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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 11:59:22
June 23 2013 11:58 GMT
#6281
On June 21 2013 10:44 Roe wrote:
Sort of on the note of the last questions, what would be an average or exemplar day of being a programmer? From 9-5, what kind of things do you face?

I think it depends a LOT on what kind of programmer you are, what company you're working with etc.

Personally, I maintain and develop a few big intranet applications for a big swedish company and my day basically consists of picking what to develop and get going. The company handles new developments by deciding on a few upgrades they want to make, budget them out over the year and then take them a few by the quarter, so there's usually a few upgrades like this to work on. It generally comes down to first finding out how the hell the current functionality works, add the upgrades, then test them. Then you let the company testers go for a round and fix all the feedback.

While doing this, you generally throw in some bugfixing. Lots of debugging, then usually some easy fix and some correspondence with the person who wrote the ticket.

Add in a sprinkle of meetings (not so bad for me, my boss takes care of the majority of it) and that's about my day.

It's pretty hard to go into more detail since I'm a consultant, so my workload and my actual activity varies a lot. It's generally quite simple stuff, basic C#, HTML, Javascript, CSS... Obviously quite a bit of SQL work. But it's almost always the case that I have a powerpoint spec showing how the upgrade result should look like and work, and then you just implement it.
Intgrl
Profile Joined June 2012
27 Posts
June 23 2013 12:05 GMT
#6282
I just wanted to know if focusing on C from the beginning would be a big benefit when I'm most likely going to do my own little projects rather than anything big. Seems like I can do that with just high-level languages but I surely want to check out C sooner or later, just to keep that door open because you never know if things change. Thanks for the answers.
among the mindless
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
June 23 2013 12:21 GMT
#6283
On June 23 2013 21:05 Intgrl wrote:
I just wanted to know if focusing on C from the beginning would be a big benefit when I'm most likely going to do my own little projects rather than anything big. Seems like I can do that with just high-level languages but I surely want to check out C sooner or later, just to keep that door open because you never know if things change. Thanks for the answers.

What kind of projects do you want to make? Many high level languages are based on C. For example, C++ is basically an extension to the C language. Indeed, C code will actually compile in a C++ compiler (unless it uses "class" or "template" as a variable or function name, of course XD).
Personally I don't see why you shouldn't just skip straight to learning a higher-level language, like C++, C# or Java. The book that I used to teach myself C++ in high school recommended against learning C before learning C++, since C will teach you many practices which are considered bad in C++ (such as using #define to create symbolic constants, which the author referred to as the "old-fashioned, evil, politically-incorrect way of doing it", lol).
If, after learning a high-level language, you really want to learn C, it shouldn't be too hard.
Procrastination is the enemy
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 23 2013 12:24 GMT
#6284
would you recommend learning php or phyton if you had to choose between the two?
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
June 23 2013 12:26 GMT
#6285
On June 23 2013 20:49 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 20:23 nimdil wrote:
On June 21 2013 11:18 tofucake wrote:
On June 21 2013 10:44 Roe wrote:
Sort of on the note of the last questions, what would be an average or exemplar day of being a programmer? From 9-5, what kind of things do you face?

[image loading]

These times this pic is quite outdated as even big pieces of software frequently compiles in few minutes tops on modern computers (I guess there are exceptions but few).

However if you work with databases (and I don't mean as in using it for storage dump for program but really working with the data) you can end up having tons of time waiting for the result of the query. Databases rule.

I spend probably an hour a day or more waiting for things to compile (usually I do other things during this time), and I have a 12 core Xeon and a hugely distributed build system. If you think that comic is outdated, you just haven't seen a codebase of sufficient size yet

I wonder what kind of system are you compiling.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
June 23 2013 12:33 GMT
#6286
On June 23 2013 21:24 bypLy wrote:
would you recommend learning php or phyton if you had to choose between the two?

Depends on what you want to do, would be the generic standard answer.

But I am assuming you ask this because you just like to learn a new language. In that case, pick the one that seems most fun. Because 'being fun' is the biggest help in learning something. Perhaps base this on what learning material / tutorials you can find.

Personally I would say python because I am biased against php. But I haven't touched php since version 5 came out, which has seen some important improvements iirc.

Any language learned is extra experience and useful in the long run.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19264 Posts
June 23 2013 12:59 GMT
#6287
On June 23 2013 21:26 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 20:49 tec27 wrote:
On June 23 2013 20:23 nimdil wrote:
On June 21 2013 11:18 tofucake wrote:
On June 21 2013 10:44 Roe wrote:
Sort of on the note of the last questions, what would be an average or exemplar day of being a programmer? From 9-5, what kind of things do you face?

[image loading]

These times this pic is quite outdated as even big pieces of software frequently compiles in few minutes tops on modern computers (I guess there are exceptions but few).

However if you work with databases (and I don't mean as in using it for storage dump for program but really working with the data) you can end up having tons of time waiting for the result of the query. Databases rule.

I spend probably an hour a day or more waiting for things to compile (usually I do other things during this time), and I have a 12 core Xeon and a hugely distributed build system. If you think that comic is outdated, you just haven't seen a codebase of sufficient size yet

I wonder what kind of system are you compiling.

He is compiling Google.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 23 2013 13:01 GMT
#6288
Just google?
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
June 23 2013 13:11 GMT
#6289
On June 22 2013 23:45 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:03 vvSiegvv wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?


I'd highly recommend CS:193p taught via ItunesU with Paul Hegarty. All of the lectures you can get for free I believe off of Itunes, and it was a really well taught lecture series that my university incorporated into our own iOS development class. Hope this helps!

Ok, I've started going through the Fall 2011 course. I'm curious, why doesn't
NSString *digit = sender.currentTitle;
work(it worked in the course video)? All the other dot notation shown in the 2nd lesson, the calculator demo, works. However, for this, XCode only accepts
NSString *digit = [sender currentTitle];
as it thinks sender is an undeclared variable if dot notation is used.

Also, in what sort of cases would putting @synthesize brain; instead of @synthesize brain = _brain; cause a problem?

Anyone? Anyone at all? At least the 2nd part?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
June 23 2013 14:11 GMT
#6290
On June 23 2013 21:59 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 21:26 nimdil wrote:
On June 23 2013 20:49 tec27 wrote:
On June 23 2013 20:23 nimdil wrote:
On June 21 2013 11:18 tofucake wrote:
On June 21 2013 10:44 Roe wrote:
Sort of on the note of the last questions, what would be an average or exemplar day of being a programmer? From 9-5, what kind of things do you face?

[image loading]

These times this pic is quite outdated as even big pieces of software frequently compiles in few minutes tops on modern computers (I guess there are exceptions but few).

However if you work with databases (and I don't mean as in using it for storage dump for program but really working with the data) you can end up having tons of time waiting for the result of the query. Databases rule.

I spend probably an hour a day or more waiting for things to compile (usually I do other things during this time), and I have a 12 core Xeon and a hugely distributed build system. If you think that comic is outdated, you just haven't seen a codebase of sufficient size yet

I wonder what kind of system are you compiling.

He is compiling Google.

Not necessarily. I heard that compiling PostgreSQL takes around 1h on good setup but still you don't work on such system everywhere.
ArdentZeal
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany155 Posts
June 23 2013 14:35 GMT
#6291
On June 22 2013 23:45 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:03 vvSiegvv wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?


I'd highly recommend CS:193p taught via ItunesU with Paul Hegarty. All of the lectures you can get for free I believe off of Itunes, and it was a really well taught lecture series that my university incorporated into our own iOS development class. Hope this helps!

Ok, I've started going through the Fall 2011 course. I'm curious, why doesn't
NSString *digit = sender.currentTitle;
work(it worked in the course video)? All the other dot notation shown in the 2nd lesson, the calculator demo, works. However, for this, XCode only accepts
NSString *digit = [sender currentTitle];
as it thinks sender is an undeclared variable if dot notation is used.

Also, in what sort of cases would putting @synthesize brain; instead of @synthesize brain = _brain; cause a problem?


object.something is just another way of accessing the getter Method of property something, or you can call it direcly with [object something]. If you have a normal function, no property, you need to use [object something];

Second part:
In any class using a getter and setter function for brain like -(void) setBrain(Parameter) or -(id) brain, because synthesize generates said getter and setter and so u will get a duplicate error.


Omer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Israel442 Posts
June 23 2013 14:40 GMT
#6292
Just following up on my post, i found a book, Introduction to Java Programming by Y. Daniel Liang is a great book, pretty big too and covers a lot of java topics, around ~34 chapters
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
June 23 2013 16:14 GMT
#6293
On June 23 2013 23:35 ArdentZeal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 23:45 3FFA wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:03 vvSiegvv wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?


I'd highly recommend CS:193p taught via ItunesU with Paul Hegarty. All of the lectures you can get for free I believe off of Itunes, and it was a really well taught lecture series that my university incorporated into our own iOS development class. Hope this helps!

Ok, I've started going through the Fall 2011 course. I'm curious, why doesn't
NSString *digit = sender.currentTitle;
work(it worked in the course video)? All the other dot notation shown in the 2nd lesson, the calculator demo, works. However, for this, XCode only accepts
NSString *digit = [sender currentTitle];
as it thinks sender is an undeclared variable if dot notation is used.

Also, in what sort of cases would putting @synthesize brain; instead of @synthesize brain = _brain; cause a problem?


object.something is just another way of accessing the getter Method of property something, or you can call it direcly with [object something]. If you have a normal function, no property, you need to use [object something];

Second part:
In any class using a getter and setter function for brain like -(void) setBrain(Parameter) or -(id) brain, because synthesize generates said getter and setter and so u will get a duplicate error.



Ahha! Thank you very much ArdentZeal.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 17:47:21
June 23 2013 17:46 GMT
#6294
On June 23 2013 22:01 kollin wrote:
Just google?

Google builds from head (most teams at least, there are exceptions). Most of that is hidden by the awesomeness of blaze, but the sheer volume of code that is being compiled can add up. (Also, I'm assuming tec means he spends ~hour aggregate over the course of a day, not at one time)

See here for more info:


Actually maybe worth watching just because it's a brilliant piece of software.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#6295
I was being sarcastic ^^
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 23 2013 17:51 GMT
#6296
On June 23 2013 21:33 Badjas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 21:24 bypLy wrote:
would you recommend learning php or phyton if you had to choose between the two?

Depends on what you want to do, would be the generic standard answer.

But I am assuming you ask this because you just like to learn a new language. In that case, pick the one that seems most fun. Because 'being fun' is the biggest help in learning something. Perhaps base this on what learning material / tutorials you can find.

Personally I would say python because I am biased against php. But I haven't touched php since version 5 came out, which has seen some important improvements iirc.

Any language learned is extra experience and useful in the long run.



thanks gonna try that out
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
June 23 2013 18:12 GMT
#6297
On June 24 2013 02:48 kollin wrote:
I was being sarcastic ^^

Still worth watching the tech talk
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
June 23 2013 18:43 GMT
#6298
On June 23 2013 21:21 codonbyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 21:05 Intgrl wrote:
I just wanted to know if focusing on C from the beginning would be a big benefit when I'm most likely going to do my own little projects rather than anything big. Seems like I can do that with just high-level languages but I surely want to check out C sooner or later, just to keep that door open because you never know if things change. Thanks for the answers.

What kind of projects do you want to make? Many high level languages are based on C. For example, C++ is basically an extension to the C language. Indeed, C code will actually compile in a C++ compiler (unless it uses "class" or "template" as a variable or function name, of course XD).
Personally I don't see why you shouldn't just skip straight to learning a higher-level language, like C++, C# or Java. The book that I used to teach myself C++ in high school recommended against learning C before learning C++, since C will teach you many practices which are considered bad in C++ (such as using #define to create symbolic constants, which the author referred to as the "old-fashioned, evil, politically-incorrect way of doing it", lol).
If, after learning a high-level language, you really want to learn C, it shouldn't be too hard.

Wow, the author of the book is not exactly right. These tools both have merits.

Personally I'm all for learning C as first language. Seriously look at TIOBE - C is still number 1. After that you can go for something objective, of course, and TBH you can skip C++ for something more enterprise friendly - so Java or C#. I'd also recommend learning some functional language on the side: Haskell, Ocaml or F#.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 23 2013 23:51 GMT
#6299
On June 23 2013 20:23 nimdil wrote:
However if you work with databases (and I don't mean as in using it for storage dump for program but really working with the data) you can end up having tons of time waiting for the result of the query. Databases rule.

It's unfair that they expect me to work on other things during a 1-2 hour processing call.
twitch.tv/cratonz
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 24 2013 03:11 GMT
#6300
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1VGimQ/matt.might.net/articles/what-cs-majors-should-know/

Very good read im happy that my uni is teaching me almost 80% of what is discussed here
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