14848
On July 20 2016 23:21 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:

Ehh, the problem with Mithril, it still seems to be filled with a bit more issues, but you can definitely look into it Manit0u.

On the topic of Java huh, I can 't say I hate it but it's not very enjoyable imo. Way too verbose and rigid imo.

Then better dont try C#. If you think java is verbose you are not going to have a good time with C# at all.
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
July 20 2016 16:10 GMT
#14849
On July 21 2016 00:09 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 23:21 -Zoda- wrote:
On July 18 2016 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:

Ehh, the problem with Mithril, it still seems to be filled with a bit more issues, but you can definitely look into it Manit0u.

On the topic of Java huh, I can 't say I hate it but it's not very enjoyable imo. Way too verbose and rigid imo.

Then better dont try C#. If you think java is verbose you are not going to have a good time with C# at all.


Not my experience at all. Do you have any concrete examples?
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28096 Posts
July 20 2016 18:05 GMT
#14850
On July 20 2016 20:36 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 15:29 Manit0u wrote:
I've learned something funny today: Java and JavaScript, the two languages that have probably the most job offerings in the world are the two languages I hate working with the most...

No matter how hard I try to convince myself to just let go and dive into them I can't help but be repelled by them

I must say I find it quite odd since I don't really mind working with any other language I know (and that includes PHP) but J and JS somehow elicit a strongly aversive reaction in me.

I just hope I'm not alone in this one

I like java. Its not perfect, there are plenty of things I would love to see changed (and I know its never going to happen) but overall its a solid language with many advantages. I much prefer it over C#, C++ and C. I like Javas simplicity and openess.


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:
Never worked with Java but I hate JS so much. From what I've seen I'd hate Java too

They have absolutely nothing in common. JS is just called that to cash in on the success of java but its a completely different language.

hmm, what part of my post implied that I think they have something in common? I
Administrator
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 19:02:10
July 20 2016 18:58 GMT
#14851
C# is great as a language imo but I'm not enjoying the windows eco system so It'd be great if there's full Linux support at some point, it's gotten a lot better though. As someone above pointed out Java is just horribly verbose. I had to do a lot of Java in college and had to either use Apache Commons or just copy the same things over and over again because I always forgot how the syntax for a BufferedReader works. It takes a bazillion lines of code to read in a textfile : (
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 19:31:32
July 20 2016 19:29 GMT
#14852
On July 21 2016 01:10 Fwmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 00:09 RoomOfMush wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:21 -Zoda- wrote:
On July 18 2016 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:

Ehh, the problem with Mithril, it still seems to be filled with a bit more issues, but you can definitely look into it Manit0u.

On the topic of Java huh, I can 't say I hate it but it's not very enjoyable imo. Way too verbose and rigid imo.

Then better dont try C#. If you think java is verbose you are not going to have a good time with C# at all.


Not my experience at all. Do you have any concrete examples?

I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?

Or the fact you need to write "override" in front of a method that overrides another. I can see how this might help some people understand the code better, but we've got IDE's for that without having to write anything. Besides, you can do the same thing in java with the optional @Overrides annotation if you want to have compile-time warnings.

Its many similar little things like that. C# just seems to have way more syntax keywords which you need to use at certain points for no obvious reason.

On July 21 2016 03:05 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 20:36 RoomOfMush wrote:
On July 20 2016 15:29 Manit0u wrote:
I've learned something funny today: Java and JavaScript, the two languages that have probably the most job offerings in the world are the two languages I hate working with the most...

No matter how hard I try to convince myself to just let go and dive into them I can't help but be repelled by them

I must say I find it quite odd since I don't really mind working with any other language I know (and that includes PHP) but J and JS somehow elicit a strongly aversive reaction in me.

I just hope I'm not alone in this one

I like java. Its not perfect, there are plenty of things I would love to see changed (and I know its never going to happen) but overall its a solid language with many advantages. I much prefer it over C#, C++ and C. I like Javas simplicity and openess.


On July 20 2016 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:
Never worked with Java but I hate JS so much. From what I've seen I'd hate Java too

They have absolutely nothing in common. JS is just called that to cash in on the success of java but its a completely different language.

hmm, what part of my post implied that I think they have something in common? I

It seemed to me that way but I guess I misunderstood you.


On July 21 2016 03:58 Nyxisto wrote:
C# is great as a language imo but I'm not enjoying the windows eco system so It'd be great if there's full Linux support at some point, it's gotten a lot better though. As someone above pointed out Java is just horribly verbose. I had to do a lot of Java in college and had to either use Apache Commons or just copy the same things over and over again because I always forgot how the syntax for a BufferedReader works. It takes a bazillion lines of code to read in a textfile : (

Its actually quite simple:
		try {
Path filePath = new File("test.txt").toPath();
List<String> linesOfText = Files.readAllLines(filePath);
} catch (IOException e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
Prillan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 21:30:12
July 20 2016 21:29 GMT
#14853
On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?


It really is a minor thing.

On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
Or the fact you need to write "override" in front of a method that overrides another. I can see how this might help some people understand the code better, but we've got IDE's for that without having to write anything. Besides, you can do the same thing in java with the optional @Overrides annotation if you want to have compile-time warnings.


It's not just there to tell the dev that the function is overridden. Without it the method just hides the old one, which is different from overriding it.

(This was true last time I wrote C#, which was version 3.0 I believe, they had just introduced lambda expressions.)
TheBB's sidekick, aligulac.com | "Reality is frequently inaccurate." - Douglas Adams
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 07:08:52
July 21 2016 07:07 GMT
#14854
Not having an @Overrides makes it much more difficult to tell what's going on under the hood, if you're trying to read code. Hidden magic will burn you.

Proper java should have lint set up to require @Overrides


If you're writing any significant amount of Java you should also be using good libraries, e.g. Guava. Save yourself a lot of headache.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 07:18:07
July 21 2016 07:16 GMT
#14855
On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?


The same in Scala:

// foreach
collection.foreach { /*doStuff*/ }

// for
for (obj <- collection) { /*doStuff*/ }


Syntax is syntax. Java's verbosity comes not from syntax but from incrediblyLongAndUnnecessarilySoClassAndMethodNames.

Also, XML (yuck!).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 21 2016 07:50 GMT
#14856
On July 21 2016 16:16 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?


The same in Scala:

// foreach
collection.foreach { /*doStuff*/ }

// for
for (obj <- collection) { /*doStuff*/ }


Syntax is syntax. Java's verbosity comes not from syntax but from incrediblyLongAndUnnecessarilySoClassAndMethodNames.

Also, XML (yuck!).


The same in actually modern C#
list.ForEach(item => item.DoStuff());

Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 21 2016 13:38 GMT
#14857
On July 21 2016 16:50 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 16:16 Manit0u wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?


The same in Scala:

// foreach
collection.foreach { /*doStuff*/ }

// for
for (obj <- collection) { /*doStuff*/ }


Syntax is syntax. Java's verbosity comes not from syntax but from incrediblyLongAndUnnecessarilySoClassAndMethodNames.

Also, XML (yuck!).


The same in actually modern C#
list.ForEach(item => item.DoStuff());


The same in actually modern Java:
list.forEach(item -> item.doStuff());


"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
July 21 2016 15:00 GMT
#14858
This thread is the best on TL
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 21 2016 16:56 GMT
#14859
On July 21 2016 16:16 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am talking about all the additional syntax. A for-each loop in java:
for (Object obj : collection) {/*doStuff*/}

The same in C#
foreach (Object obj in collection) {/*doStuff*/}

Its a minor thing, but why is it there in the first place?


The same in Scala:

// foreach
collection.foreach { /*doStuff*/ }

// for
for (obj <- collection) { /*doStuff*/ }


Syntax is syntax. Java's verbosity comes not from syntax but from incrediblyLongAndUnnecessarilySoClassAndMethodNames.

Also, XML (yuck!).


Verbosity is good as long as it's not abused. You should really read Clean Code before you go further with this discussion.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 21 2016 17:36 GMT
#14860
Are Microsoft SQL Server skills (including T-SQL obv) valuable and future-secure?
Prev 1 741 742 743 744 745 1032 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech37
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 296
Dota 2
BeoMulf15
Counter-Strike
fl0m2310
minikerr13
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu546
Other Games
summit1g3334
Grubby2645
FrodaN1967
tarik_tv1116
mouzStarbuck266
ToD262
ArmadaUGS166
C9.Mang0156
QueenE129
Mew2King101
Dewaltoss83
Livibee59
KnowMe37
Liquid`Ken1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 53
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile1110
• StrangeGG 87
• Adnapsc2 14
• Hupsaiya 4
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 46
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5242
• imaqtpie2242
• TFBlade1092
• Shiphtur368
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
14h 17m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 5h
HomeStory Cup
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-28
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Proleague 2026-01-29
Rongyi Cup S3
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.