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Smgzy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States187 Posts
July 09 2010 11:19 GMT
#61
On July 09 2010 16:37 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Just ordered that vertical mouse. Couldnt find a local store anywhere otherwise i woulda bought it off the shelf regardless of price.


Let me know how it works out. I've been curious about using one of these for a while now.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
July 09 2010 14:20 GMT
#62
On July 09 2010 20:19 Smgzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 16:37 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Just ordered that vertical mouse. Couldnt find a local store anywhere otherwise i woulda bought it off the shelf regardless of price.


Let me know how it works out. I've been curious about using one of these for a while now.

me too, pm me pls
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 14:34:47
July 10 2010 14:27 GMT
#63
Ive been posting about the evoluvent 3 vertical mouse for a good month, recommending it for anyone for day to day computer use (Switch to the razer for gaming though) It's truly amazing. My Cubital tunnel syndrome went right away. I start to get mild irritation (No numbness now) from a whole day of hardcore gaming (using razer mouse ^^) but I take micro breaks now (I watch my replays between games) and I have not shown any symptoms. My fried suggested it to me, He had major carpal tunnel, he says the condition has majorly reduced. It's kinda funny, about 3 weeks ago i sent Day[9] a 300 word PM regarding this mouse, and now I see it being posted in so many threads :D (He probably didnt even see it, getting so much PM's and such. I'm just glad people here are looking into it, it really is a great product. Perhaps someone should msg Evoluvent with a Team Liquid business proposition. It is quite expensive.

edit: and with surgery, theirs a flab of tissue above the carpal tunnel that causes the irritation (maybe it's a minor muscle?) Getting it cut will reduce nearly 100% of the irritation to the carpal tunnel, similarily, getting the cubital tunnel drilled out a little will also reduce all irritation to that part of the hand. I believe most progamers have atleast one of these surgeries done and this is why they perform at the length they play.
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Narwhal
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom314 Posts
July 10 2010 14:49 GMT
#64
This is really well done post, thank you.

Personally I am so used to slouching and resting my wrists that when I tried to do that exercise it hurt after a while but ill surely give it a go.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 15:03:53
July 10 2010 15:01 GMT
#65
we scbw players have been doing these streches for years.

no but seriously, I've been doing these subconsciously as far as I can remember. Except the hand stretches are more like stick my arms up as far as I can and stretch everything along the way up to the hand. And I do a wrist rolling thing where I make a fist. And I love doing the forearm stretch, I even use that one when actually working out.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Puglet
Profile Joined June 2010
South Africa78 Posts
July 10 2010 17:44 GMT
#66
Great post.
I've had problems with my hand and wrist quite frequently since a rather strange football accident, where I was standing keeper and a friend of mine took a cracking shot. The ball hit me on my jaw, knocked me out (how that happened I have no idea, but clearly keeping isn't my thing) and I landed on my right hand. When I went to the hand surgeon he showed and told me about a lot of the stuff you've mentioned here (particularly the stretches) and instructed me do do them once my hand was all healed up.
Ended up not doing surgery and now I'm showing all the symptoms of RSI. I guess spending a very large percentage of my free time on my PC doesn't help.

This post will hopefully prove very useful to my unfortunate right hand. You have my thanks :D
Ponnuki
Profile Joined July 2010
United States19 Posts
July 10 2010 20:01 GMT
#67
Nice post OP. If anyone has any particularly difficult questions regarding RSI or arthritis or anything related to bones and joints, I can also forward it to my father who is a rheumatologist of over 20 years.
The best offense is a good defense.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 07:52:25
July 15 2010 07:49 GMT
#68
Still havent received the damn mouse. I got an email saying it was sent Monday (from interstate). Its now Thurs night, I call em and they say it was posted Tues night zzz.

Really could have used it today. Im thinking of calling in sick tomorrow, my hand is soo bad. Been doing the wrist stretches and all but it really needs rest (which is damn hard since all I wanna do is play some games lol. If you see me in LoL you know I gave in :p)

I actually looked into buying one of those head band things which controls the mouse pointer. Thought it would be an interesting experiment and training for the brain. Unfortunately it only works with x32 OS so bleh.

Edit: I started using the wrist pad thing that came with my Razer Exactmat. Its awkward but prob for the best until i get this vertical thing (which I completely plan on trying to game with no matter how long it takes to get used to..)
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
July 26 2010 10:20 GMT
#69
Ok I got the mouse finally.

Ffs, theres a 3rd mouse button at the bottom which I just clicked, turns out to be the back button of all things so I lost my post.

Oh well, i'll test it more thoroughly at work tomorrow and report results. First impression: Waay smaller than I imagined and will definitely take getting used to.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Smgzy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States187 Posts
July 27 2010 08:05 GMT
#70
On July 26 2010 19:20 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Ok I got the mouse finally.

Ffs, theres a 3rd mouse button at the bottom which I just clicked, turns out to be the back button of all things so I lost my post.

Oh well, i'll test it more thoroughly at work tomorrow and report results. First impression: Waay smaller than I imagined and will definitely take getting used to.


interesting. can't wait to hear your impressions once you are used to it.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
July 27 2010 12:22 GMT
#71
Well i'll tell you one thing.

You can get away playing LoL with it. SC2? forget about it

I guess it will be fine for work. I just happened to call in sick today (i really am) and watched the SC2 Day 9 Party yeaaahhh oh and casually pick up a copy as well..
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
blackodd
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden451 Posts
July 30 2010 20:28 GMT
#72
Just bumping this, great post
For I am the Queen of Blades. And none shall ever dispute my rule, again...
Zadien
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada77 Posts
August 05 2010 02:13 GMT
#73
If I may another stretch to this fine list. From Yoga, it is called Eagle Pose. It helps your upper back stretch quite beautifully. Here is the image of what it looks like, the arm underneath pushes your upper arm across your chest. You should feel it in your back almost instantly, if not stand up do it and bend over.

http://yoga.lovetoknow.com/Image:Eagle_pose_front_view.jpg
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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
August 11 2010 00:37 GMT
#74
After using the vertical mouse for a few weeks now I can comfortably use my razer again without issue. Definitely recommend!

Also I've become fairly accurate with it so its not slowing me down at work at all. If only thee was a similar device to heal my left wrist now lol.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 11 2010 00:38 GMT
#75
My sitting position is pretty much just like this, now I just need some hand exercises and I'm good to go xD
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 11 2010 00:40 GMT
#76
Day9 stacks 2 pillows in his lap for his carpal tunnel. FIXED :D
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Smgzy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States187 Posts
September 20 2010 21:26 GMT
#77
I've been using the Steelseries Ikari for quite some time now. It's not the most amazing mouse that i've ever used, but i have to say that it has helped my hand position immensely. My pain is only minor now, but after switching back to my other mouse(razer salmosa), I think I will have a much better time now that my hand position has been corrected. I would recommend this mouse to anyone who is experiencing pain because of bad mouse hand posture.

+ Show Spoiler [Ikari Picture] +
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My problem before with other mice was that I would grip the edge with my ring and pinky finger, and my hand would be too curled up. The nice thing about the Ikari is that it has ring and pinky ringer supports which helped me to correct this issue after maybe a month or two of using it. I will probably still use the Ikari for general computer use, but I can't really beat the salmosa when it comes to gaming.
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
September 21 2010 00:08 GMT
#78
well...

do your settup always as nice as it feels for you, thats common.

i have a challenge for you that suffer from bone, muscle and tendon problems, aka pain:
i predict:

1. you suffer self esteem problems focused on the area you do your work and solving problems, maybe at home getting something done or somewhere else. It is always the same, if you want something to happen, you can not do it right now, you learn what ever, you get a conflict exactly at the area the action is projected, like soccer would be the knees, tennis, elbow, computer, fingers, hand wrist and so on.
2. the pain will start if you solved the conflict. this has to do with biological and nature perfectionism. it will exactly stay as long as the starting conflict lasted until the solvation. this is the healing phase. this is the time you normally go to a doctor and get medicine. the time this is lasting is already predetermined. with or without medicine. after the healing phase you are healthy again. like you have been all the time. if you not decided to get poisened by a medicine stopping the natural healing process and get a chronical disease.


test this about yourself, if you get ill, has there been an intense event taking you of guard and you have to solve it alone? the moment of solvation is the starting point of the "illness" aka healing, the illness/healing will exactly match the period conflict was about.
(me:I am a alternative healer in germany, here are 2 ways to be allowed to handle patients:you are a medicine degree, or you are a heilpraktiker, what is healing practician in translation. only those are alowed to decide what to do to persons that got ill.)

non the less, next time you get a cough, check if something unexpected happened to you, and the time it started and the time you come ok with it and solve it, so you get the time how exactly long this will be. like time of conflict = time of healing (illness)
and the longer it gets the more dangerous it gets. like cancer. non the less it is healing phase but dangerous.
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 21 2010 00:28 GMT
#79
Awesomely informative. THhx
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Smgzy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States187 Posts
November 08 2010 05:57 GMT
#80
I'd just like to let everyone know that since a year ago, that is, the time that I had a lot of RSI health issues(I couldn't use the computer at all). I can now use the computer for 10+ hours a day without anything but maybe minor pain from time to time(not serious at all). I don't have to take breaks or anything thanks to a great ergonomic setup. I just play games all day long. What I mean is, I'm glad to say that all of the things that I've suggested have actually worked for me, which is a great relief.
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