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travis- it sad that your intelligence and fervor is so misguided. You must understand that we allow BP and all of the other oil industries to exist right? it is our demand for the oil that allows these corporations to go out and drill for it in the first place. Secondly it is becuase of this endless demand that oil companies are forced to drill in more and more inhospitable places. Of course a single little mistake can have devastating consequences when you are forced to drill at the bottom of the ocean. Stop blaming the companies that are forced to drill there because of the demand we placed on them.
So before you go blaming the big bad corps- ask yourself this: How and Why do they exist in the first place? If you didn't have the demand for oil- those corps would never be there, ever.
And lastly, it doesn't matter if you try and bankrupt BP and have them clean up the mess. That is a pointless endeavor. America and the rest of the world will still guzzle gallons and gallons of crude despite this incident. BP will rebound within the next few years anyway. So instead of blaming a corporate entity- you should turn instead to all of the oil dependent nations.
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On June 02 2010 02:38 Misrah wrote:
travis- it sad that your intelligence and fervor is so misguided. You must understand that we allow BP and all of the other oil industries to exist right? it is our demand for the oil that allows these corporations to go out and drill for it in the first place. Secondly it is becuase of this endless demand that oil companies are forced to drill in more and more inhospitable places. Of course a single little mistake can have devastating consequences when you are forced to drill at the bottom of the ocean. Stop blaming the companies that are forced to drill there because of the demand we placed on them.
I disagree. Firstly, they are the ones that get the oil. They make the profit. They decided to drill offshore. The public did not. There is already plenty of oil and we should be moving towards alternate fuel sources faster and we should have been doing it a LONG LONG TIME AGO. The reason we didn't? Oil companies stifled alternate fuel companies! They'd buy them out, buy their patents. They had no interested in alternate fuel because oil is and was where the money is at.
So before you go blaming the big bad corps- ask yourself this: How and Why do they exist in the first place? If you didn't have the demand for oil- those corps would never be there, ever.
I can only speak for myself, but this argument doesn't work for me. I don't use oil. Maybe I do with some sort of degrees of separation between me and it, but that really isn't any sort of conscious choice on my part.
And lastly, it doesn't matter if you try and bankrupt BP and have them clean up the mess. That is a pointless endeavor. America and the rest of the world will still guzzle gallons and gallons of crude despite this incident. BP will rebound within the next few years anyway. So instead of blaming a corporate entity- you should turn instead to all of the oil dependent nations.
what are you talking about? It doesn't matter if they clean up the spill? I don't care if they bankrupt or not, what I care about is that they clean up the mess they make.
and finally, this WAS the fault of the corporations involved. they skimmed on safety to save money. so this is directly their fault.
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Travis stop lying to yourself. You live in the US. You are dependent on oil in millions of ways. MILLIONS! Secondly, 'green' energy is a joke- and there is nothing that we have currently that can compare to the efficiency of oil and other fossil fuels (except maybe nuclear).
You clearly don't understand what i am talking about. You are the root cause of why the oil companies are drilling out there in the first place. You facilitate the demand, and buy their products. Don't place all of the blame on BP when you are still buying and using their products every single day.
Like i said travis, your a smart guy- but misguided. Green energy and 'alternate' energy sources are not efficient enough to give us the power we need. The oil companies would not stifle an idea that actually had clout. IE- nuclear power. And no oil is where the money is now- but not for long. It is my and your demand that keeps the oil companies around, and drilling in really inhospitable places. get off your high horse and realize that you are just as much of the problem as me, and the oil companies.
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On June 02 2010 02:54 Misrah wrote:
Travis stop lying to yourself. You live in the US. You are dependent on oil in millions of ways.
as i said, there are degrees of separation there that i have no control over and no say in. I absolutely do not make conscious decisions to use/support oil companies.
MILLIONS! Secondly, 'green' energy is a joke- and there is nothing that we have currently that can compare to the efficiency of oil and other fossil fuels (except maybe nuclear).
and why do u think that is, that we haven't came up with anything else. I already addressed this. have you seen "who killed the electric car"? It isn't the only example.
You clearly don't understand what i am talking about. You are the root cause of why the oil companies are drilling out there in the first place. You facilitate the demand, and buy their products. Don't place all of the blame on BP when you are still buying and using their products every single day.
and as I said, I don't directly support them. I absolutely don't buy their products. I do not drive a car. I do not use gasoline. Sure I buy fruits and vegetables and meat and gas is used to transport it, but honestly, wtf would u have me do? That doesn't mean I support it. I have to eat food.
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Also I would like to say that it should be up to the fuel companies to change, and not just the public. The responsibility lies with them as much as us. If anything, more. How is the public supposed to just "up and stop using oil" ?
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Ok travis think about it this way:
you are using a computer- plastic, same with your mouse, mouse pad, cords, and ohh ya- then entire internet is plastic. all of those connections have to be covered in something you know? don't forget SCBW CD is silicone with plastic...
When you get a car (and you will) that will be plastic, the wheels will be rubber, and it will use petrol
You are heating your house- gas / coal / what have you
Your pens and plastic
Your house is plastic
Your sports equipment is plastic
Your tooth Brush is plastic
All of the food you eat is transported with petroleum fueled vehicles
The food that you eat is packaged in plastic
Some of your plates and eating utensils are plastic
Your bike is plastic / wheels, and your aluminum frame was created using tons of petrol.
Lets also not forget that even if you get an electric car- most of that car and the components are plastic, and the electricity used by the car is created with some sort of fossil fuel. Hell even the power lines needed to power your care are coated in plastic.
I should not have to explain this to you. You directly support their products travis- you live in the US and you wear sneakers, and wear jeans sorry  If you don't want to- then go live in the woods and get a tent (but make sure the tent is 100% cotton) You and I have 0 degrees of separation. Between us and oil there is not a single bit of difference. The conspiracy of the electric car is really funny. You need to look at the big picture, and not base all of your conclusions off a single conspiracy vid you saw.
Follow the money. In a free market (which is the US) the money always goes back to the consumer. You and I. So sorry my friend. Living in the 1st world, and in the US especially gives you 0 degrees of separation.
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On June 02 2010 03:11 travis wrote:
Also I would like to say that it should be up to the fuel companies to change, and not just the public. The responsibility lies with them as much as us. If anything, more. How is the public supposed to just "up and stop using oil" ?
Once again we allow for those corps to exist in the first place. It is the public, because the public funds them. If we stopped using any plastic- they would be gone in a week. And no the public is not supposed to stop using oil. We are dependent on it- and our standard of living revolves around plastic. If you want to make a change, then go back out to the woods, sharpen your wooden spear and become a hunter gatherer.
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On June 02 2010 03:11 travis wrote:
Also I would like to say that it should be up to the fuel companies to change, and not just the public. The responsibility lies with them as much as us. If anything, more. How is the public supposed to just "up and stop using oil" ?
And likewise, how is a publicly traded company that has shareholders to report to supposed to just 'up and stop making money'?
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you could buy only locally grown food, live out of a cardboard box, etcetc
anyway, i agree with misrah in a lot of ways, except i would phrase it in less alarmist terms. things are how they are, a bad thing happened, not necessarily a reason to attack the entire system but certainly a motivation to change a few things about it
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BP is using corexit to disperse the oil under water, so that it doesnt look as scary to the public eye and so that it is easier to keep people calm and deceive them. they use this dispersant despite knowing that its banned from use in the UK. they use corexit despite other dispersants being less dangerous, because they had a large amount of it lying around, and a former board member of BP is sitting on the board of nalco, the producer of corexit that bp bought it from.
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i dunno maybe u can put 2 and 2 together or maybe you think dick cheney was a good thing for the USA
hiring dick cheney's spokesperson for their PR is like saying "fuck you" to the common people of the USA. the thing is they are too stupid to realize it.
i mean, seriously, ur reply to me is "so what?"
did u even read the article? it explains "so what" and why it might be distasteful for them to choose that person for PR, since for some reason that isn't obvious.
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i was just reading up on the supposed fixes that BP has attempted and it sounds alot like they aren't trying to cap the well on purpose, and instead delay and find a way to still make the well useful.
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"A blogger at the liberal web site Daily Kos notes that BP was reportedly among one of the companies that Cheney met with."
Travis- you must be joking me? that source- takes it source from an un named blogger, from a liberal website lol.
Secondly, I say again- so what? so the same spokeswomen for big C is now speaking for BP. I don't get it? Please enlighten me on the causation that i am supposedly missing.
Lastly, Cheneys PR rep is not Cheney. The fact that you are trying to tell me that Cheney is an evil man with horns on his head leads me to believe that i was in fact giving you far to much credit for your intelligence. How is this PR rep shift a big FU to america?
Travis, it sounds like you really have a big misunderstanding of politics..... you read a single thing and are instantly swayed. Don't tell me you actually believe the stuff they feed you on the news?
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On May 31 2010 01:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:44 micronesia wrote:
I agree with you that we have several reasons to be pissed at BP and possibly at how they have been regulated... but I don't think the fact that they are or are not making money during this fiasco is anywhere near as big a deal as the others. really so you think it's fine that they are profiting during their fuckup, while tons of livelihoods are destroyed? would it be fair if there was gold under your house that they were entitled to, so they burn down your house. then they take the gold and rebuild your house HALFWAY, leaving with massive profits? this is the best analogy I can come up with but come on don't you see what i am saying? this is bp's fuckup(in conjunction with the other invested interests), they should be paying for EVERYTHING.
reminded me of avatar lol
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On June 02 2010 11:51 Misrah wrote:
"A blogger at the liberal web site Daily Kos notes that BP was reportedly among one of the companies that Cheney met with."
Travis- you must be joking me? that source- takes it source from an un named blogger, from a liberal website lol.
Secondly, I say again- so what? so the same spokeswomen for big C is now speaking for BP. I don't get it? Please enlighten me on the causation that i am supposedly missing.
Lastly, Cheneys PR rep is not Cheney. The fact that you are trying to tell me that Cheney is an evil man with horns on his head leads me to believe that i was in fact giving you far to much credit for your intelligence. How is this PR rep shift a big FU to america?
Travis, it sounds like you really have a big misunderstanding of politics..... you read a single thing and are instantly swayed. Don't tell me you actually believe the stuff they feed you on the news? its not like cheney has to have anything to do with bp in order to be the complete douche that he is though.
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On Wednesday, film director and deep-sea explorer James Cameron said that BP had turned down his offer to help combat the massive spill.
"Over the last few weeks I've watched, as we all have, with growing horror and heartache, watching what's happening in the Gulf and thinking those morons don't know what they're doing," Cameron said at the All Things Digital technology conference.
Cameron, the director of "The Abyss," "Titanic" and "Avatar," has worked extensively with robot submarines and is considered an expert in undersea filming. He did not say explicitly who he meant when he referred to "those morons."
His comments came a day after he participated in a meeting at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency headquarters in Washington to "brainstorm" solutions to the oil spill.
updating this post because it's the only post discussing BP
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oh, and to the guy who asked if i was serious that i said they may have to nuke the oil leak
yes, I was serious.
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Why is your op gone? and what are we going to talk about now. I thought that we were having a good conversation... Also how was that not on topic?
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