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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
If Singapore's cabinet were the ones, we'd be dead already. Stay strong Poland, stay strong. | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
Quite a tragedy. By Lidia Kelly SMOLENSK, Russia (Reuters) - Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed when a plane carrying 132 people crashed in thick fog on its approach to a Russian airport Saturday, killing everyone on board, officials said. Central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and several senior government officials were also among those on board the Tupolev Tu-154 plane, which came down as it neared Smolensk airport in western Russia. Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufyev, speaking on Russian television, said there were no survivors. Polish state news agency PAP also reported that there were no survivors. Television pictures showed the burning fuselage and fragments of the plane scattered in a forest. The crash occurred about 2 km (1.3 miles) from Smolensk airport. "The plane caught fire after the crash. Teams began attempting to pull out passengers from the badly damaged airplane," said a Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman in Warsaw. Kaczynski's wife Maria was also on board, along with several high-ranking government officials. They included the chief of Poland's military Franciszek Gagor and Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer. In the case of a president's death, the speaker of the lower chamber of parliament, Bronislaw Komorowski, takes over as head of state, Komorowski's assistant Jerzy Smolinski, told Reuters. Kaczynski had been flying to Katyn, near Smolensk, to commemorate Russian and Polish victims of Soviet leader Josef Stalin. Thousands of Polish prisoners of war and intellectuals were murdered at Katyn by Soviet forces in spring 1940 in an enduring symbol for Poles of their suffering under Soviet rule. Families of those killed at Katyn were also on board the plane, the Polish government official at the airport said. (Additional reporting by Robin Paxton and Maria Kiselyova in Moscow and Gabriela Baczynska and Chris Borowski in Warsaw; writing by Robin Paxton; editing by Andrew Roche) http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE6390PK20100410?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
rip good luck to poland O_O | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4746 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + From delegations list, this people were supposed to be on the plane but someone might have missed it RP stands for "Rzeczpospolita Polska" -formal name of the country Pan Lech KACZYŃSKI President RP Pani Maria KACZYŃSKA First Lady Official delegation : 1. Pan Ryszard KACZOROWSKI Former president of polish governamnt during communist times 2. Pan Krzysztof PUTRA Vice Chairman to Sejm (congres) RP 3. Pan Jerzy SZMAJDZIŃSKI Vice Chairman to Sejm (congres) RP 4. Pani Krystyna BOCHENEK Vice Chairman to Senate RP 5. Pan Jerzy BAHR Ambassador RP to Russian Fedaration 6. Pan Władysław STASIAK Chief of Presidents office 7. Pan Aleksander SZCZYGŁO Chief of National Security Bureau 8. Pan Jacek SASIN Vice Chief of President office, Secretarty of state (not as important as in US) 9. Pan Paweł WYPYCH Secretary of state in Presidents office 10. Pan Mariusz HANDZLIK UnderSecretary of state in Presidents office 11. Pan Andrzej KREMER UnderSecretary of state in Ministry of Foreign affairs 12. Pan Stanisław KOMOROWSKI UnderSecretary of state in ministry of defense 13. Pan Tomasz MERTA Undersecretary Stanu w MKiDN 14. Gen. Franciszek GĄGOR Chief of General Staff 15. Pan Andrzej PRZEWOŹNIK Secretary ROPWiM 16. Pan Maciej PŁAŻYŃSKI Prezes Stowarzyszenia „Wspólnota Polska” 17. Pan Mariusz KAZANA Director of protocol Representatives of Congress nad Senate 1. Pan Leszek DEPTUŁA Congressman 2. Pan Grzegorz DOLNIAK Congressman 3. Pani Grażyna GĘSICKA Congressman 4. Pan Przemysław GOSIEWSKI Congressman 5. Pan Sebastian KARPINIUK Congressman 6. Pani Izabela JARUGA – NOWACKA Congressman 7. Pan Zbigniew WASSERMANN Congressman 8. Pani Aleksandra NATALLI – ŚWIAT Congressman 10. Pan Arkadiusz RYBICKI Congressman 11. Pani Jolanta SZYMANEK – DERESZ Congressman 12. Pan Wiesław WODA Congressman 13. Pan Edward WOJTAS Congressman 14. Pani Janina FETLIŃSKA Senator 15. Pan Stanisław ZAJĄC Senator OSOBY TOWARZYSZĄCE 1. Pan Janusz KOCHANOWSKI Rzecznik Praw Obywatelskich 2. Pan Sławomir SKRZYPEK Chief of central bank 3. Pan Janusz KURTYKA Chief of Institue of National Memory 4. Pan Janusz KRUPSKI Chief of the combatants Bureau Represntatives of Churches and Religion 1. Ks. Bp. gen. dyw. Tadeusz PŁOSKI Ordynariusz Polowy Wojska Polskiego -Catholic Bishop in polish military 2. Abp gen. bryg. Miron CHODAKOWSKI Prawosławny Ordynariusz Wojska Polskiego -Ortodox Archbishop in polish military 3. Ks. płk Adam PILCH Ewangelickie Duszpasterstwo Polo to polowe-prist in polish military 4. Ks. ppłk Jan OSIŃSKI Ordynariat Polowy Wojska Polskiego Represnatatives of families and institutions (of people murdered in Katyn during WWII) 1. Pan Edward DUCHNOWSKI Sekretarz Generalny Związku Sybiraków 2. Ks. prałat Bronisław GOSTOMSKI 3. Ks. Józef JONIEC Prezes Stowarzyszenia Parafiada 4. Ks. Zdzisław KRÓL Kapelan Warszawskiej Rodziny Katyńskiej 1987-2007 5. Ks. Andrzej KWAŚNIK Kapelan Federacji Rodzin Katyńskich 6. Pan Tadeusz LUTOBORSKI 7. Pani Bożena ŁOJEK Prezes Polskiej Fundacji Katyńskiej 8. Pan Stefan MELAK Prezes Komitetu Katyńskiego 9. Pan Stanisław MIKKE Wiceprzewodniczący ROPWiM 10. Pani Bronisława ORAWIEC - LOFFLER 11. Pani Katarzyna PISKORSKA 12. Pan Andrzej SARIUSZ – SKĄPSKI Prezes Federacji Rodzin Katyńskich 13. Pan Wojciech SEWERYN 14. Pan Leszek SOLSKI 15. Pani Teresa WALEWSKA – PRZYJAŁKOWSKA Fundacja „Golgota Wschodu” 16. Pani Gabriela ZYCH 17. Pani Ewa BĄKOWSKA wnuczka Gen. bryg. Mieczysława Smorawińskiego 18. Pani Maria BOROWSKA 19. Pan Bartosz BOROWSKI 20. Pan Dariusz MALINOWSKI Representatives of Armed Forces 1. Gen. broni Bronisław KWIATKOWSKI Opartive commander of polish armed forces 2. Gen. broni pil. Andrzej BŁASIK Chief of Polish Air Forces 3. Gen. dyw. Tadeusz BUK Chief of Army 4. Gen. dyw. Włodzimierz POTASIŃSKI -Commander of special forces 5. Wiceadmirał Andrzej KARWETA Chief of Navy 6. Gen. bryg. Kazimierz GILARSKI Commander of Warsaw garnison | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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ahleezay
43 Posts
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Green_Ranger
17 Posts
1) Poland has had very outdated airfleet, due to cuts in spending; few years ago the helicopter of the Polish prime minister (Miller) crashed. The Tupolevs were called "flying coffins". In addiiton the safety procedures were pretty low - many important people could fly on the same plane. Newspapers have been writing about it for years. 2) The Polish political scene became very divided mostly due to actions of Kaczynski brothers. Kaczynski - is not really liked; in fact many people dont like any parts of the government/MPs and write that it would be cool if 5 more planes crashed. There were many changes at the political scene in last years (which is good), and some form of a two party system is slwoly forming (very bad). Basically there are two similar parties civic platform (PO) and law and justice (PIS). Kaczynski's brother was the leader of PIS; Kaczynski never really supported PO and only cared for PIS, what led to lots of criticism. 3) The presidential elections were supposed to happen in around 10 months I think; according to the falsified polls - Kaczynski was supposed to lose. Yea, the polls in Poland have usually really weird predictions and noone really trusts them despite the fact we have a free market. Newspapers also write about it pretty often; especially independant media. According to the polls Kaczynski was supposed to lose the last elections by a great margin, but he won. Anyway, PO made some form of a preliminaries (usa-style) which was a complete novelty here; and drawn a candidate (Komorowski); it was not clear who would become a candidate of PIS - probably Kaczynski again (although he was sick). 4) There are allready rumors that Russias shot him down. I suppose the next step will be acussing PO of this. (the standards in Polish politics are really low) 5) I wonder what will happen during the elections; maybe they will make Kaczynski some sort of a martyr who "was always there when needed" (he never proposed any good law etc., he only cared about showing up at various events), in order to boost up the PIS candidate's chances (probably his brother). | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3429 Posts
On April 10 2010 18:19 Magic84 wrote: Was he a good president? At least it was some forest area and not city, damn plane crashes suck. No, he was not. The thing is nobody deserves to die and he wouldn't stay a president for much longer, seeing as how elections were to be held in autumn anyway. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On April 10 2010 18:19 Magic84 wrote: Was he a good president? At least it was some forest area and not city, damn plane crashes suck. Controversial figure The BBC's Adam Easton in Warsaw says the president was flying in a Tupolev 154, a plane that was designed in the 1960s and capable of carrying more than 100 passengers. The Polish Foreign Ministry said the president and his wife were aboard the plane. Central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek was also said to have been on board. Mr Kaczynski has been a controversial figure in Polish politics, advocating a right-wing Catholic agenda. He has opposed rapid free-market reforms and favoured retaining social welfare programmes. This is from the BBC article. I think it is accurate, in my opinion. Many people didn't like his agenda, and thought that the way he muscled his way into politics and began to disregard other branches of Polish government was brash. | ||
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nasze_zrodlo
Cape Verde111 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4746 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3429 Posts
On April 10 2010 18:27 nasze_zrodlo wrote: All polish politician are the same (EU enthusiasts and socialists) so that plane crush will change nothing. You couldn't be more wrong. | ||
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Gilgamesh33
United States28 Posts
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
Suggesting it's PO's fault is and will be ridiculous, but as we all know - everything is possible in Poland. Polls usually aren't accurate but this tragedy makes Bronislaw Komorowski the most probable winner of the election. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On April 10 2010 18:27 nasze_zrodlo wrote: All polish politicians are the same (EU enthusiasts and socialists) so that plane crush will change nothing. This is just wrong. On April 10 2010 18:30 Gilgamesh33 wrote: April fools, you're just adding a 0... Wait.. And this is not funny. | ||
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Green_Ranger
17 Posts
He is absolutely true; the myth of leaving EU is just a myth used by PIS; they never support it in ANY way. The only difference between the parties is that PIS doesnt want the euro, and PO does. Im very currious how will this distract the whole election process; I suppose the "martyr effect" will boost PIS chances of reelection significantly; thus the only people who would benefit from such an assasination would be USA; which is fully supported by the retarded politicians. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17712 Posts
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