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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 03 2010 19:43 GMT
#101
While the blog was supposed to be opinionated i didn't want the entire thing to turn into a discussion of my opinions. Besides my OP had about 5 minutes of thought put into it.

I really didn't want to reply any further to your "so what". If you think that them putting cheney's PR person in for their PR deserves a "so what" reply then I don't really want to bother anymore with that. You even go on to criticize the sources like they have anything to do with anything. It's either fact or it isn't.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 03 2010 19:59 GMT
#102
Nothing is ever fact, and nothing is ever capital T true. Its always a matter of how you look at it. That source was a joke and you know it travis. I call it into question, because you cannot believe everything you see or hear, especially on the internet. I say 'So what' because i mean exactly that- so what! how does this stop the oil, how does this change what BP is doing? How does this make the environmental disaster any less terrible. How does this change anything??

If you post your opinions, especially political ones- coupled with that your heated resolve, of course this is going to delve into discussions about your opinion. Because in my opinion, your opinion is incorrect. I am having an intelligent conversation with you becuase i want to show you that your opinion is wrong, and mine is right. That is why anyone argues...
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 20:28:39
June 03 2010 20:27 GMT
#103
On June 04 2010 04:59 Misrah wrote:
Nothing is ever fact, and nothing is ever capital T true. Its always a matter of how you look at it. That source was a joke and you know it travis. I call it into question, because you cannot believe everything you see or hear, especially on the internet.


it would take like 5 seconds to verify the story, source has nothing to do with it. saying "lol nice source" is crap idiots do to undermine points people try to make. I have had to deal with that sooo much and it makes me want to slap people. Who gives a shit what the source is if the information is correct. Now I could understand you complaining about the source if 1.) it wasn't easily verifiable or 2.) it sounds like bullshit (or both). But did it? Was it not easily verifiable? Type "bp spokesperson" into google and see what happens.


I say 'So what' because i mean exactly that- so what! how does this stop the oil, how does this change what BP is doing? How does this make the environmental disaster any less terrible. How does this change anything??


I never said it changed anything about the actual spill. However it says loads about BP.


If you post your opinions, especially political ones- coupled with that your heated resolve, of course this is going to delve into discussions about your opinion. Because in my opinion, your opinion is incorrect. I am having an intelligent conversation with you becuase i want to show you that your opinion is wrong, and mine is right. That is why anyone argues...


This is why I edited the OP. I want the discussion to be about more than my opinions. It was my fault for starting the discussion that way in the first place. While I do enjoy debating shit with people, no one is posting any sort of news on this topic or even discussing it and quite frankly that is ridiculous.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
June 04 2010 07:07 GMT
#104
Moment of silence for da birds.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
June 04 2010 07:12 GMT
#105


There no way to undo this. And to think the people who are to blame for this are just going to walk away with their pockets full of money. Infuriating.
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Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 05 2010 06:16 GMT
#106
all the pretty reefs i used to swim on- are now destroyed

I really just want to cry
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Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 12:40:12
June 05 2010 12:35 GMT
#107
Looking at those birds really makes me sad. Fuck BP and whoever else let this happen. I wish they would just be ordered by a judge or something to use all their money to fucking fix this shit, it's so sickening.

Whoever else is affiliated with this shit should also be ordered to do whatever they can to clean up the environment and fix this mess, whether that means going into bankruptcy. Many people go into bankruptcy, whether it be for poor decision making or just bad luck. Regardless, some people are dumb, and some people are neglectful. Those that were involved with this should be made an example out of so that precautions are taken to make sure it never happens on this scale again.
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
June 05 2010 12:36 GMT
#108
On June 05 2010 15:16 Misrah wrote:
all the pretty reefs i used to swim on- are now destroyed

I really just want to cry

at least your not covered in sludge.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 05 2010 15:40 GMT
#109
true- but i once enjoyed swimming with all of the fish and looking at the coral- that is no longer going to be there
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exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
July 23 2010 12:49 GMT
#110
I had to stop doing everything i did because something caught my attention:
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 14:30:04
January 10 2011 14:28 GMT
#111
BUMPBUMP

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2010/12/20101230105158700342.html

"Illnesses linked to BP Oil Disaster"

Highlights:
Dr. Soto is finding disconcertingly consistent and high levels of toxic chemicals in every one of the patients he is testing.

"I'm regularly finding between five and seven VOCs in my patients," Dr. Soto told Al Jazeera. "These patients include people not directly involved in the oil clean-up, as well as residents that do not live right on the coast. These are clearly related to the oil disaster."



Many of the chemicals present in the oil and dispersants are known to cause headaches, nausea, vomiting, kidney damage, altered renal functions, irritation of the digestive tract, lung damage, burning pain in the nose and throat, coughing, pulmonary edema, cancer, lack of muscle coordination, dizziness, confusion, irritation of the skin, eyes, nose, and throat, difficulty breathing, delayed reaction time, memory difficulties, stomach discomfort, liver and kidney damage, unconsciousness, tiredness/lethargy, irritation of the upper respiratory tract, and hematological disorders.

While there are many examples of acute exposures like Pearcey and Dr. Soto's patient who developed cancer, his concern is that most residents who are being exposed will only show symptoms later.


the worst of it, in my opinion:

State health departments in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama had issued swimming advisories while BP's well continued to gush oil into the Gulf of Mexico last summer. Since then, however, all three states have declared their beaches, waters, and seafood safe from oil disaster related toxins.

Florida never issued any advisories, despite many residents reporting illnesses they attribute to the oil disaster.

US federal government agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency, Food and Drug Administration, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, along with President Barack Obama himself, have declared the Gulf of Mexico, its waters, beaches, and seafood, safe and open to the public.


Can somebody explain to me this knee-jerk "everything is OK"-ism? Why is government trying to reassure everybody that the coasts are safe, leaving them open? Have they consulted scientists about this? Health experts? Anybody? This isn't even a good strategy to cover their own asses, because closing down the beaches would've been a safer move had they actually been dangerous (SURPRISE, THEY WERE!!).

What the fuck?!?!?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2011 05:30 GMT
#112
Bumping due to latest discovery that BP caught lying once more:


WASHINGTON – Oil from the BP spill remains stuck on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, according to a top scientist's video and slides that she says demonstrate the oil isn't degrading as hoped and has decimated life on parts of the sea floor.

That report is at odds with a recent report by the BP spill compensation czar that said nearly all will be well by 2012.

At a science conference in Washington Saturday, marine scientist Samantha Joye of the University of Georgia aired early results of her December submarine dives around the BP spill site. She went to places she had visited in the summer and expected the oil and residue from oil-munching microbes would be gone by then. It wasn't.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 20 2011 05:36 GMT
#113
well i suppose it's not lying it's more like being incompetent i mean i don't know the science but from what i heard from scientist is that it would likely break up in that climate but ionno if that was just all bp's payroll or not. But right not as i do not live in the area i sorta of have just a malaise about the whole subject.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
February 20 2011 05:36 GMT
#114
Is it really all that surprising that a BP scientist lied to make BP look better? You can lump them together with the "balding" scientists on TV that say your hair will growback fuller and brighter with their shampoo.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2011 18:11 GMT
#115
The US Coast Guard is currently investigating reports of a potentially massive oil sheen 20 miles north of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion from last April.
According to Paul Barnard, operations controller for the USCG in Louisiana, a helicopter crew has been dispatched to the site of the Matterhorn SeaStar oil rig, owned by W&T Offshore, Inc.

Multiple reports have come in of a sheen nearly 100 miles long and 12 miles wide originating near the site.

Independent pilots, including John Wathen of the Waterkeeper Alliance, and Bonnie Schumaker with Wings of Care, are currently flying out to investigate the spill. Schumaker reports having seen the sheen on Friday, March 18, and confirms that it is rapidly expanding.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:03:53
March 20 2011 21:02 GMT
#116
Wow, that's terrible.
BP really doesn't seem to care about the enviroment
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
March 20 2011 21:05 GMT
#117
On March 21 2011 06:02 Aruni wrote:
Wow, that's terrible.
BP really doesn't seem to care about the enviroment


Hmph, good thing you edited out your tasteless Sheen "joke".

So, there's yet another spill? Oh wonderful, just when the ban on gulf drilling was lifited.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 20 2011 21:13 GMT
#118
This doesn't sound very good. I'm not too knowledgeable about stuff like this, but what does an oil sheen like that entail, and where does it originate from?
you gotta dance
Handuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden48 Posts
March 20 2011 22:25 GMT
#119
On February 20 2011 14:36 semantics wrote:
well i suppose it's not lying it's more like being incompetent i mean i don't know the science but from what i heard from scientist is that it would likely break up in that climate but ionno if that was just all bp's payroll or not. But right not as i do not live in the area i sorta of have just a malaise about the whole subject.

It becomes a bit more tricky when there's a good reward for being incompetent. Big companies make big money from scientific incertainty, as a scientist you might make a career from disagreeing with science that companies don't like. This is not a new thing, the tobacco industry fought long and hard to stop negative truths about smoking.
Don't expect profit maximizing organisations to be moral, the only moral they care about is the moral that reflects on their image since their image matters for business. Check out the Yes Men's "golden skeleton" to see the corporate view on environmental risks. While you're at it, check out everything that the Yes Men has done, they are awesome.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
November 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#120
I am so happy right now.

BP Plc has pleaded guilty to criminal charges relating to its 2010 oil spill and agreed to pay an extra $4.5bn on top of the tens of billions it is already paying out.

The British oil company said on Thursday that it would plead guilty to 11 felony counts of misconduct or neglect relating to the death of 11 workers, one misdemeanour count under the Clean Water Act, one misdemeanour count under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, and one felony count of obstruction of congress.

BP will also pay $525m to settle securities claims with US regulators. In aggregate BP said it will pay the
$4.5bn over six years for the various resolutions.

"There can be no question that this historic announcement represents a critical step forward, and really uderscores the justice department's determination to stand with the Gulf Coast communities," Eric Holder, US attorney general, said in New Orleans.

BP will have to retain a monitor for four years, charged with overseeing safety and ris management, as well an an independent auditor to ensure compliance with the terms of the agreement, he said.

The company said that it is "prepared to vigorously defend itself against remaining civil claims".

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/11/201211151556362973.html
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