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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 22:10:17
May 17 2010 22:04 GMT
#21
God damn, I haven't listened to Elliot Smith in so long. He's amazing, I love Either/Or, then probably Roman Candle.

Gonna go listen to him now!

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samurai ninja
Profile Joined August 2008
United States29 Posts
May 17 2010 22:08 GMT
#22
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 17 2010 22:20 GMT
#23
I haven't listened to him a lot. He's featured in two of my favorite films, Paranoid Park and Good Will Hunting and the songs create an amazing mood. He reminds a lot of Nick Drake

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CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
May 17 2010 22:35 GMT
#24
I just posted part 2 and part 3 of 'A Strange Parallel' if anyone wants to watch it. It's a cool documentary with a bit of comedy in it, and is definitely a must watch for a big Elliott Smith fan.
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
May 17 2010 22:39 GMT
#25
Elliott Smith was such an influential music artist. I must say i will always love his song Pitseleh.

Firebathero is still the best!
CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
May 17 2010 22:58 GMT
#26
On May 18 2010 07:39 Sprite wrote:
Elliott Smith was such an influential music artist. I must say i will always love his song Pitseleh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMeEtUCq54

Yea, that's my dad's favorite song lol
My whole family is big on Elliott Smith.. we love his music
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
SultanVinegar
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States372 Posts
May 17 2010 23:07 GMT
#27
Figure 8 is the best album of all time.
I'm a Flash man.
CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
May 17 2010 23:13 GMT
#28
I'm surprised at how many StarCraft players love Elliott Smith. It's only been a couple hours and already a lot of responses o.o
I wasn't expecting that.
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 23:30:45
May 17 2010 23:28 GMT
#29
On May 18 2010 06:49 s.a.y wrote:
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On May 18 2010 06:46 mrmin123 wrote:
Related topic: Nick Drake

edit: I probably should add more to this... Elliot Smith is nice and if you're looking for something similar be sure to check out Nick Drake.


i feel that Nick Drake has better instrumental playing, but Smith has amazing lyrics


Eh, both wrote great lyrics. Drake's lyrics are often clearer and more universal, where as Smith's are introverted and personal. Smith generally uses more chord changes than Drake, and while the technique required to play some of Drake's songs can be very high, a lot of them are actually pretty easy. They certainly had one thing in common, though: they both wrote beautiful music.
meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
May 17 2010 23:29 GMT
#30
+1 on that one quote about his approach to song writing. That seriously changed my life//how i write my little tunes.
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CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 23:39:58
May 17 2010 23:37 GMT
#31
On May 18 2010 08:28 NeVeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2010 06:49 s.a.y wrote:
On May 18 2010 06:46 mrmin123 wrote:
Related topic: Nick Drake

edit: I probably should add more to this... Elliot Smith is nice and if you're looking for something similar be sure to check out Nick Drake.


i feel that Nick Drake has better instrumental playing, but Smith has amazing lyrics


Eh, both wrote great lyrics. Drake's lyrics are often clearer and more universal, where as Smith's are introverted and personal. Smith generally uses more chord changes than Drake, and while the technique required to play some of Drake's songs can be very high, a lot of them are actually pretty easy. They certainly had one thing in common, though: they both wrote beautiful music.


I agree with this post. I actually like Nick Drakes lyrics a lot, though I do like Elliott's probably a little more... Nick Drake's writing style (as far as phrasing and lyrics goes) was very, very different from almost everything I had heard prior to it, and I like that. Also, he incorporates nature into many of his songs as metaphors, which you will find is typically not so successful in music nowadays, but in his case, he executed it very well.

P.S. to meteorskunk - Thanks! That quote really helped me out a lot... it helped me to loosen up and just enjoy myself with song writing... I also love what he mentioned in that interview about how important creativity and love for music is...
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 23:56:37
May 17 2010 23:40 GMT
#32
Great song writer. I particularly love waltz #4, high times, and pretty mary k (new moon other version). Thanks for inspiring to put him on my playlist again



Damn what a song. This live version is my favorite. Christian brothers. I just see his life's dedication in this performance. Subtle but so powerful.
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CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
May 18 2010 00:07 GMT
#33
On May 18 2010 08:40 alexpnd wrote:
Great song writer. I particularly love waltz #4, high times, and pretty mary k (new moon other version). Thanks for inspiring to put him on my playlist again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEbIZbX3v6g

Damn what a song. This live version is my favorite. Christian brothers. I just see his life's dedication in this performance. Subtle but so powerful.

I like how that song progresses.. I also like the alternative Pretty Mary K... It's kind of weird to play on the guitar..Though I know the chords, I can't play it perfectly , and have yet to figure out exactly how he finger picks the notes.. But it's a really cool song that I want to learn to play all the way through... You seriously can learn a lot from listening to his music.
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 00:37:17
May 18 2010 00:35 GMT
#34
i've just always had issues with suicidals... even hendrix (who killed himself with drugs due to inability to go beyond his current musical plateau) .
CtrLZerG
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 00:50:08
May 18 2010 00:48 GMT
#35
On May 18 2010 09:35 omninmo wrote:
i've just always had issues with suicidals... even hendrix (who killed himself with drugs due to inability to go beyond his current musical plateau) .

Well the thing we are admiring is his music and song writing ability. And hendrix killed himself on accident... He was given a different kind of sleeping pill than he was used to(in fact several times stronger), and he didn't think it would be wrong to take a couple extra pills, despite the fact he had alcohol. It was also his first break he had... and he just wanted to sleep. The investigation showed that it was almost certainly accidental. And I wouldn't come to conclusions about reasoning behind him killing himself even if he did... Hendrix was only around for 3 years, and he was incredibly progressive.
As for Elliott Smith, he had a lot of problems... I wouldn't want to live the life he did. What he had to deal with was much more than most of us could even shallowly understand. Reasoning behind suicidal thoughts can be incredibly sudden, and though he deteriorated over time, it could have been a sudden reaction that led him to making such a rash decision... After all, though he was depressed, he wasn't very suicidal until the year 1998... That is apparently when he openly admitted that he tried to commit suicide, though he didn't want to talk about it much. After that, though, he seemed to have recovered some what... going to rehab, fixing his life up... then suddenly in 2003, he slipped into a deep depression and killed himself. It's hard to say what leads up to such things... but who knows. The point of this thread is not to discuss something we can't possibly understand. It's to admire his song writing ability and the music he wrote while he was alive.
In case you are wondering, source is Wikipedia.org
"If you write what you like, there's got to be something good about it, because you liked it" - Elliott Smith "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
May 18 2010 01:40 GMT
#36
For some people, the risk for suicide can be highest when starting to feel better. Psychological problems like depression can be really paralyzing and numbing and cause a lot of apathy and, well, depression. In other words, a bunch of things that lead to inaction. If those symptoms are lifted before suicidal ideation is gone, then risk goes up. Elliott was getting healthy in 2003.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
May 18 2010 01:43 GMT
#37
In my opinion, he's just an average musician propelled to fame by his tragic death
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 18 2010 01:44 GMT
#38
Is it even sure it was a suicide?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 01:47:57
May 18 2010 01:46 GMT
#39
On May 18 2010 10:43 Miss_Cleo wrote:
In my opinion, he's just an average musician propelled to fame by his tragic death

Then you've got some things to work out about time and shit cuz he was pretty famous when he was alive. He played a song at the Oscars :o

On May 18 2010 10:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Is it even sure it was a suicide?

I think the investigation never completely confirmed it, no. It could've been homicide but they weren't anywhere near proving that either.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
May 18 2010 01:52 GMT
#40
He's extremely enjoyable to listen to, I don't know anyone that dislikes Elliot Smith. It was a very happy day when a friend of mine lent me Figure 8.
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