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Thread Rules
1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 14:51 GMT
#7001
That's what the href in the buttons and the div ids are for. Change the href in the button to whatever div id you want it to affect.

So like:

<button type="button" href="#collapse1" class="nav-toggle">Button 1</button>
<div id="collapse1" style="display:none;">
<p>stuff for #1 here</p>
</div>

<button type="button" href="#collapse2" class="nav-toggle">Button 2</button>
<div id="collapse2" style="display:none;">
<p>stuff for #2 here</p>
</div>
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 15:04:22
September 11 2013 15:04 GMT
#7002
Buttons don't have a "href" attribute.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19228 Posts
September 11 2013 16:09 GMT
#7003
Doesn't matter. You can make up attributes. Hell, you could use "divtohide" as an attribute, and get the value with prop() or attr()
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 11 2013 16:14 GMT
#7004
On September 12 2013 01:09 tofucake wrote:
Doesn't matter. You can make up attributes. Hell, you could use "divtohide" as an attribute, and get the value with prop() or attr()


Only allowed in html5, and even then this is just bad practice
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3304 Posts
September 11 2013 16:16 GMT
#7005
On September 12 2013 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 01:09 tofucake wrote:
Doesn't matter. You can make up attributes. Hell, you could use "divtohide" as an attribute, and get the value with prop() or attr()


Only allowed in html5, and even then this is just bad practice


Yeah, and if using HTML5, Data-X is the way to do that.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19228 Posts
September 11 2013 16:17 GMT
#7006
Never said it wasn't, but it's a way of doing it.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 16:19 GMT
#7007
On September 12 2013 00:04 Yoshi- wrote:
Buttons don't have a "href" attribute.


Technically no, but it works. If you're on a browser that doesn't support html 5, well, yeah...

I was just trying to give the guy a workable solution. If you want to give him a "better" one, feel free.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 11 2013 16:28 GMT
#7008
On September 12 2013 01:19 HardlyNever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:04 Yoshi- wrote:
Buttons don't have a "href" attribute.


Technically no, but it works. If you're on a browser that doesn't support html 5, well, yeah...

I was just trying to give the guy a workable solution. If you want to give him a "better" one, feel free.


Yea there is a lot of stuff that works in just fine(no doctype, not closing tags) and that you still shouldn't do, especially since "href" normally indicates a link. And what happens if they suddenly add the href tag to buttons? Then it is suddenly broken.

And and the two best options have already been posted, calling the div directly using the id or in the relation to what was clicked.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 16:38 GMT
#7009
Then feel free to post a working solution with that method.

Or you could just keep adding nothing constructive and keep nay-saying about how everything is wrong, like half the people that post in this thread.

The guy who asked the question can choose what he wants to do. It's not like I'm forcing him to use what I posted, it is just an option. Why don't you give him a better working option, rather than just criticizing?
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 11 2013 16:54 GMT
#7010
On September 12 2013 01:38 HardlyNever wrote:
Then feel free to post a working solution with that method.

Or you could just keep adding nothing constructive and keep nay-saying about how everything is wrong, like half the people that post in this thread.

The guy who asked the question can choose what he wants to do. It's not like I'm forcing him to use what I posted, it is just an option. Why don't you give him a better working option, rather than just criticizing?



What is less constructive posting a flawed solution or pointing out the flaw?
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 16:59 GMT
#7011
Criticizing a working solution, without posting a better working solution, is definitely less constructive.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 11 2013 17:05 GMT
#7012
On September 12 2013 01:59 HardlyNever wrote:
Criticizing a working solution, without posting a better working solution, is definitely less constructive.


There already is a working solution, that is perfectly fine and posting another one would just be redundant, and because of that not constructive.

Your solution is flawed and I pointed out the flaw, dunno how you could say that my post is less constructive than your original post.

And when you have such an hatred against non-constructiveness then why do you even argue in this thread, because this conversation is as useless as it can get.
supereddie
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands151 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 17:12:07
September 11 2013 17:11 GMT
#7013
On September 11 2013 20:37 adwodon wrote:
Got roped into doing a bit of webstuff by my boss, not sure why as it's not my specialty, but I told him you could easily show / hide sections of text so he decided that means I'm the web guy now.

On that note I have this:


<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
function blocking(nr)
// for displaying or hiding parts of the page
{
displayNew = (document.getElementById(nr).style.display == 'none') ? 'block' : 'none';
document.getElementById(nr).style.display = displayNew;
}
</script>


Then I have it used as follows:


<div>
Something <a href="" onclick="blocking('showHide1'); return false;">+</a>
<div id="showHide1">
Write text here...
</div>
</div>

<div>
Something else <a href="" onclick="blocking('showHide2'); return false;">+</a>
<div id="showHide2">
Write text here...
</div>
</div>


My question is straight forward enough, do I need to have showHide1 and showHide2 or can I do something to keep all the id's the same but still only act on the correct div tag. The way I have it working now is messy and I don't like it at all.

Appreciate any help

Very simple: just pass 'this' as parameter to your javascript function as the sender, like this

function toggle(sender) {
var elm = sender.getElementsByClassName("someID")[0];
elm.style.display = elm.style.display == 'none' ? 'block' : 'none';
}


Then, on the parent element, you call "toggle(this)":

<div class="showHide" onclick="toggle(this)">Some text
<div class="someID">Write text here...</div>
</div>
<div class="showHide" onclick="toggle(this)">Sometext
<div class="someID">Write text here...</div>
</div>


No need for bloated jquery.
"Do not try to make difficult things possible, but make simple things simple." - David Platt on Software Design
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 17:13 GMT
#7014
On September 12 2013 02:05 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 01:59 HardlyNever wrote:
Criticizing a working solution, without posting a better working solution, is definitely less constructive.


There already is a working solution, that is perfectly fine and posting another one would just be redundant, and because of that not constructive.

Your solution is flawed and I pointed out the flaw, dunno how you could say that my post is less constructive than your original post.

And when you have such an hatred against non-constructiveness then why do you even argue in this thread, because this conversation is as useless as it can get.


Because half this thread is useless arguing, and I'm hoping that by pointing it out, to maybe change that. Maybe it is more useless arguing.

The only other solution posted didn't have functioning buttons, or a way to differentiate between the divs, like the guy needed. If he can take that and make buttons and separate ids with it, then fine, no problem. It wasn't exactly what he needed (it seemed) so I put what I had working.

I'm just tired of coming to this thread and seeing people constantly saying how things are wrong, without providing anyway to do it. It does nothing, it's just asshattery.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19228 Posts
September 11 2013 18:08 GMT
#7015
Pretty sure my solution had functioning buttons with differentiation between divs.

But there are plenty of people who know enough to say "that's not following the rules, even it works" but don't have the experience to provide a solution which does follow the rules. There's no need to get upset.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 11 2013 18:24 GMT
#7016
All I saw was this:

http://jsfiddle.net/yW7Yz/2/

Which didn't have buttons, or div ids (just classes). Was there something else? Either way, it seems like the guy got what he wanted, so alls-well that ends-well.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
September 12 2013 01:34 GMT
#7017
On September 12 2013 03:08 tofucake wrote:
Pretty sure my solution had functioning buttons with differentiation between divs.

But there are plenty of people who know enough to say "that's not following the rules, even it works" but don't have the experience to provide a solution which does follow the rules. There's no need to get upset.


Getting upset and useless arguing is one of the best parts of programming, don't try to discourage...

With all these opinions one more can't hurt.


no need for bloated jquery


Hmm. This seems like bad advice. Why would you want to take the time that your js works perfectly in every browser when most web devs are doing it for you by using jquery? Use a cdn, use gzip compression, its not that big.

To the people binding the click event to the div, doesn't it feel weird? Call me old school, I prefer to use click events on things that normally support click like links and buttons but I got my start in web dev with an eye towards accessibility standards.

On making up attributes...it used to be the only way, but with data-* in html5, as a few mentioned, it just feels bizarre to suggest making up anything other than a data-* attribute. If you are going to make a name up, just always append data- in front of it and it is now valid in html5, seems easy enough.


should have buttons or something. You could probably do toggle on first child instead if you want to have a bunch of .showHides

http://jsfiddle.net/yW7Yz/2/ like that


This is sound advice, with a slight modification. I have found that things like first child, direct descendent selects, next() ,previous(), parent() and sibling() in jquery are just a tad brittle because they require the exact markup structure not to change. If you are positive that you aren't going to change it in the future then of course you're fine.

Using closest() and find() in combination alleviates some of the pain. It is worth noting that lots of dom traversal is still bad -> so this is great for show hide types where you just want to operate in context of an item getting clicked, and not so great say when used in a loop of a few thousand iterations.

Example: http://jsfiddle.net/ReWEj/
wowguideding
Profile Joined September 2013
3 Posts
September 12 2013 07:43 GMT
#7018
--- Nuked ---
supereddie
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands151 Posts
September 12 2013 16:06 GMT
#7019
On September 12 2013 10:34 berated- wrote:
Hmm. This seems like bad advice. Why would you want to take the time that your js works perfectly in every browser when most web devs are doing it for you by using jquery? Use a cdn, use gzip compression, its not that big.

This particular problem can be easliy solved with standard javascript that is supported in all browsers. There are no browser-specific functions needed - just standard javascript. You don't need external files, libraries etc. Every function is builtin in the javascript engine in a browser. It is complete overkill to use jQuery for this simple problem.
"Do not try to make difficult things possible, but make simple things simple." - David Platt on Software Design
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 12 2013 21:45 GMT
#7020
I was wondering how variables' scope is dealt with in regards to Java GUI. Is it global or do you need to declare everything as a field? All in all, how you deal with variables? Examples would be nice if you have nearby.
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