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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17793 Posts
July 23 2015 11:53 GMT
#13041
On July 23 2015 20:18 sabas123 wrote:
No love for asp .net?


I'd rather stay with PHP
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 23 2015 13:46 GMT
#13042
On July 23 2015 17:24 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 14:53 Sufficiency wrote:
So far so good....!

[image loading]

I think I'll do a bit more Flask for now.


Will your app be called HAL by any means?


Maybe....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17793 Posts
July 23 2015 13:55 GMT
#13043
On July 23 2015 22:46 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 17:24 Manit0u wrote:
On July 22 2015 14:53 Sufficiency wrote:
So far so good....!

[image loading]

I think I'll do a bit more Flask for now.


Will your app be called HAL by any means?


Maybe....


Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
bangsholt
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark138 Posts
July 23 2015 15:33 GMT
#13044
On July 23 2015 20:18 sabas123 wrote:
No love for asp .net?


Lots of love from ASP.Net here. After they went open source, MVC and Web API has become very, very pleasant to work with, as well as easy to extend where needed - and the official documentation is by far the best I've seen around.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 23 2015 16:18 GMT
#13045
i need to write a short fast essay on "An essay studying the current attacks on Web security , for example Web privacy attacks" , anyone throw something out there? i just need like 2 marks out of 15
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
July 23 2015 18:10 GMT
#13046
On July 24 2015 01:18 FFGenerations wrote:
i need to write a short fast essay on "An essay studying the current attacks on Web security , for example Web privacy attacks" , anyone throw something out there? i just need like 2 marks out of 15


For inspiration, here is a link to the blackhat schedule: https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/briefings.html
and a link to the defcon schedule: https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-23/dc-23-schedule.html


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This will be my fifth year at defcon, anyone else going?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17793 Posts
July 23 2015 20:00 GMT
#13047
On July 24 2015 01:18 FFGenerations wrote:
i need to write a short fast essay on "An essay studying the current attacks on Web security , for example Web privacy attacks" , anyone throw something out there? i just need like 2 marks out of 15


How about the Amplified DDoS attack?

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 20:16:11
July 23 2015 20:13 GMT
#13048
thanks guys ill check it out

i also have to write.... at least 40 marks (out of 100) on "Quality of Service and the Internet of Things"

ill just google , catch some keywords and try to compile and flesh out some stuff under headings i guess. what a crock of shit

got about 14 hours to do it (plus another assignment for 40 marks but i think thats less bullshit and more straight forward one)

actually tnx for reminding me i can probs youtube and get more straight forward source
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18375 Posts
July 23 2015 22:04 GMT
#13049
On July 24 2015 05:13 FFGenerations wrote:
thanks guys ill check it out

i also have to write.... at least 40 marks (out of 100) on "Quality of Service and the Internet of Things"

ill just google , catch some keywords and try to compile and flesh out some stuff under headings i guess. what a crock of shit

got about 14 hours to do it (plus another assignment for 40 marks but i think thats less bullshit and more straight forward one)

actually tnx for reminding me i can probs youtube and get more straight forward source

Why are you continuously half-assing your studies?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 23 2015 23:11 GMT
#13050
coz i dont give a shit about this stuff obviously
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 23:27:51
July 23 2015 23:22 GMT
#13051
Is anyone a game developer? How easy is it for Blizzard to switch from DirectX 9 to 11 or 12 in StarCraft 2? I'm surprised they ignore 2+ cores after 5 years.

On July 24 2015 08:11 FFGenerations wrote:
coz i dont give a shit about this stuff obviously


Your overall mark depends on that though. Employers care about your degree's mark, especially when you have no experience in industry and you just begin to work. This isn't the era of Bill Gates when you get a job like that with mediocre or no degree.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17793 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 01:13:54
July 24 2015 01:10 GMT
#13052
On July 24 2015 08:22 darkness wrote:
Is anyone a game developer? How easy is it for Blizzard to switch from DirectX 9 to 11 or 12 in StarCraft 2? I'm surprised they ignore 2+ cores after 5 years.

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On July 24 2015 08:11 FFGenerations wrote:
coz i dont give a shit about this stuff obviously


Your overall mark depends on that though. Employers care about your degree's mark, especially when you have no experience in industry and you just begin to work. This isn't the era of Bill Gates when you get a job like that with mediocre or no degree.


I believe that usually games are built around presumption that they have to run on systems 3-5+ years old (and not top of the line systems, so most graphic cards that support newest shaders and DX stuff are off). At the release of WoL it would be Windows Vista at the most. It's too much effort to re-design your game engine after that with a project this big I guess.

I think it also comes down to your basic application design and potential scaling. Take AquaNox 2 for example. It's a game released in 2003 but even without any updates its engine allows you to play it in 1080p out of the box (quite a feat for that time, considering how it took Blizzard a year to allow 800x600 resolution in Diablo 2 just 2 years earlier).

Another thing worthy of note is Trine (2009). They've released it's Enchanted Edition in 2014 and updated the game engine completely (even upping the one for Trine 2, which came out in 2011, now both run on the same engine). But it's not a game on the same scale as SC2 (although, to its benefit, Trine is multi-platform, including the consoles).

@FFGenerations:

If you don't care about this stuff then why do you even do it? You don't need a degree to get a job in programming...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 24 2015 01:56 GMT
#13053
When I half-assed my studies, it was because I hated the assignments and random homework (and, frankly, because I bit off more courses than I could chew in my later years). But I loved the stuff we were learning about.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 03:51:26
July 24 2015 03:30 GMT
#13054
idk why, there is very little point to my life up until this point lol

well i finished two of the works, there's 2 more to go. i think i just need to do 1 of them and i'll get accredited (will probably be a 3rd in that case). if not accredited then "without honors" degree. if i do both (and manage to get 40 in both but i'm doubtful about one of them!!) then it'll go up to a 2-2.

really my life is one long shitty rollercoaster of pointlessness

ill take the next 2 weeks or 4 doing some hardcore project then put a new CV up.

i know having a 2-1 is super important if you want an easy ride into a job but whatever. i spent the last job (phone) interview with the guy telling me off for saying i want only 16k lol. i did get a pretty strong impression that they dont give a shit about your degree and actually dont give a shit that you have basically zero experience. i really got the impression that they just want you to have done 1 thing pretty well , so the next few weeks i will do 1 relevant thing really well and be pretty confident about getting a job with that in the bag

btw on that phone interview he told me to describe OO .... man i am bad at trying to explain something like that...... i even watched some youtube videos beforehand and googled trying to get coherent definitions that i could recite.... honestly i sounded like a massive autist, it was awful. (i sounded pretty OK tho when i answered what the differences between sql joins are tho since i was a pro and looked it up beforehand lol)

couldnt i just have said "its a way of modelling a system by breaking it down into objects that interact with one another" or something like that? maybe i tried to overthink it and came up with nothing. almost like how if someone asks u to describe dancing and you start saying something like "well first u put one of ur legs forwards....."

look i am literally 10 hours away from graduating university after 6 years at 4 different establishments over like 12 years

if i cud turn back time i'd become a musician or artist tbh
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 24 2015 05:28 GMT
#13055
Where do you live, FFGenerations? 16k sounds like peanuts compared to what you'd get here.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 24 2015 05:37 GMT
#13056
uk
im used to minimum wage jobs so idc how much i get paid
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 24 2015 06:22 GMT
#13057
Frankly, asking for 16k basically says that you think your skills are completely worthless. At least know what the average for a position is in your country, and ask for a bit lower than that if you're desperate for work.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 24 2015 06:37 GMT
#13058
A quick google suggests entry level is ~23k pounds per year. If you haven't got good grades/no good experience/think you're genuinely useless compared to other entry level programmers then ask for like 20k otherwise just shoot for 23k+.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 24 2015 07:55 GMT
#13059
i did get a pretty strong impression that they dont give a shit about your degree and actually dont give a shit that you have basically zero experience. i really got the impression that they just want you to have done 1 thing pretty well


i've generally found examples of prior work and/or public code to be better indicators of overall level of skill than going purely by degrees in interviews. this is especially true when the candidate in question has zero experience or is entry level.

having a strong project in your belt that you can point companies to will put you ahead of peers that don't.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 24 2015 09:10 GMT
#13060
well im officially the slowest essay writer ever

im gonna have a shower and go to the office and see if i can get away with not handing in the last one (well i wont be able to get 40 marks in it now anyway im too slow) .

i think my uni lets me dodge the worst grade so long as i get 40% overall even if i fail a unit (i will get 20+40/2= 30 for 1 unit at this rate) so whatever it doesnt even matter if i do it hopefully

heres some random "essay" stuff for you lol

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Web Security
The earliest distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks reach back to the year 2000 when the internet was still in its infancy and even multinational organisations were unfamiliar with ways to protect themselves. A young Canadian nicknamed “mafiaboy” was able to disrupt the services of Amazon and Ebay causing an estimated over $1B in damages and bringing “cybercrime” to the forefront of attention (Michael Dennis, n.d.).
Fourteen years later systems still remain vulnerable to attacks, with Sony’s Playstation Network suffering a 48 hour downtime last year when an organised botnet group saturated login servers with fake traffic.
A common method of mitigating attacks is “blackholing” incoming requests when suspicious network activity is detected, but events like Sony are evident of an increasing sophistication in DDoS methods and a need for new techniques for companies to stay ahead of the game (Jason Schreier, 2014).
Although home users are far more capable these days at protecting themselves from becoming effected by Trojans and having their machines turned remotely into malicious bots, the “explosive” growth of internet speeds across the globe has lent to a huge increase in the power and prevalence of “brute force” DDoSing.
Fortunately this growth has benefitted DDoS protection services also, allowing companies to utilise the vast scale of cloud services to dampen and filter incoming requests during attacks and maintain normal operations. The cost of this protection and the expertise to install it does however take a toll.
More advanced DDoS protection comes in the form of application layer defences which rely on the ability to “accurately profile incoming traffic – to distinguish between humans, human-like bots and hijacked web browsers”. Incapsula, a web security service, describe how they utilise a multi-tier system that scans various attributes such as HTTP headers in order to filter human users and “good bots” (e.g. search engines) from suspicious traffic that fails to pass what they refer to as a “set of transparent challenges” (Eldad Chai, 2013).
Ultimately it looks as though DDoS is something here to stay and continues to be a cost – or a risk – that all online services have to put up with.


REFERENCES
Eldad Chai. (2013). Incapsula's Five-Ring Approach to Application Layer Protection. Available: https://www.incapsula.com/blog/application-layer-7-ddos-protection.html. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Jason Schreier. (2014). How DDoS Attacks Work, And Why They're So Hard To Stop. Available: http://kotaku.com/how-ddos-attacks-work-and-why-theyre-so-hard-to-stop-1676445620. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Michael Dennis. (n.d.). Denial of service attack. Available: http://www.britannica.com/topic/denial-of-service-attack. Last accessed June 27th 2015.

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Comparing MQTT with a competing protocol
RESTful HTTP is inarguably one of the foremost web service architectures to date, utilising stateless client-server communication to pass HTTP messages between countless network devices ranging from mobile applications to your everyday desktop computer. Robust and logical, REST is known for being the leading standard that all developers are familiar with and hence is a go-to architecture for application development. However, with the modern proliferation of lightweight network devices and the need for faster, better technology we are seeing a rapid emergence of competitors to RESTful HTTP.
MQTT (Message Queuing Telemetry Transport) is one such competitor. Describing itself as “simple and lightweight”, MQTT began development in the 1990s and lately found its way into the limelight as the protocol for Facebook’s personal messaging system, subsequently being commended by a review by Verizon Wireless with “5 stars for security, 5 stars for battery and 4 stars for bandwidth” (Mobilebit, 2013).
Whereas HTTP was created as a request-response service through which devices communicate by exchanging messages directly, MQTT was designed with fragile, low latency networks in mind using a technique called publish/subscribe which allows communication between subscriber groups rather than individuals and has a focus on performance and scalability at the cost of being able to directly access members of the group (Wikipedia, n.d.).
In real-world terms, a publish-subscribe device is able to very quickly broadcast a message to its subscribers. It needn’t confirm the existence of its subscribers, nor does it need to handshake with them as we would see in a slower, conventional HTTP connection; it simply broadcasts its message and the recipients will access the broadcast as soon as they are able to.
Some disadvantages of this style of protocol do exist. Firstly, it may not be immediately clear to the publisher of a message when or if his message has been received. Secondly, a fast publisher of messages may overwhelm a slow subscriber (for example, imagine turning your phone on and getting 20 text messages in a row). Thirdly, and especially in the case where there are many subscribers, there is no control over the order in which messages are received by the subscribers. If message order is important then some additional service may have to exist in order to establish some degree of control (c2.com, n.d.).
Nevertheless, the advantages provided by MQTT over HTTP with regards to lightweight mobile devices are substantial. “In a mobile environment, response times, throughput, lower battery use and lower bandwidth” are all critical concerns and MQTT “uses less power to maintain an open connection, to receive messages and to send them and does these more quickly and more reliably” (Kathleen Holm, 2012).
Further advantages of MQTT are in development, with a non-TCP protocol being released in the form of MQTT-SN for the super-small network devices that cannot afford TCP/IP capabilities (Stefan Roth, 2014). Zigbee, a “wireless language that everyday devices use to connect to one another” is another such possibility of marriage between existing systems to bring MQTT out ahead of HTTP (Karl Miller, 2013).
It isn’t quite the end for HTTP yet however. In early 2015 the specification of HTTP/2 was published and debate has already begun as to how it will be compete in the market sector with MQTT. A recent blogger explained that although MQTT is smaller “on the wire”, extremely reliable and easier to implement, the new features of HTTP/2 could eventually catch up and prove better still (Tim Kellogg, 2015).

REFERENCES
c2.com. (2009). Publish Subscribe Model. Available: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PublishSubscribeModel. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Mobilebit. (2013). REST is for sleeping. MQTT is for mobile. Available: https://mobilebit.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/rest-is-for-sleeping-mqtt-is-for-mobile/. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Karl Miller. (2013). What about Zigbee?. Available: https://github.com/knolleary/pubsubclient/issues/26. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Kathleen Holm. (2012). Using MQTT Protocol Advantages Over HTTP in Mobile Application Development. Available: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/sowhatfordevs/entry/using_mqtt_protocol_advantages_over_http_in_mobile_application_development5?lang=en. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Stefan Roth. (2014). IoT for tiny devices: Let’s talk MQTT-SN.Available: http://blog.zuehlke.com/en/iot-for-tiny-devices-lets-talk-mqtt-sn/. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Tim Kellogg. (2015). Can HTTP/2 Replace MQTT?. Available: http://timkellogg.me/blog/2015/02/20/can-http2-replace-mqtt/. Last accessed 27th June 2015.
Wikipedia. (n.d.). Publish–subscribe pattern. Available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publish–subscribe_pattern. Last accessed 27th June 2015.

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