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Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
April 13 2010 09:05 GMT
#281
What i dislike is that right now, media's subject is getting cold and they are jumping over to conspiracy theory so they can drag this around for a couple more weeks.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
fulmetljaket
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
482 Posts
April 13 2010 09:31 GMT
#282
On April 13 2010 17:09 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 16:54 fulmetljaket wrote:
is there any sort of 'official' listing [in english] of the people who died and what they meant to poland?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_casualties_of_the_2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash


tytyty
"Hunter Seeker Missile Is Gay, Just Like You." - Anon @ US
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
April 13 2010 12:28 GMT
#283
The politicans forced the landing to be happening even though the pilot wanted to refuse it strongly is my guess
hatred outlives the hateful
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
April 13 2010 12:55 GMT
#284
On April 13 2010 21:28 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
The politicans forced the landing to be happening even though the pilot wanted to refuse it strongly is my guess


First reviews of black box recordings deny this theory.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 13:20:16
April 13 2010 13:19 GMT
#285
Ok now. My outrage has reached completely new levels.
I accept that a lot of people died there and I feel sad for their families but some things that are happening right now in Poland are just out of this world.
Why the hell they make a hero out of Kaczynski is beyond me. It could be argued that he did more for Poland with his death than he ever did during his life, but the fact that so many people died because of him (I'm certain this crash was his fault, first he delayed the flight - if he wouldn't they would be arriving in good weather conditions - and then there was a lot of pressure on the pilot, because they were getting late for the ceremonies) kind of counters that. He did a couple good things during his presidency but way more bad things, which makes him overall a pretty bad president.
Right now everyone's speaking about him like he was some freaking saint and some news I heard today made me sit down for a moment.
They're going to bury him in Wawel... For those of you who don't know, that's where our kings are buried. Mind is blown.

Signed:
Outraged Pole
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
April 13 2010 13:30 GMT
#286
On April 13 2010 22:19 Manit0u wrote:
Ok now. My outrage has reached completely new levels.
I accept that a lot of people died there and I feel sad for their families but some things that are happening right now in Poland are just out of this world.
Why the hell they make a hero out of Kaczynski is beyond me. It could be argued that he did more for Poland with his death than he ever did during his life, but the fact that so many people died because of him (I'm certain this crash was his fault, first he delayed the flight - if he wouldn't they would be arriving in good weather conditions - and then there was a lot of pressure on the pilot, because they were getting late for the ceremonies) kind of counters that. He did a couple good things during his presidency but way more bad things, which makes him overall a pretty bad president.
Right now everyone's speaking about him like he was some freaking saint and some news I heard today made me sit down for a moment.
They're going to bury him in Wawel... For those of you who don't know, that's where our kings are buried. Mind is blown.

Signed:
Outraged Pole


Read CruiseR's post and check out latest news to know that this THEORY was denied after watching black boxes, ehhh.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17713 Posts
April 13 2010 14:05 GMT
#287
Black boxes don't show what's going on outside of pilot's cabin. He could've told them that they HAVE to get him on time no matter what before the liftoff or even before he entered the plane.
But even if he didn't, if he wouldn't delay the flight it could all go differently.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Not_A_Notion
Profile Joined May 2009
Ireland441 Posts
April 13 2010 14:34 GMT
#288
On April 13 2010 22:19 Manit0u wrote:
Ok now. My outrage has reached completely new levels.
I accept that a lot of people died there and I feel sad for their families but some things that are happening right now in Poland are just out of this world.
Why the hell they make a hero out of Kaczynski is beyond me. It could be argued that he did more for Poland with his death than he ever did during his life, but the fact that so many people died because of him (I'm certain this crash was his fault, first he delayed the flight - if he wouldn't they would be arriving in good weather conditions - and then there was a lot of pressure on the pilot, because they were getting late for the ceremonies) kind of counters that. He did a couple good things during his presidency but way more bad things, which makes him overall a pretty bad president.
Right now everyone's speaking about him like he was some freaking saint and some news I heard today made me sit down for a moment.
They're going to bury him in Wawel... For those of you who don't know, that's where our kings are buried. Mind is blown.

Signed:
Outraged Pole

Yeah I was kind of wondering about the ret-conning of how awesome he was.
In life he seemed a very divisive character, him and his brother.
At least that is the impression I've gotten from a couple of my friends who are Polish, though I've not talked to them since the crash.
At the same time it's hardly surprising that a President who dies in office would get such an honour, no matter how good or bad his administration was, but I take your point.
A worrying lack of anvils
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17713 Posts
April 13 2010 17:16 GMT
#289
How is the president comparable to a king? It makes as much sense as burying him in Jerusalem or something.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 13 2010 20:32 GMT
#290
On April 13 2010 14:18 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 05:14 Crucifix wrote:
2th of April (it's a special day for Russians iirc, anniversary of Gagarin landing on the moon)

wat


I lol'd
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
April 13 2010 21:22 GMT
#291
Eh, death has always served as a shield to cover the deceased's faults in life. It would be better if so many did not seemingly adhere adamantly to this unspoken rule.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
April 13 2010 21:36 GMT
#292
On April 13 2010 22:19 Manit0u wrote:
Ok now. My outrage has reached completely new levels.
I accept that a lot of people died there and I feel sad for their families but some things that are happening right now in Poland are just out of this world.
Why the hell they make a hero out of Kaczynski is beyond me. It could be argued that he did more for Poland with his death than he ever did during his life, but the fact that so many people died because of him (I'm certain this crash was his fault, first he delayed the flight - if he wouldn't they would be arriving in good weather conditions - and then there was a lot of pressure on the pilot, because they were getting late for the ceremonies) kind of counters that. He did a couple good things during his presidency but way more bad things, which makes him overall a pretty bad president.
Right now everyone's speaking about him like he was some freaking saint and some news I heard today made me sit down for a moment.
They're going to bury him in Wawel... For those of you who don't know, that's where our kings are buried. Mind is blown.

Signed:
Outraged Pole



1. He is a hero becouse he died while being on duty.

2. I think You don't even know where Sikorski is buried, who he was and what he did, but WAIT, You know who our president was! You are so smart! and You know who should be buried where, omg can I be Your friend?

3. There is no mind for You to blow, neither brainless manifestating what You say here on street facebook children.

cheers
EX CATHEDRA!
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
April 13 2010 21:43 GMT
#293
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 21:47:52
April 13 2010 21:45 GMT
#294
On April 13 2010 23:05 Manit0u wrote:
Black boxes don't show what's going on outside of pilot's cabin. He could've told them that they HAVE to get him on time no matter what before the liftoff or even before he entered the plane.
But even if he didn't, if he wouldn't delay the flight it could all go differently.


He also apparently, a year earlier, had gone into the flight cabin and ordered a landing against the pilot's judgment. But since that landing was successful he was of course 'decisive' and 'strong' and 'dedicated'. Doesn't look so good when it doesn't work out, if that is indeed what happened.

Honestly it was likely his arrogance and requirements that lead to the landing attempts at the fog-covered airport, rather than a different one. He's the guy who ran the red light while driving a school bus and killed everyone in a crash, probably.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
April 13 2010 21:46 GMT
#295
On April 14 2010 06:43 summerloud wrote:
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often

You suck at trolling.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
April 13 2010 21:46 GMT
#296
On April 14 2010 06:43 summerloud wrote:
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often


Well, at least you lasted 21 posts.
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 21:53:23
April 13 2010 21:53 GMT
#297
On April 14 2010 06:46 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 06:43 summerloud wrote:
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often

You suck at trolling.


why? imagine the whole bush administration dying in a planecrash 5 years ago. wouldnt that have been awesome?

lives are relative, the decisions of those corrupt assholes in power always end up costing more lives, so its not unjustifyable from a moralic viewpoint to be happy about stuff like this
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10669 Posts
April 13 2010 21:53 GMT
#298
On April 14 2010 06:43 summerloud wrote:
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often


word, how come my country isnt that lucky :<
Im back, in pog form!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 13 2010 21:57 GMT
#299
On April 14 2010 02:16 Manit0u wrote:
How is the president comparable to a king? It makes as much sense as burying him in Jerusalem or something.


Well considering almost everyone in modern times thinks having a President > King, and that most kings in the past were quite tyrannical and selfish... you're honoring the kings by letting the President be buried there^^.
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
April 13 2010 22:01 GMT
#300
On April 14 2010 06:53 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 06:43 summerloud wrote:
that was the best planecrash ever. too bad that stuff like this doesnt happen more often


word, how come my country isnt that lucky :<


what country would that be?
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