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Articles that rely on anecdotal evidence are garbage. Finding 5 guys who love Bush in the military is not that hard. The fact that a few people are willing to give such quotes does not constitute evidence.
The only piece of information in the entire article is that retention rates have exceeded pentagon goals. This in itsself can be misleading though, especially if the Pentagon factored a large dip in recruiting into its goals.
I honestly have no clue what the mood of our armed forces are, but this article is clearly propagandistic.
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Canada5062 Posts
On April 24 2004 14:31 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 14:20 GooDGaMe[cF] wrote: On April 24 2004 14:17 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: war on iraq is war on terror? misleading propaganda. :/ Words of wisdom. Read Rich Clarke's book if you haven't, really opened my eyes o_o. That book was such trash. Most of his insinuations were falsified not only by this administration and the previous administration, but by his own contradicting words. We've been over Clarke's lies that were created just to sell his book, so I won't continue to go over that, but suffice it so say the man is a lying conniving opportunist capitalizing on the politicization of 9/11 by the Democrats and the media.
Don't they teach you in school not to talk about books you haven't actually read?
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Austin10831 Posts
Assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
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United States3552 Posts
The problem with these threads, is that they are usually started by people who do not follow through with there apparent desire to prove a point. Maybe there is no point? The general habit of such threads is that a rather generic conservative claim will be made with no information, or even intelligence, to back it up. Then various forum members will begin to point out the fallacies in the givin claim, only to be followed by more generalized unbacked statements that usually follow along some unrational ideoligical nonsense that looks like it could be copy/pasted off of a transcript of a Hannity and Colmes episode. This will continue until the resident zealots are overwhelmed with information that they can not dispute, then they will stop responding until the thread disappears into the back pages of our little community. Of course, 3 weeks later the same thing will happen again. I don't think I have ever come across such hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people than I have in "debates" on this forum. This of course does not apply to everybody, but seems to be a pretty accurate description of what happens here.
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United States3552 Posts
I wonder how these guys feel about re-enlisting:
Soldiers
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On April 24 2004 20:59 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I wonder how these guys feel about re-enlisting: Soldiers
One story that hasn't seen much press are the 2,000 suicides by US military personel and the 600 troops who went AWOL - both at rates ~double the normal for the military. Whatever the mood of the troops, war takes a horrible psychological toll, and the reality on the ground is far more horrific than any of the news coverage I've seen here in the US.
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United States3552 Posts
One story that hasn't seen much press are the 2,000 suicides by US military personel and the 600 troops who went AWOL - both at rates ~double the normal for the military. Whatever the mood of the troops, war takes a horrible psychological toll, and the reality on the ground is far more horrific than any of the news coverage I've seen here in the US.
Plus, the news about the effect DU has had on our soldiers. Plus, the several incidents of soldiers coming home and mudering there wives. Plus, ...... What are we doing to these kids?
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On April 24 2004 14:31 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 14:20 GooDGaMe[cF] wrote: On April 24 2004 14:17 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: war on iraq is war on terror? misleading propaganda. :/ Words of wisdom. Read Rich Clarke's book if you haven't, really opened my eyes o_o. That book was such trash. Most of his insinuations were falsified not only by this administration and the previous administration, but by his own contradicting words. We've been over Clarke's lies that were created just to sell his book, so I won't continue to go over that, but suffice it so say the man is a lying conniving opportunist capitalizing on the politicization of 9/11 by the Democrats and the media.
Oh man. The democrats politicized 9/11?
Is that why republican candidates are using it to get them re-elected? Is that why republicans used it to pass laws that never would have passed otherwise? Is that why republicans are using it in politics? Because only democrats are doing it?
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United States3552 Posts
Its like shooting a lazor into a black hole.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On April 24 2004 14:35 Excalibur_Z wrote: And another thing - I just wanted to point out the terrible bias on this forum on the part of the moderators. This is mainly Rekrul but there may be others so I apologize if I cast blame at one where multiple people are at fault. The bias is very simple - any news that benefits America, or its foreign or domestic policy, any proven points that benefit the Presidential administration, are always ALWAYS taken down swiftly. However on the flip side, anti-American threads routinely get above 100 replies and are almost never closed. Why is this so? Is equality really such a stretch here that pro-America news must be censored?
Don't be retarded. I don't close Pro-America threads because they are Pro-America. I close them because they are threads poorly opened with no real purpose.
The fact that I am American should show you that I'm closing them for non-biased reasons.
Please dig up and show me some threads that "should" have stayed open in your opinion, and I will respond in turn to rape you verbally!
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United States12237 Posts
No that says nothing. In the past you have proclaimed your anti-American sentiment on these forums. So you have demonstrated a bias against America - it doesn't matter if you are American or not because there are plenty of people that live here that hate this country, the bias is still evident.
As a matter of fact this most recent statement of yours proves this: "I close them because they are threads poorly opened with no real purpose." Yeah, in your opinion =[
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it's such a huge coincidence that pro-bush-policies (dont deserve to call them pro-american, more like pro-pseudo-patriotism-neo-facism) are generally too inept to do anything in an argument other than get the thread closed
and only retards end their posts w insults and ad homonems
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On April 24 2004 20:19 BroOd wrote: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. john travolta is the mother of all fuckups.
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On April 25 2004 00:16 TranCe wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 20:19 BroOd wrote: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. john travolta is the mother of all fuckups.
Unless you've watched Scarface, and The Punisher - be quiet.
Trance come back to my loving arms.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On April 24 2004 20:28 TeCh)PsylO wrote: The problem with these threads, is that they are usually started by people who do not follow through with there apparent desire to prove a point. Maybe there is no point? The general habit of such threads is that a rather generic conservative claim will be made with no information, or even intelligence, to back it up. Then various forum members will begin to point out the fallacies in the givin claim, only to be followed by more generalized unbacked statements that usually follow along some unrational ideoligical nonsense that looks like it could be copy/pasted off of a transcript of a Hannity and Colmes episode. This will continue until the resident zealots are overwhelmed with information that they can not dispute, then they will stop responding until the thread disappears into the back pages of our little community. Of course, 3 weeks later the same thing will happen again. I don't think I have ever come across such hard headed, stubborn, ignorant, gullible, and foolish people than I have in "debates" on this forum. This of course does not apply to everybody, but seems to be a pretty accurate description of what happens here.
never has something i thought been put down in words so well.
when will people learn that anti-bush/anti-bush policies does not equal anti-american.
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"it doesn't matter if you are American or not because there are plenty of people that live here that hate this country"
People who don't support Bush don't necessarily hate their country. I assume that is what you must mean because there are very few Americans in America who hate America.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On April 24 2004 23:00 Excalibur_Z wrote: No that says nothing. In the past you have proclaimed your anti-American sentiment on these forums. So you have demonstrated a bias against America - it doesn't matter if you are American or not because there are plenty of people that live here that hate this country, the bias is still evident.
As a matter of fact this most recent statement of yours proves this: "I close them because they are threads poorly opened with no real purpose." Yeah, in your opinion =[
Come on Excal lets see some examples! Maybe it's just in YOUR opinion that they were closed poorly! Ever think of that buddy?
Gogog links to topics plz ! ! !
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 24 2004 20:19 BroOd wrote: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. '-Don't you know assumption is the brother of all fuckups? -Mother, not brother. -What? -You said brother of all fuckups -So what, brother, mother any other fuckah
God I love lock stock and two smoking barrels ;(
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On April 24 2004 14:35 Excalibur_Z wrote: And another thing - I just wanted to point out the terrible bias on this forum on the part of the moderators. This is mainly Rekrul but there may be others so I apologize if I cast blame at one where multiple people are at fault. The bias is very simple - any news that benefits America, or its foreign or domestic policy, any proven points that benefit the Presidential administration, are always ALWAYS taken down swiftly. However on the flip side, anti-American threads routinely get above 100 replies and are almost never closed. Why is this so? Is equality really such a stretch here that pro-America news must be censored?
Not for nothing, but most people I talk to who are actively questioning the war on terror and the motivations of the current Administration strike me as very "pro-America". I think one of the most patriotic things you can do is to constantly analyze the issues by gathering information and discussing the ins and outs with others. Knee-jerk acceptance of anything without soul-searching, and a refusal to listen to reasoned debate based on facts, would be pretty close to my definition of "unpatriotic".
I'd be interested to hear which chapter(s) of Clarke's book Excal had the biggest problems with. I have a copy of it but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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"To come out and work with you guys every day, it's a good feeling," Pinkley, 26, told his 101st Airborne Division buddies during the ceremony earlier this month. His wife, Kimberly, watched with a smile, their toddler in her arms.
yea right.
Escalibur, who is the real patriot? The one who points the wrong doings of its government or the one who mindlessly agree just to be loyal(to the government;not loyal in general ofc). Seems to me you belong in the latter group; I leave it to you to decide what is better. Go Rekrul!
Ps. patriotism is just bs anyway. Its utterly stupid imo to love your country because its your country. If you are intent on loving a country you love it for its actions and doings.
PPs. To me, loving a country seems more superficial than loving Backstreet boys.
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