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Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
November 01 2011 04:52 GMT
#661
The Mexican government is the key in all this. Since Mexico was dominated by the crapass PRI party for 75 years - which is what basically made Mexico the backwater, 3rd world, illiterate country that it is today - they established deep ties to the drug industry.

The key figure here was Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo - who was basically big daddy. He split Mexico into territories and distributed the top 'dogs' within each.

When he went to jail...things started to crumble down, rival territory leaders began fighting eachother for more power...nothing important really, as they kept to themselves for the most part.

Things started getting worse as we got closer to the year 2000 and the rival PAN party started to win the governorships in several states, effectively taking drug control of those areas away from PRI.

The 2nd big 'boom' took place when PRI lost the 2000 elections to the PAN party. This meant the head of the country was no longer the head of the drug dealing. There was even less PRI support towards their drug dealing buddies as there was a record number of states under PAN control, which combined with the presidency, cut down PRI's power to unbelievable levels. (After 75 years of absolute control, you must understand it did come as a shock).

The 3rd and final 'push' came from Calderón. He got greedy and went for a power play to replace even more PRI-Cartel controlled areas with PAN-Cartel counterparts. He utilizes 'El Chapo' Guzman as the 'spear head' for this - initiating the bloodiest cartel-vs-cartel war in the history of Mexico - and not without reason.

This so called 'war on drugs' by the Calderon government is nothing more than a cover for a failed attempt at a complete takeover of the drug routes. The mexican army did attack cartels...but only those in the PRI's sphere of control - opening up the road for Chapo's men to take over.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS -

The 2012 elections are near the corner and, it's 99% sure PRI will reclaim the throne after PAN's shitty ass job - never as shitty as PRI's but people had high expectations and were let down severely - which means

There will be no more support for 'El Chapo' and his gang - quite the opposite. Which I guess will mean that - if Chapo was unable to take over the key areas with the mexican army's help - he sure as well won't go far not only without it - but worse yet - against it.

I can only hope the PRI party will 'monopolize' the drug trade so no more civilians will be shot. I hope to have moved to Canada by then anyway lol.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#662
MEXICO CITY (AP) — One of the main operators in a drug cartel war that devastated the border city of Tijuana was captured by federal troops after he opened fire on a car carrying two rivals over the weekend, officials said Monday.

Juan Francisco Sillas Rocha, 34, allegedly reported directly to the head of the Arellano Felix cartel, which controlled the smuggling of cocaine, marijuana and other drugs through the cities of Tijuana and Mexicali into the United States during the 1990s, according to Mexican officials.

The cartel was weakened in the last decade by the capture or killing of the brothers who led it. The powerful Sinaloa Cartel, which controls many of the smuggling routes along the border, has reportedly tried to seize control of criminal activities in Tijuana, across the border from San Diego, California.

Fernando "The Engineer" Sanchez Arellano, a nephew who now heads the Arellano Felix cartel, ordered Sillas to regain control of Tijuana from rival leader Teodoro "El Teo" Garcia Simental, who had broken from the Arellano Felix group and reportedly rose through the Sinaloa ranks by ordering bodies dissolved in vats of lye.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 11 2011 20:53 GMT
#663
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican Secretary of the Interior Francisco Blake Mora, a leading figure in the country's deadly war with drug traffickers, died Friday in a helicopter crash on his way to a meeting of judicial officials. He was 45.

Blake Mora was President Felipe Calderon's point man in the all-out military and law-enforcement push against traffickers, frequently traveling to violence-torn cities for meetings with besieged state and local security officials.

For many Mexicans, he embodied the government's get-tough attitude on the narcotics business, publicly pledging on many occasions to keep bringing the fight to the traffickers instead of backing down.

He often promised to step up the presence of troops and federal police in violent areas, and not leave until and drug gang members there were caught.

"Organized crime, in its desperation, resorts to committing atrocities that we can't and shouldn't tolerate as a government and as a society," Blake Mora said after investigators found more than 100 bodies in pits near the U.S. border.

He later announced a five-point initiative to investigate the crimes and to increase security, including the federal monitoring of buses such as those used by the migrant victims.


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Andtzen
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden2 Posts
November 18 2011 11:14 GMT
#664
Hey guys, I was thinking of holding a presentation regarding this matter in class and the talk of legalizing marijuana (and maybe other drugs) is especially interesting.

What would be the actual pros and cons of legalizing the drugs? Would mexico benefit from it? Would the cartels lose power? Would it actually make a dent in the drug industry at all? Would all countries become filled with stoners?
(Yes, I've read through the thread.)

I would love if some of you could state your reasons for supporting/opposing drug legalization. It would help alot!
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
November 18 2011 15:41 GMT
#665
On November 18 2011 20:14 Andtzen wrote:
Hey guys, I was thinking of holding a presentation regarding this matter in class and the talk of legalizing marijuana (and maybe other drugs) is especially interesting.

What would be the actual pros and cons of legalizing the drugs? Would mexico benefit from it? Would the cartels lose power? Would it actually make a dent in the drug industry at all? Would all countries become filled with stoners?
(Yes, I've read through the thread.)

I would love if some of you could state your reasons for supporting/opposing drug legalization. It would help alot!


Well the answers are basically
Mexico benefit? probably (see below)
Cartels decrease? Yes, not eliminated but you would remove some of their income stream.
Dent in drug industry? No drug industry would almost certainly grow
All countries filled with stoners? No but there would probably be more stoners

Basic pros/cons of legalizing something (reverse for illegalizing)

Pros
-Tax revenue (something becomes part of the measured GNP)
-Less funding for criminals
-Less money needed for enforcement/jailing

Cons
-More access to a substance that can potentially cause people to damage themselves or others

Something like marijuana, which can be produced easily inside the US, would only need US legalization to deprive cartels of their profit from it. A drug like cocaine that is produced in other countries, even if it was made legal in the US, might still give cartels power over its distribution if it is illegal to produce/transport it in those countries.



dmgdnooc
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia33 Posts
November 18 2011 18:06 GMT
#666

IMO the pros and cons of legalisation will mostly prove to be moot points.
Each country's laws are modelled on the same UN Convention and are in conformity with it, they can only be altered as the Convention is altered.
Lots of luck there buddy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs

If you read the page you will see that there is some wriggle room provided in the interpretation of the Convention's wording as regards the 'possession' for personal use.
It appears that this need not be a penal offence under the the terms of the Convention. And, country by country, the response to 'possession' for personal use may range from mere censure to years in prison to the death penalty.

An end to hard sentencing practices for 'possession' for personal use is the only window available for so called 'legalisation' arguments. Anything that softens the response to 'trafficing' will not be permitted by the terms of the 'Convention'.

Emotionally I rebel at our leaders infantile and ill-considered attempts at 'social engineering' and hold them in contempt for their efforts to protect me from myself.
But in my reasoning parts I hold that the best argument for de-criminalisation of personal use is that the terms of the Convention are clearly aimed at stopping those who involve themselves in illicit 'trafficing' in these substances and not at those who, for many and varied reasons, are attracted to their use.

You can't pull the wool over a blind mans eyes. Zatoichi
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
November 18 2011 18:50 GMT
#667
On November 19 2011 03:06 dmgdnooc wrote:

IMO the pros and cons of legalisation will mostly prove to be moot points.
Each country's laws are modelled on the same UN Convention and are in conformity with it, they can only be altered as the Convention is altered.
Lots of luck there buddy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs

If you read the page you will see that there is some wriggle room provided in the interpretation of the Convention's wording as regards the 'possession' for personal use.
It appears that this need not be a penal offence under the the terms of the Convention. And, country by country, the response to 'possession' for personal use may range from mere censure to years in prison to the death penalty.

An end to hard sentencing practices for 'possession' for personal use is the only window available for so called 'legalisation' arguments. Anything that softens the response to 'trafficing' will not be permitted by the terms of the 'Convention'.

Emotionally I rebel at our leaders infantile and ill-considered attempts at 'social engineering' and hold them in contempt for their efforts to protect me from myself.
But in my reasoning parts I hold that the best argument for de-criminalisation of personal use is that the terms of the Convention are clearly aimed at stopping those who involve themselves in illicit 'trafficing' in these substances and not at those who, for many and varied reasons, are attracted to their use.



Well you could easily put personal use under "medical"... happening in California with marijuana.
dmgdnooc
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 19:04:47
November 18 2011 19:02 GMT
#668
Medical and scientific use is permitted under the Convention. Hence the push to side-step punitive measures with the adoption of 'medical' usage.
You can't pull the wool over a blind mans eyes. Zatoichi
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 20 2011 23:21 GMT
#669
In October of 2008, Chicago-based drug trafficker Margarito “Twin” Flores was summoned to the Sinaloa Cartel’s mountaintop compound. The leaders of the Mexican narcotics syndicate were pissed. The brother of a top lieutenant had been arrested by the government and risked being extradited to the United States; the Sinaloans wanted to retaliate — in a massive and deadly way, and in the heart of Mexico City.

“Let it be a government building, it doesn’t matter whose. An embassy or a consulate, a media outlet or television station,” cartel boss Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman said. Even the U.S. embassy might be fair game.

“Twin, you know guys [in the U.S. military] coming back from the war,” the lieutenant’s son, Jesus Vincente Zambada Niebla, told Flores. “Find somebody who can give you big powerful weapons, American shit. We don’t want Middle Eastern or Asian guns, we want big U.S. guns, or RPGs [rocket propelled grenades].”

“You know what I’m talking about,” Zambada added. “We don’t need one, we need a lot of them, 20, 30, a lot of them.”

“Make it your job,” Guzman said.

At least, that’s how Flores says the meeting went down. Now an informant for U.S. authorities, Flores described the meeting in a proffer filed in U.S. District Court in Chicago (.pdf) and first described by the Chicago Sun-Times.

Following the meeting, Flores told a DEA agent about the plot and asked for “black market prices for rocket and grenade launchers.” This way, he’d have something to report back to the cartel. The proffer presents an audio transcription of that report.

“Hey, do you remember what we talked about? About those toys?” Flores asked. “I have somebody that just got out of the service and he said he could hook me up, but they’re going to charge twice as much.”

“That’s fine, just let me know,” Zambada answered.

But the Sinaloa Cartel didn’t find any veterans willing to supply the weapons, and the would-be attack went nowhere. Why?


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henkel
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands146 Posts
November 21 2011 00:49 GMT
#670
Situation seems pretty fucked up indeed. Have been to lazy to read the entire thread but was wondering if the link/similarity between the cocaine wars in Miami was made if thats even possible seeing the difference in scale. do hope the violence against innocent bystanders will drop soon. In my opinion, people will always want to experiment with ways to get a buzz and people will always make money out of that. Be it criminals or government.

About the legalization aspect; this somehow immediatly popped back into my head.
http://truthaboutamsterdam.com/wordpress/the-truth-about-amsterdam/
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 01:56:35
November 21 2011 01:55 GMT
#671
I've been to Amsterdam. It's an awesome place to visit and live in.

I lol'd when I heard they were shutting down brothels for TAX EVASION. Imagine yourself having fun with the girls when they issue you a receipt lol. Do I get any refunds?
People is diying.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2011 06:36 GMT
#672
CULIACAN, Mexico (AP) — Sixteen men were shot dead and burned in two pickup trucks in the western city of Culiacan, officials said Wednesday, and seven other people were slain in the same state.

Neighbors called police after seeing a pickup truck on fire early Wednesday in the Antonio Rosales neighborhood of Culiacan, capital of the Pacific coast state of Sinaloa, said state Attorney General Marco Antonio Higuera Gomez.

Investigators found 12 bodies on the bed of the truck, some of them handcuffed and wearing bulletproof vests, Higuera said.

He said authorities are trying to determine if some of the victims are part of a group of nine people, including three local police officers, who were kidnapped in the town of Angostura on Monday.

Minutes after the first fire was reported, authorities received another call about a pickup truck burning behind a store. Police found four bodies inside that vehicle, and one had been decapitated.

Higuera said all 16 had been shot.


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zorrillo1
Profile Joined February 2011
22 Posts
November 24 2011 16:14 GMT
#673
23 bodies found in Guadalajara in three vehicles (video)

State security elements found three vehicles allegedly loaded with 23 bodies in Guadalajara, Jalisco state capital.

The incident occurred in the Glorieta de los Arcos Milenio, very close to a residential unit and headquarters of Expo Guadalajara, where the International Book Fair will soon take place.

http://neglectedwar.com/blog/archives/9580
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 26 2011 17:39 GMT
#674
A group of Mexican activists has lodged a war-crimes complaint against President Felipe Calderon at the International Criminal Court (ICC).

A lawyer for the group of 23 activists who have signed the complaint of war crimes against the president said Calderon's offensive against drug cartels had involved about 470 cases of human rights violations by the army or police.

The activists accuse Calderon of systematically allowing troops to kill, kidnap and torture civilians.

The complaint filed Friday at the court in the Netherlands also names Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the Sinaloa cartel leader.

Netzai Sandoval, the lawyer, said Mexican drug lords had also committed crimes against humanity during the conflict, which has cost 35,000 to 40,000 lives since late 2006.

"The violence in Mexico is bigger than the violence in Afghanistan, the violence in Mexico is bigger than in Colombia," Sandoval said.

"We want the prosecutor to tell us if war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed in Mexico, and if the president and other top officials are responsible."

Calderon's administration has denied the accusations, saying that it is an elected, democratic government fighting criminals and that it has established mechanisms to protect human rights.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2011 05:59 GMT
#675
A key leader of Mexico's powerful Zetas drug cartel, Raul Lucio Hernandez Lechuga, has been arrested in the state of Veracruz, say officials.

Hernandez Lechuga, alias El Lucky, was allegedly a founding member of the cartel and ran its activities in Veracruz, Puebla and Oaxaca states.

Security forces had placed a 15m peso (£700,000: $1m) bounty on his head.

At least 40,000 people are thought to have died in drugs-related violence in Mexico in the past five years.

Mexico's navy said marines had captured Hernandez Lechuga in the Veracruz town of Cordoba, where the Zetas have been battling another powerful cartel, the Sinaloa, for control of the lucrative drugs market.

President Felipe Calderon also announced the capture on Twittter.

Some 50,000 troops and federal police are actively involved in tackling the country's drugs gangs, with top leaders being targeted.

Mr Calderon says 22 of the 37 most-wanted drug lords have now been accounted for.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 08:48:06
December 22 2011 08:47 GMT
#676
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A Mexican state plagued by drug violence has disbanded the entire police force in the major port city of Veracruz in an effort to stem corruption, with naval marines deployed in its place.

The Veracruz state government said Wednesday's decision is part of an effort to root out police corruption and start from zero in the state's largest city.

Gina Dominguez, the state spokeswoman, said 800 police officers and 300 administrative employees were laid-off.

At a press conference, she said they can apply for jobs in a state police force, but must meet stricter standards for an agency with officers "who are better trained and more committed and who can deliver under our current security circumstances".

Armed marines barricaded the police headquarters on Wednesday and navy helicopters were seen flying above the city where 35 bodies were dumped in September in one of the worst gang attacks of Mexico's drug war.

The change was agreed on Monday by Javier Duarte, the governor of Veracruz, and Alejandro Poire, the federal interior secretary.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 26 2011 03:20 GMT
#677
MEXICO CITY — The Mexican army announced Sunday that it had captured the head of security for Sinaloa drug cartel head Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, one of the world's most wanted men.

The suspect, who was not identified by name, was captured in the Sinaloa state capital of Culiacan and will be presented to the media Monday morning, the army said.

Guzman, Mexico's top drug lord, is one of the world's richest men, and has eluded authorities by moving around and hiding since his 2001 escape from prison in a laundry truck.

The army said the man they had arrested also ran cartel activities in Durango and southern Chihuahua state, and was responsible for carrying out secret burials of cartel victims, kidnapping, extortion and arson. They did not say if the arrest moved the military closer to capturing Guzman, an arrest that would be seen as a major victory for the government of President Felipe Calderon.

Guzman is worth more than $1 billion, according to Forbes magazine, which has listed him among the "World's Most Powerful People." He has a $7 million bounty on his head, and thousands of law enforcement agents from the U.S. and other countries working on capturing him.


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Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
December 26 2011 03:24 GMT
#678
Can always rely on you for quality Mexico updates. Thanks bro-team. Those sacs of drugs look mighty tasty... or should I say probably dank and disgusting.
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attwell
Profile Joined July 2011
United States220 Posts
December 26 2011 04:03 GMT
#679
I grew up in San Diego, we used to go across the border all the time, to go fishing, camping by the beach, etc. It was safe, but the police were corrupt as hell. We used to go every christmas and donate toys blankets and pillows to orphanages.

I've SEEN a police officer solicit my dad for a bribe, saying it was a "country entrance fee" and my dad paid him a 20, that's just how it worked back then. I only saw it happen once but when I asked my dad about it a few years later he said he's maybe had to do it 4 times ever in Mexico.

Now that all this shit has been going on, every charity I know that works in Mexico is bailing, it's just too risky to send volunteers. I've been to Cabo once since this all started, and it was fine, but it's just so sad how a beautiful country (yes, aside from the poverty and tainted water, it is a beautiful country) can be completely ransacked by criminals and corrupt officials.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 27 2011 00:34 GMT
#680
MEXICO CITY (AP) — When convoys of soldiers or federal police move through the scrubland of northern Mexico, the Zetas drug cartel knows they are coming.

The alert goes out from a taxi driver or a street vendor, equipped with a high-end handheld radio and paid to work as a lookout known as a "halcon," or hawk.

The radio signal travels deep into the arid countryside, hours by foot from the nearest road. There, the 8-foot-tall (2-meter-tall) dark-green branches of the rockrose bush conceal a radio tower painted to match. A cable buried in the dirt draws power from a solar panel. A signal-boosting repeater relays the message along a network of powerful antennas and other repeaters that stretch hundreds of miles (kilometers) across Mexico, a shadow communications system allowing the cartel to coordinate drug deliveries, kidnapping, extortion and other crimes with the immediacy and precision of a modern military or law-enforcement agency.

The Mexican army and marines have begun attacking the system, seizing hundreds of pieces of communications equipment in at least three operations since September that offer a firsthand look at a surprisingly far-ranging and sophisticated infrastructure.


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