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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 20 2013 23:04 GMT
#6061
I need to know some svn stuff for the exam. E.g. svn revert/propset/checkout/branches/working copy/roll back of revision. Basic stuff like that. I know some theory, but I want to apply what I've learnt. Do you know any good svn provider? It'd be nice if I can use both svn command line & TortoiseSVN. I've tried https://www.assembla.com, but I don't find it so nice for some reason.
ThatGuy
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada695 Posts
May 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#6062
On May 21 2013 08:04 darkness wrote:
I need to know some svn stuff for the exam. E.g. svn revert/propset/checkout/branches/working copy/roll back of revision. Basic stuff like that. I know some theory, but I want to apply what I've learnt. Do you know any good svn provider? It'd be nice if I can use both svn command line & TortoiseSVN. I've tried https://www.assembla.com, but I don't find it so nice for some reason.


Google Code is pretty useful for this: https://code.google.com/
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 12:31:32
May 21 2013 12:31 GMT
#6063
On May 21 2013 08:04 darkness wrote:
I need to know some svn stuff for the exam. E.g. svn revert/propset/checkout/branches/working copy/roll back of revision. Basic stuff like that. I know some theory, but I want to apply what I've learnt. Do you know any good svn provider? It'd be nice if I can use both svn command line & TortoiseSVN. I've tried https://www.assembla.com, but I don't find it so nice for some reason.


Sorry cant help you, dont touch svn ever since I started using git, however I use Assembla for my private git repos and I have no problems with it
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 21 2013 16:26 GMT
#6064
On May 21 2013 08:04 darkness wrote:
I need to know some svn stuff for the exam. E.g. svn revert/propset/checkout/branches/working copy/roll back of revision. Basic stuff like that. I know some theory, but I want to apply what I've learnt. Do you know any good svn provider? It'd be nice if I can use both svn command line & TortoiseSVN. I've tried https://www.assembla.com, but I don't find it so nice for some reason.

You could just get VisualSVN Server up and running on your own computer and use that. It's free and easy to set up.
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:04:22
May 21 2013 17:59 GMT
#6065
Question on database design: What's the consensus on unique ids on many-to-many join tables? Do you think they're redundant or necessary?

As an example, suppose I have two tables: tblObject, and tblAttribute. Suppose any one object can have any set of attributes, and likewise any one attribute can apply to any set of objects. So I would create a join table called tblObjectToAttribute that would have both the objectId and the attributeId. Is it necessary to create an incremental unique id in the join table, something like objectToAttributeId, even though the combination of objectId and attributeId is already unique? In practice, I've never found that I've needed it, but habitually I've always created it. Even if I were to join that join table to some other table, you could still just use the combination of the object and attribute ids.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
May 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#6066
On May 22 2013 02:59 enigmaticcam wrote:
Question on database design: What's the consensus on unique ids on many-to-many join tables? Do you think they're redundant or necessary?

As an example, suppose I have two tables: tblObject, and tblAttribute. Suppose any one object can have any set of attributes, and likewise any one attribute can apply to any set of objects. So I would create a join table called tblObjectToAttribute that would have both the objectId and the attributeId. Is it necessary to create an incremental unique id in the join table, something like objectToAttributeId, even though the combination of objectId and attributeId is already unique? In practice, I've never found that I've needed it, but habitually I've always created it. Even if I were to join that join table to some other table, you could still just use the combination of the object and attribute ids.


I would have just those two fields and have them form the primary key. It seems a lot cleaner. I don't really deal with this crap much though, so maybe there are some good reasons to to have a unique id.
Toboe
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States276 Posts
May 21 2013 23:17 GMT
#6067
On May 22 2013 02:59 enigmaticcam wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Question on database design: What's the consensus on unique ids on many-to-many join tables? Do you think they're redundant or necessary?

As an example, suppose I have two tables: tblObject, and tblAttribute. Suppose any one object can have any set of attributes, and likewise any one attribute can apply to any set of objects. So I would create a join table called tblObjectToAttribute that would have both the objectId and the attributeId. Is it necessary to create an incremental unique id in the join table, something like objectToAttributeId, even though the combination of objectId and attributeId is already unique? In practice, I've never found that I've needed it, but habitually I've always created it. Even if I were to join that join table to some other table, you could still just use the combination of the object and attribute ids.


Some replication pipelines will work faster if you have a separate primary key column (not clustered) on the join table for each relation, which will quickly come into play when you scale up to replicating the data to dozens of servers and have real time replication going instead of scheduled. The only other reason I can think of off the top of my head is the naive conception of tracking information about each relation. Specifically tracking the history/origin of each relation when you are providing support to someone using your application and need to know how they screwed up their data to reproduce an issue in a complex system. There may be some edge cases where this does need to be done per relation, but almost every application has a smarter point of tracking history, usually at key points in the object's lifecycle (creation, modification, copying, merging, deleting, etc), where you can track groups of changes to the relations and keep that in a separate table so that it doesn't impede normal object use.
Immortals are your friend, you can tell by the way they waddle at you
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:29:10
May 21 2013 23:28 GMT
#6068
On May 21 2013 11:07 ThatGuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 08:04 darkness wrote:
I need to know some svn stuff for the exam. E.g. svn revert/propset/checkout/branches/working copy/roll back of revision. Basic stuff like that. I know some theory, but I want to apply what I've learnt. Do you know any good svn provider? It'd be nice if I can use both svn command line & TortoiseSVN. I've tried https://www.assembla.com, but I don't find it so nice for some reason.


Google Code is pretty useful for this: https://code.google.com/


All right, cheers. I think Assembla isn't too bad, it was just my lack of practice with svn's way. By the way, does an ant build need file always need to import junit? E.g.


<path id="class.path">
<pathelement location="junit.jar"/>
<!-- where classes go :P -->
<pathelement location="bin"/>
</path>
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
May 22 2013 01:36 GMT
#6069
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19152 Posts
May 22 2013 01:59 GMT
#6070
Apple doesn't let you develop for iOS unless you buy a Mac and I really don't care that much so I've never bothered learning anything about iOS development. Sorry.
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vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
May 22 2013 02:03 GMT
#6071
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?


I'd highly recommend CS:193p taught via ItunesU with Paul Hegarty. All of the lectures you can get for free I believe off of Itunes, and it was a really well taught lecture series that my university incorporated into our own iOS development class. Hope this helps!
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
May 22 2013 02:05 GMT
#6072
On May 22 2013 11:03 vvSiegvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?


I'd highly recommend CS:193p taught via ItunesU with Paul Hegarty. All of the lectures you can get for free I believe off of Itunes, and it was a really well taught lecture series that my university incorporated into our own iOS development class. Hope this helps!

Ooooo I'll look into it! Thanks

Of course, I would like other ideas too.

@Tofu thanks for the thought at least
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
May 22 2013 02:51 GMT
#6073
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?



If you dont own an ios system, or have a virtual one, it will be very hard. If it's a game, you could do the whole game in c++ and use an objective-c layer just to communicate with the device, minimizing the time needed to use a mac. but the best way is to get an ios device and program on it.
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 05:36:55
May 22 2013 05:35 GMT
#6074
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?

If you're wanting to do more advanced iOS stuff, I'd definitely look into Core Data. Not sure if there's any online classes though. I personally just ordered a book on Amazon.

Edit: Thanks for the info on join tables, waxypants and Toboe. I'll keep doing it the way I usually do.
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
May 22 2013 06:24 GMT
#6075
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.

Data structures and algorithms if it's offered by your local junior college.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 22 2013 06:40 GMT
#6076
On May 22 2013 02:59 enigmaticcam wrote:
Question on database design: What's the consensus on unique ids on many-to-many join tables? Do you think they're redundant or necessary?

As an example, suppose I have two tables: tblObject, and tblAttribute. Suppose any one object can have any set of attributes, and likewise any one attribute can apply to any set of objects. So I would create a join table called tblObjectToAttribute that would have both the objectId and the attributeId. Is it necessary to create an incremental unique id in the join table, something like objectToAttributeId, even though the combination of objectId and attributeId is already unique? In practice, I've never found that I've needed it, but habitually I've always created it. Even if I were to join that join table to some other table, you could still just use the combination of the object and attribute ids.

I would not include an ID column in a ManyToMany table, as least not if it's exlusively objectid and attributeid. If there are more columns to save data about the relations, it might be more relevant. However, I usually do include ID columns otherwise, simply because composite primary keys are more annoying to work with when writing longer queries and it's easier to fuck up joins without it.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 01:03:03
May 23 2013 01:02 GMT
#6077
On May 22 2013 11:51 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?



If you dont own an ios system, or have a virtual one, it will be very hard. If it's a game, you could do the whole game in c++ and use an objective-c layer just to communicate with the device, minimizing the time needed to use a mac. but the best way is to get an ios device and program on it.


I have the XCode simulator which is what we've been using for the whole class. We touched a bit on apps and were able to make some basic working ones that I outlined above, but I want to expand on this knowledge..

However, why would I program on an iOS device instead of a Mac? o.O
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
May 23 2013 06:01 GMT
#6078
On May 23 2013 10:02 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:51 dartoo wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:36 3FFA wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:40 3FFA wrote:
I've learned quite a bit about Objective C. and have learned how to make some basic iOS apps. Any good online courses I could take to expand my knowledge of what I can actually do with the iOS?

edit: For example, I have made a basic + - * / calculator, a small war-like card game, and a guessing game app in my High School's programming class. I am hoping to take a class to expand upon this knowledge in the Summer.


No one?



If you dont own an ios system, or have a virtual one, it will be very hard. If it's a game, you could do the whole game in c++ and use an objective-c layer just to communicate with the device, minimizing the time needed to use a mac. but the best way is to get an ios device and program on it.


I have the XCode simulator which is what we've been using for the whole class. We touched a bit on apps and were able to make some basic working ones that I outlined above, but I want to expand on this knowledge..

However, why would I program on an iOS device instead of a Mac? o.O



Ah sorry,I meant a mac..was in a hurry when I typed that post (ladder match was found :p).
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
May 23 2013 12:38 GMT
#6079
On May 22 2013 02:59 enigmaticcam wrote:
Question on database design: What's the consensus on unique ids on many-to-many join tables? Do you think they're redundant or necessary?

As an example, suppose I have two tables: tblObject, and tblAttribute. Suppose any one object can have any set of attributes, and likewise any one attribute can apply to any set of objects. So I would create a join table called tblObjectToAttribute that would have both the objectId and the attributeId. Is it necessary to create an incremental unique id in the join table, something like objectToAttributeId, even though the combination of objectId and attributeId is already unique? In practice, I've never found that I've needed it, but habitually I've always created it. Even if I were to join that join table to some other table, you could still just use the combination of the object and attribute ids.

I would not add artificial Id column in this case unless some overriding reason was there. In general I do not use artificial Id's if there is logical primary key, of course there are exceptions, but it is a nice general rule for me. I dislike the tendency of some ORMs (NHibernate for example) to try to force you to use them.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 16:25:05
May 23 2013 16:19 GMT
#6080
So I'll have a project next year to implement one of the following games.

Sudoku: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudoku
Futoshiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futoshiki
Strimko: http://www.strimko.com
GridWorks: http://www.puzzles.com/projects/GridWorksPrevious.htm

I've been advised to read about Java GUI, datastractures and information about game playing "in a standard Artificial Intelligence text".

Could any experience programmer advise me anything that may be useful? I'm not forced to use Java, but I think I'm more comfortable with OOP and Java.

Edit: Sudoku may be easier, so I'm currently considering it as a choice.
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