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1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
March 19 2015 05:05 GMT
#12121
Normally I would take things that Michael Church says with a huge grain of salt, but I actually agree with most of his main points there. If your aim to go to a startup is to make lots of money, it is on average a losing gamble.

On March 18 2015 17:16 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 16:57 Aerisky wrote:
Ah really? I'd always heard that by working in a startup vs a larger company, you get more exposure to more technologies and tasks, as opposed to being a small gear in a big machine and whatnot. It definitely makes sense that it'll be harder for people working in startups to find time to mentor/provide instruction as much though. And yeah I'm really excited!


...

Larger companies have their established technologies and introducing new technologies or methods is a long process at the end of which there is already a newer, better method or technology available, so you have to work with ancient code that went through a dozen hands, but since larger companies are usually under less financial pressure, the need to get it done yesterday is lower and you can take your time and try to write your code properly, just like the 12 people that worked on the code before you and all thought they wrote it properly - from their point of view.


Just like startups, larger companies also vary quite a lot. Some are more keen on using more cutting edge technology (some are more keen on actually making said cutting edge technology and then using it), some are exactly what you describe. For example I can't even use java8 yet at work, still stuck on 7 (AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO STAB SOMEONE GRAHHHHH).

On March 18 2015 17:16 Morfildur wrote:

Also, larger companies are usually 9-5 with little risk of overtime, startups can be 9-9 every day because you have to get stuff out of the door quickly so the company starts to make money.


Again, this is usually the case, but not always. For example Amazon is not a small company, but get into a few oncall shifts as a developer on a less-than-solid team and 9-5 won't be your day :\
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands681 Posts
March 19 2015 07:38 GMT
#12122
On March 19 2015 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 07:00 Manit0u wrote:
On March 19 2015 03:05 Aerisky wrote:
Ahh I see Morfildur, thanks! That does make a lot of sense, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting to work, as harrowing as it might sound haha. Long days of writing crazy amounts of code definitely sounds pretty interesting and exciting (until it isn't, but in general it sounds fun).


Think more in terms of looking at code for hours trying to figure out how could someone possibly mess this up so much...

And then figure out it's your own code from a couple of months back? :D


This. All the time
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
March 19 2015 09:17 GMT
#12123
Since we seem to be talking about careers, is anybody else there a uni student struggling to find summer jobs/internships?

I've realized how important extra-curricular projects are. I'm trying to graduate early so I've been overloading and concentrating on my academics at the expense of having time to pursue side projects. My GPA and school transcript are pretty good but all the employers and recruiters I've talked to want to see more side projects.

Also, some companies post ridiculous requirements for internship level jobs. Example:
+ Show Spoiler +
Required Skills

Proficiency in C/C++ and strong scripting skills in at least one common language (Python, Perl, Shell).
Familiarity with National Instrument Testing Software (LabView, TestStand, VeriStand).
Experience designing and developing complex power electronics control systems including AC-DC and DC-DC converter topologies.
Experience designing real-time embedded systems in C.
Experience with CAN bus systems and associated tools.
Familiarity with automotive ECUs, especially those in hybrid and electric powertrains.
Experience with FPGA/CPLD device programming.
Ability to read and interpret electrical schematics and work efficiently with hardware design resources.
Capable of hands-on bring up, debug and code optimization.
Experience with DSPs, microcontrollers and realtime operating systems.
Familiarity with thermal control hardware, including compressors, pumps, and thermocouples are a plus.
Experience implementing real-time control strategies, especially PID based control development is a plus.
Familiarity with Vector analysis tools is a plus.
Prior AUTOSAR or other automotive RTOS embedded programming experience is a plus.

Is it realistic for a company to expect a student applying for an internship to have that much specialized knowledge?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-19 13:01:05
March 19 2015 12:59 GMT
#12124
On March 19 2015 18:17 madnessman wrote:
Since we seem to be talking about careers, is anybody else there a uni student struggling to find summer jobs/internships?

I've realized how important extra-curricular projects are. I'm trying to graduate early so I've been overloading and concentrating on my academics at the expense of having time to pursue side projects. My GPA and school transcript are pretty good but all the employers and recruiters I've talked to want to see more side projects.

Also, some companies post ridiculous requirements for internship level jobs. Example:
+ Show Spoiler +
Required Skills

Proficiency in C/C++ and strong scripting skills in at least one common language (Python, Perl, Shell).
Familiarity with National Instrument Testing Software (LabView, TestStand, VeriStand).
Experience designing and developing complex power electronics control systems including AC-DC and DC-DC converter topologies.
Experience designing real-time embedded systems in C.
Experience with CAN bus systems and associated tools.
Familiarity with automotive ECUs, especially those in hybrid and electric powertrains.
Experience with FPGA/CPLD device programming.
Ability to read and interpret electrical schematics and work efficiently with hardware design resources.
Capable of hands-on bring up, debug and code optimization.
Experience with DSPs, microcontrollers and realtime operating systems.
Familiarity with thermal control hardware, including compressors, pumps, and thermocouples are a plus.
Experience implementing real-time control strategies, especially PID based control development is a plus.
Familiarity with Vector analysis tools is a plus.
Prior AUTOSAR or other automotive RTOS embedded programming experience is a plus.

Is it realistic for a company to expect a student applying for an internship to have that much specialized knowledge?

Wow this is fucking huge. On the other hand, 75% of this is basically what you always will see. When I graduated, I had the following stuff among these:

Proficiency in C/C++ and strong scripting skills in at least one common language (Python, Perl, Shell).
Experience designing real-time embedded systems in C.
Experience with FPGA/CPLD device programming.
Ability to read and interpret electrical schematics and work efficiently with hardware design resources.
Capable of hands-on bring up, debug and code optimization.
Experience with/* DSPs,*/ microcontrollers and realtime operating systems.
Experience implementing real-time control strategies, especially PID based control development is a plus.

Which is ~50%ish. I had other skills that weren't listed here but resume-wise I wasn't that big of a deal either. You WILL see stupid stuff like this, but don't let it bother you.

P.S: I would apply for this. I don't think the company is looking for someone who matches all these stuff either.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18194 Posts
March 19 2015 13:26 GMT
#12125
On March 19 2015 18:17 madnessman wrote:
Since we seem to be talking about careers, is anybody else there a uni student struggling to find summer jobs/internships?

I've realized how important extra-curricular projects are. I'm trying to graduate early so I've been overloading and concentrating on my academics at the expense of having time to pursue side projects. My GPA and school transcript are pretty good but all the employers and recruiters I've talked to want to see more side projects.

Also, some companies post ridiculous requirements for internship level jobs. Example:
+ Show Spoiler +
Required Skills

Proficiency in C/C++ and strong scripting skills in at least one common language (Python, Perl, Shell).
Familiarity with National Instrument Testing Software (LabView, TestStand, VeriStand).
Experience designing and developing complex power electronics control systems including AC-DC and DC-DC converter topologies.
Experience designing real-time embedded systems in C.
Experience with CAN bus systems and associated tools.
Familiarity with automotive ECUs, especially those in hybrid and electric powertrains.
Experience with FPGA/CPLD device programming.
Ability to read and interpret electrical schematics and work efficiently with hardware design resources.
Capable of hands-on bring up, debug and code optimization.
Experience with DSPs, microcontrollers and realtime operating systems.
Familiarity with thermal control hardware, including compressors, pumps, and thermocouples are a plus.
Experience implementing real-time control strategies, especially PID based control development is a plus.
Familiarity with Vector analysis tools is a plus.
Prior AUTOSAR or other automotive RTOS embedded programming experience is a plus.

Is it realistic for a company to expect a student applying for an internship to have that much specialized knowledge?


Read the link a couple of posts above yours: if you can program FizzBuzz the rest will be fine. Also, unless you're looking specifically for something in embedded systems, most internship jobs won't have such strong requirements on the electrical engineering side of things. We have a place for an intern open right now. Honestly, our main requirement is that he is willing to do all the shitty programming tasks that we don't want to waste time on ourselves, but need to be done regardless (don't tell my boss I phrased it that way)! Of course, this is phrased as "an exciting opportunity to work on an industry research project shaping the technology of the future" or something equally cockamamy
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17614 Posts
March 19 2015 13:38 GMT
#12126
On March 19 2015 10:49 obesechicken13 wrote:
Saw this yesterday. Might have been from this thread

https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/

Personally I don't think I have the skills to be a founder so it'd take more time to learn all the frameworks and set up things like node. It's also more risk. But is there a point to joining a startup just as people stop being paid with equity?


Perhaps you can luck out like I did as I joined a small company that was doing websites/saas for startups (90% of our projects were for startups, 10% were highly priced software for big, established companies and government). You get all the startup perks (small and dedicated team, doing stuff from scratch instead of fixing someone elses broken code etc.) as well as established company perks (low risk, job stability etc.).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-19 18:29:11
March 19 2015 18:28 GMT
#12127
Edit: I sorta misread what you meant, my bad
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 02:36:56
March 20 2015 01:09 GMT
#12128
working on visualizating structure of class templates,
still buggy but some familiar ones work fine:

template<
      class T,
      class Allocator = std::allocator<T>
> class vector;

template<
      class CharT,
      class Traits = std::char_traits<CharT>,
      class Allocator = std::allocator<CharT>
> class basic_string;


source:
int 
main()
{
std::cout
<<"\n"<<tout::to_string<std::vector<int>>()<<"\n"
<<"\n"<<tout::to_string<std::string>()<<"\n";
}


output:

std::vector<int>:
vector____________
| |
int allocator
|
int

std::string:
string______________________________________
| | |
char char_traits allocator
| |
char char


i hope tl doesn't mess up the formatting i had to work so hard for with std::cout.
will add source when done swatting the bugs.

+ Show Spoiler [bahaha] +

template<class...> struct www{};
template<class...> struct dot{};
template<class...> struct t{};
template<class...> struct e{};
template<class...> struct a{};
template<class...> struct m{};
template<class...> struct l{};
template<class...> struct i{};
template<class...> struct q{};
template<class...> struct u{};
template<class...> struct d{};
template<class...> struct net{};

int
main()
{
using type=
www<
dot<
t<>,
e<>,
a<>,
m<
l<>,
i<>,
q<>,
u<>,
i<>,
d<
dot<net<>>
>
>
>
>;
std::cout<<"\n"<<tout::to_string<type>()<<"\n";
}


www
|
dot____________
| | | |
t e a m________________________
| | | | | |
l i q u i d
|
dot
|
net

conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 20 2015 07:58 GMT
#12129
On March 19 2015 14:05 phar wrote:
For example I can't even use java8 yet at work, still stuck on 7 (AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO STAB SOMEONE GRAHHHHH).

Dude, I'm fucking stuck at java 6. If being stuck on java 7 at work makes you stab people, this would turn you into a mass murderer already.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17614 Posts
March 20 2015 09:28 GMT
#12130
I'm getting some weird SQL behaviour:


// where
':value BETWEEN :firstMonth AND :lastMonth'

// dumps
value = string('o.issuedAt')
firstMonth = string('2015-02-01')
lastMonth = string('2015-08-31')

// db field value
issued_at = 2015-03-20


The query yields no results... WTF?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 10:08:05
March 20 2015 10:06 GMT
#12131
On March 20 2015 18:28 Manit0u wrote:
I'm getting some weird SQL behaviour:


// where
':value BETWEEN :firstMonth AND :lastMonth'

// dumps
value = string('o.issuedAt')
firstMonth = string('2015-02-01')
lastMonth = string('2015-08-31')

// db field value
issued_at = 2015-03-20


The query yields no results... WTF?


Does it correctly interpret :value as the field, not the string o.issuedAt?

In cases like this, the error is usually not where it appears to be.

On March 20 2015 16:58 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 14:05 phar wrote:
For example I can't even use java8 yet at work, still stuck on 7 (AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO STAB SOMEONE GRAHHHHH).

Dude, I'm fucking stuck at java 6. If being stuck on java 7 at work makes you stab people, this would turn you into a mass murderer already.


That's cute. We have some PHP4 code that we can't get rid of and that occasionally comes back up for bugfixing or changes. I'm not touching that part of the code with a 10 foot pole.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
March 20 2015 10:25 GMT
#12132
Quick question for Javascript noob level.

I want to check if a string consists of numbers. If not I want to return false:
my shitty attempt so far


if(isNaN(thestring.value)=true){
alert("the string doesn't include numbers");
return false;
}
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 15:49:32
March 20 2015 11:29 GMT
#12133
On March 20 2015 19:25 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Quick question for Javascript noob level.

I want to check if a string consists of numbers. If not I want to return false:
my shitty attempt so far


if(isNaN(thestring.value)=true){
alert("the string doesn't include numbers");
return false;
}


return (isNaN(Number(thestring)));
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
March 20 2015 14:07 GMT
#12134
On March 20 2015 19:25 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Quick question for Javascript noob level.

I want to check if a string consists of numbers. If not I want to return false:
my shitty attempt so far


if(isNaN(thestring.value)=true){
alert("the string doesn't include numbers");
return false;
}


You are looking for parseInt
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17614 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 15:20:22
March 20 2015 15:18 GMT
#12135
On March 20 2015 19:06 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 18:28 Manit0u wrote:
I'm getting some weird SQL behaviour:


// where
':value BETWEEN :firstMonth AND :lastMonth'

// dumps
value = string('o.issuedAt')
firstMonth = string('2015-02-01')
lastMonth = string('2015-08-31')

// db field value
issued_at = 2015-03-20


The query yields no results... WTF?


Does it correctly interpret :value as the field, not the string o.issuedAt?

In cases like this, the error is usually not where it appears to be.


The problem was with DoctrineQueryBuilder messing up transition from DQL to SQL. Everything was fine except it somehow sent dates as 'YYYY - MM - DD' (notice the space between dashes). Took me forever to locate and fix the issue, although I'm still not entirely sure what was causing it. My current solution is to cheat a bit and simply feed it DateTime->format('Y-m-d') and encapsulate it in quotes.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
excitedBear
Profile Joined March 2015
Austria120 Posts
March 20 2015 19:42 GMT
#12136
jQuery has a isNumeric() function.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
March 21 2015 14:23 GMT
#12137
(isNaN(thestring.value)=true)


It's amusing how much this makes me want to hug a pillow and go cry in a corner.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 21 2015 15:29 GMT
#12138
On March 21 2015 23:23 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
(isNaN(thestring.value)=true)


It's amusing how much this makes me want to hug a pillow and go cry in a corner.


Don't be an asshole. The guy is still learning which is implied by "noob level".
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
March 22 2015 12:35 GMT
#12139
ow beautifull error message <3

 
socket_select() failed, reason: Succes
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
March 24 2015 09:06 GMT
#12140
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