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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
April 25 2004 00:21 GMT
#41
I have several freinds either in Iraq or in the reserves. Generally speaking, they disagree with the war, and are not fond of Bush. Yet, they want to be in Iraq. It is not because they are "hawks", or beleive in the so called "cause", it is becuase 1)they are trained to do a job, and wish to do it 2) they have friends in Iraq that they want to go support. Large numbers of people re-enlisting in Iraq is not necessarily a sign of a large scale support of Bush's policy. It is more likely the reflection of military culture. When you make a living off the military, when your friends and family are in the military, when your lifestyle revolves around the military, re-enlisting has more to do with maintaining the direction of your life, rather than support for some warmonger. To make the connection between the two, is a rather desperate attempt to create the impression that there is support for a war that we are losing.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
After)Eight(
Profile Joined March 2003
Germany502 Posts
April 25 2004 00:32 GMT
#42
for sure u all know the truth, no?!
i hate quote
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 25 2004 00:36 GMT
#43
"To come out and work with you guys every day, it's a good feeling," Pinkley, 26, told his 101st Airborne Division buddies during the ceremony earlier this month. His wife, Kimberly, watched with a smile, their toddler in her arms.


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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
April 25 2004 00:39 GMT
#44
Hah, there isn't a hint of propaganda there.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
April 25 2004 00:58 GMT
#45
military culture is like........ u not supposed to have a political opinion, not judge the president at all. try not to think about it, because u have to back him no matter what. its harder to do this with bush than other presidents i think. afghanistan make sense.. iraq.. um. not horrible idea but the reasonings/policiess were insulting to anyone who was listening. im surprised some ppl are so inspired by bush reading a teleprompter now and then that they will believe anything he says years after 9/11. i didnt realize usa had so many ppl like that. i suppose fox news is helping them
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
April 25 2004 01:09 GMT
#46
i suppose fox news is helping them


Karen Hughes is on CNN right now. She just made a blatant connection between Iraq and terrorism, implied Saddam had WMD, and said the terrorist hate us because of our freedoms. She then says Kerry is misleading americans about the facts, and that he should apologize. No wonder.....
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
April 25 2004 01:17 GMT
#47
On April 24 2004 20:28 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
The problem with these threads, is that they are usually started by people who do not follow through with there apparent desire to prove a point. Maybe there is no point? The general habit of such threads is that a rather generic conservative claim will be made with no information, or even intelligence, to back it up. Then various forum members will begin to point out the fallacies in the givin claim, only to be followed by more generalized unbacked statements that usually follow along some unrational ideoligical nonsense that looks like it could be copy/pasted off of a transcript of a Hannity and Colmes episode. This will continue until the resident zealots are overwhelmed with information that they can not dispute, then they will stop responding until the thread disappears into the back pages of our little community. Of course, 3 weeks later the same thing will happen again. I don't think I have ever come across such hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people than I have in "debates" on this forum. This of course does not apply to everybody, but seems to be a pretty accurate description of what happens here.


well, thats internet discussions for you. arguing over something face to face with another individual in real life seldom ends this way ( I am not counting politicians here ).
but on the other hand, if we were to back up every opinion we have with a vast and foolproof amount of evidence nothing would be said. and no, I dont think the members of this fine forum is any more "hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people" compared to other forums. people obviously have a need to vent their opinions on these matters, I dont think anyone here seriously wants or thinks that they can convert readers of their posts to their belief. but hey, who cares, I find it fascinating that people have strong views on topics as divergent as the "iraqi war" to "how to save the dolphins".

well, my long rant was supposed to end with a nice finish containing messages of love and pink teddybears.. nah, I'll just go play some bw
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Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
April 25 2004 02:23 GMT
#48
On April 24 2004 17:28 MrIncognito wrote:
Finding 5 guys who love Bush in the military is not that hard. The fact that a few people are willing to give such quotes does not constitute evidence.


A large majority of the military votes Republican. Their absentee ballots are what gave Bush the official margin of 500+ votes in Florida.
Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
April 25 2004 02:26 GMT
#49
On April 25 2004 09:58 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
military culture is like........ u not supposed to have a political opinion, not judge the president at all. try not to think about it, because u have to back him no matter what. its harder to do this with bush than other presidents i think. afghanistan make sense.. iraq.. um. not horrible idea but the reasonings/policiess were insulting to anyone who was listening. im surprised some ppl are so inspired by bush reading a teleprompter now and then that they will believe anything he says years after 9/11. i didnt realize usa had so many ppl like that. i suppose fox news is helping them


Kerry support the war on Iraq as well as Bush. Maybe if you watched a little Fox News you wouldn't have forgotten that.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
April 25 2004 02:31 GMT
#50
On April 25 2004 11:23 Countdown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2004 17:28 MrIncognito wrote:
Finding 5 guys who love Bush in the military is not that hard. The fact that a few people are willing to give such quotes does not constitute evidence.


A large majority of the military votes Republican. Their absentee ballots are what gave Bush the official margin of 500+ votes in Florida.


along with florida not recognizing thousands of black voters due to illegal requirements
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Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
April 25 2004 02:34 GMT
#51
On April 25 2004 11:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2004 11:23 Countdown wrote:
On April 24 2004 17:28 MrIncognito wrote:
Finding 5 guys who love Bush in the military is not that hard. The fact that a few people are willing to give such quotes does not constitute evidence.


A large majority of the military votes Republican. Their absentee ballots are what gave Bush the official margin of 500+ votes in Florida.


along with florida not recognizing thousands of black voters due to illegal requirements


hehe. you watched that documentary to? I just saw it last friday. Did you do any research or just buy into everything they said?
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
April 25 2004 02:40 GMT
#52
Did you do any research


Did you?
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
April 25 2004 02:43 GMT
#53
On April 25 2004 11:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Show nested quote +
Did you do any research


Did you?


yes, did you?
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
April 25 2004 02:45 GMT
#54
On April 25 2004 10:17 karelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2004 20:28 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
The problem with these threads, is that they are usually started by people who do not follow through with there apparent desire to prove a point. Maybe there is no point? The general habit of such threads is that a rather generic conservative claim will be made with no information, or even intelligence, to back it up. Then various forum members will begin to point out the fallacies in the givin claim, only to be followed by more generalized unbacked statements that usually follow along some unrational ideoligical nonsense that looks like it could be copy/pasted off of a transcript of a Hannity and Colmes episode. This will continue until the resident zealots are overwhelmed with information that they can not dispute, then they will stop responding until the thread disappears into the back pages of our little community. Of course, 3 weeks later the same thing will happen again. I don't think I have ever come across such hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people than I have in "debates" on this forum. This of course does not apply to everybody, but seems to be a pretty accurate description of what happens here.


well, thats internet discussions for you. arguing over something face to face with another individual in real life seldom ends this way ( I am not counting politicians here ).
but on the other hand, if we were to back up every opinion we have with a vast and foolproof amount of evidence nothing would be said. and no, I dont think the members of this fine forum is any more "hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people" compared to other forums. people obviously have a need to vent their opinions on these matters, I dont think anyone here seriously wants or thinks that they can convert readers of their posts to their belief. but hey, who cares, I find it fascinating that people have strong views on topics as divergent as the "iraqi war" to "how to save the dolphins".

well, my long rant was supposed to end with a nice finish containing messages of love and pink teddybears.. nah, I'll just go play some bw


I personally find that internet discussions have the potential to be more productive than face to face discussions, especially when complicated issues are involved. It's just easier when stuff is written out and you can refer to a person's long argument without having first to try to understand what he's saying (most people I know write better than they speak) and then keep all of it in your head at once. That said, "discussions" with idiots are unproductive regardless of the medium.
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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-25 02:48:33
April 25 2004 02:48 GMT
#55
I read about the issue fairly extensively before I say the documentary(I assume we are talking about Unprecedent: the 2000 elections). The documentary was a good summary of much of what I had already read. You insuniate that the documentary was misleading, what have you read that shows this?
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
April 25 2004 03:32 GMT
#56
On April 24 2004 11:21 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:"To come out and work with you guys every day, it's a good feeling," Pinkley, 26, told his 101st Airborne Division buddies during the ceremony earlier this month. His wife, Kimberly, watched with a smile, their toddler in her arms."


I have a hangover kinda... I almost defiled my keyboard reading this.

-Mynock
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
April 25 2004 03:32 GMT
#57
supporting bush before his first term will be a bit different than supporting him after all of his actions and such. bush promised to give military the benefits and pay they deserve sorta.. i think theyve been disappointed mostly. sory i dont know the details but it has to do with pensions and disability and salaries and shit like that
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-25 03:53:49
April 25 2004 03:52 GMT
#58
the details


edit: *warning* Truth may anger some.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
taeWook
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1367 Posts
April 25 2004 04:02 GMT
#59
On April 25 2004 12:52 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
the details


edit: *warning* Truth may anger some.


I'm not suprised, considering our government lies to us about everything, especially about 9/11.
keep your friends close but your enemies closer.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-25 04:05:43
April 25 2004 04:02 GMT
#60
i know they want to close a base near where i live so they are closing the hospital first because it costs too much to keep open. kind of fucked up if u ask me.

as for that link ive seen more infos than that really, i expected more. i suppose some veterans organization probably has a good list of gripes against bush's policies.
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