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On March 18 2015 10:22 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 08:46 Zocat wrote:On March 18 2015 07:42 obesechicken13 wrote:
I imagined you'd learn a lot about web from CS. Why? web is a subgroup of software engineering and you can have a cs degree with a minimum of courses in SE. The 1st half of my 1st semester was a bit about programming (back then schools didn't have mandatory classes, so it was used to bring everyone up to the same level (if/else, loops, recursion, ...)). Everything else was "here's your exercise, do it, teamwork is allowed". From there you are free to do what you want. Sure, if you take software engineering / database courses you will learn something about web programming. But if you prefer algorithms (graphs, ...), ai, crypto, robotic, image processing, ... you won't touch anything web related. Yes, there is interdisciplinary stuff and you can combine those. But overall you are not required to do that. Overall there's large misconception that a "cs degree" is a "programming degree". That's why a lot of graduates are actually really bad in the industry. They did the minimum work required (teamwork leeching grades) and are not capable of programming. Being a good programmer while getting a cs degree takes additional effort from the individual. Yeah but if you take just one project based course in web development, you'd hear about angular and mvc and frameworks even if you didn't understand them. Professors like to incorporate real world technologies into their lectures. It's one branch of cs that you don't need to go too deep into to hear these things and get a high level understanding of them. I'm not saying cs is just a programming degree. And I don't think that's true.
To be fair, if you haven´t heard of MVC you have taken 0 SE classes, and I don't think that is possible for any CS course anywhere (I should know, I took as little SE classes as possible). The main thing is that MVC is both easier and harder for web programming than for "traditional" software, because of the major mixup of different languages and paradigms that get thrown together.
I was at uni in the early 00s, though, so maybe courses have changed since then. Imho they really should have. Web services are such a major part of CS nowadays that it seems negligent to not teach something about the bewildering mix of tools you will encounter.
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I have zero web development experience from school and I go to a CS heavy school. Web development is a tiny drop compared to all the technology available, it's not really that important to learn. Networking, for example, can be taught in almost complete isolation of web development.
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On March 18 2015 11:00 Blisse wrote:
I have zero web development experience from school and I go to a CS heavy school. Web development is a tiny drop compared to all the technology available, it's not really that important to learn. Networking, for example, can be taught in almost complete isolation of web development.
Yeah. That is how it is for my school too. There's a web development class but it's an elective. You could easily complete a degree without ever doing any web development. I took the class just because I figured it would be useful to know. Though the class I am in is more of a survey of most of the current technologies and popular concepts than anything in-depth. We do a bit of everything and only go deeper into one or two things for a project.
A competent programmer could probably pick up web development pretty fast anyway. It has the potential to get kinda complicated if you let it but the basics are fairly straightforward.
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Relevant but not relevant, there's a god damned 1px line in some CSS that shows up on IE that doesn't show in Chrome... ugh
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I don't think web development is hard to pick for any experienced programmer. What I dont like about it how much people rely on third party frameworks and mediocre abstractions such as MVC. The mere fact that people use this does not mean that it has real validity in a scientific sense. I agree with Dijkstra that programming is a real science, which has logical/mathematical roots, and this is what should be taught in universities, not some framework which no one will remember in a few years.
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Yeah I had the same experience where there aren't actually any web development classes taught here besides electives. That being said it still seems a lot more complicated/nuanced than I anticipated. I'm personally not interested in doing web dev long term (to my knowledge atm), but there's a lot of demand for web developers from what I can gather at least in the startup sphere. I applied mainly to startups to get more experience building things and working, so even though it's def not my area of expertise or what I'm interested in doing long-term, with a lot of effort I do hope to learn a lot in general 
It's definitely pretty scary to get out of classes and start looking for work though ;;
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On March 17 2015 04:36 BisuDagger wrote:
Anyone know how to change the wallpaper to color black from the terminal/a makefile in KDE4? Additionally, how would I apply it to more then one screen?
Thanks in advance!
edit: this is on RHEL7 if that makes any differences.
No linux nerds here to help me out? Usually there's a dozen of you in here to help me!
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On March 18 2015 07:50 Khalum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 07:21 Acrofales wrote:
I have to say that that is a pretty normal reaction in my experience. When studying, I had fun with some pet projects. Nowadays unless it serves a serious purpose (work or a course), I don't program anything at home. I coded a lot in my free time while I was at University. Nowadays I just drink in my free time...
drink, then code :D
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On March 18 2015 12:15 Aerisky wrote:Yeah I had the same experience where there aren't actually any web development classes taught here besides electives. That being said it still seems a lot more complicated/nuanced than I anticipated. I'm personally not interested in doing web dev long term (to my knowledge atm), but there's a lot of demand for web developers from what I can gather at least in the startup sphere. I applied mainly to startups to get more experience building things and working, so even though it's def not my area of expertise or what I'm interested in doing long-term, with a lot of effort I do hope to learn a lot in general It's definitely pretty scary to get out of classes and start looking for work though ;;
Startups are great if you're after a sense of accomplishment. You're building something from scratch, which is awesome. But as a learning environment it's less ideal (in my experience at least). Colleagues who have knowledge of the technology you're working with *and* have time to share that knowledge are great for picking up new skills. In startups, those are harder to find. More pressure, less colleagues.
It is good fun though, and this is the time in your life to do it  So something to be said for both sides of the story I guess.
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Ah really? I'd always heard that by working in a startup vs a larger company, you get more exposure to more technologies and tasks, as opposed to being a small gear in a big machine and whatnot. It definitely makes sense that it'll be harder for people working in startups to find time to mentor/provide instruction as much though. And yeah I'm really excited!
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On March 18 2015 16:57 Aerisky wrote:
Ah really? I'd always heard that by working in a startup vs a larger company, you get more exposure to more technologies and tasks, as opposed to being a small gear in a big machine and whatnot. It definitely makes sense that it'll be harder for people working in startups to find time to mentor/provide instruction as much though. And yeah I'm really excited!
Startups can be very different from company to company. If the founders have programming background, you either get to work with all the fancy things they read about on the internet this morning or work with some custom framework and such that they developed themselves after their programming 101 course. If they don't have a programming background, you get to work with whatever you like, but if it isn't done yesterday, you better pick something that gets it done yesterday next time, even if the code is a mess afterwards.
Larger companies have their established technologies and introducing new technologies or methods is a long process at the end of which there is already a newer, better method or technology available, so you have to work with ancient code that went through a dozen hands, but since larger companies are usually under less financial pressure, the need to get it done yesterday is lower and you can take your time and try to write your code properly, just like the 12 people that worked on the code before you and all thought they wrote it properly - from their point of view.
Also, larger companies are usually 9-5 with little risk of overtime, startups can be 9-9 every day because you have to get stuff out of the door quickly so the company starts to make money.
There are exceptions of course, e.g. financially secure startups that have plenty of time to produce a good - in terms of code quality - product and larger companies that are quick to adapt to new technologies, but as a rule of thumb, if you are looking for a job, the above is what your expectations should be. Startups to challenge yourself, large companies to actually get old in.
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That wasn't the final solution. In fact the result of the thread ended without figuring it out. On kde4 dcop does not exist. Thank you for that link though, it was educational reading through the thread.
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Ahh I see Morfildur, thanks! That does make a lot of sense, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting to work, as harrowing as it might sound haha. Long days of writing crazy amounts of code definitely sounds pretty interesting and exciting (until it isn't, but in general it sounds fun).
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On March 19 2015 03:05 Aerisky wrote:
Ahh I see Morfildur, thanks! That does make a lot of sense, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting to work, as harrowing as it might sound haha. Long days of writing crazy amounts of code definitely sounds pretty interesting and exciting (until it isn't, but in general it sounds fun).
Think more in terms of looking at code for hours trying to figure out how could someone possibly mess this up so much...
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On March 19 2015 07:00 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 03:05 Aerisky wrote:
Ahh I see Morfildur, thanks! That does make a lot of sense, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting to work, as harrowing as it might sound haha. Long days of writing crazy amounts of code definitely sounds pretty interesting and exciting (until it isn't, but in general it sounds fun). Think more in terms of looking at code for hours trying to figure out how could someone possibly mess this up so much...
And then figure out it's your own code from a couple of months back? :D
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