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BasementCat
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada155 Posts
October 22 2010 03:17 GMT
#221
I just watched something on the discovery channel about cocaine being transported in mini-subs.

It's a really good episode... (I can't find it on their website though, It's pretty recent)
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LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
October 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#222
I just wanted to say. I think GANGS are the most low life, pathetically pussy groups on the face of this planet. The fact you need to join a group of people in order to bring fear to other people to take things which do not belong to you.. is fucking an embarrassment to everything those pathetic wanna bes are.
Live and Let Live
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 22 2010 05:38 GMT
#223
Some of the tunnels used by the Cartels to link across the border to the U.S.:

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US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents stand over the entrance to a tunnel found in Otay Mesa, California. They reported that it ran for 2,400 feet under the ground.


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A lighting system and small cart are seen at the entrance of tunnel in Colonia Chula Vista, Mexico. With their deep pockets and powerful arsenals the cartels can afford to hire (or perhaps force) engineers with extensive tunnel-construction experience to work for them.


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198 bricks of cocaine, weighing 840 pounds, were found in this tunnel discovered in Nogales.


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This 400-foot tunnel, equipped with lighting and supported by heavy wooden beams, reached from Mexicali, Mexico to Calexico, California.


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It is believed that this tunnel was used by the cartel led by the family of Ramon Arellano Felix. It had concrete floors in some sections, ventilation, electricity and a water drainage system.


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Zaraphiston
Profile Joined September 2010
United States26 Posts
October 22 2010 07:50 GMT
#224
On October 22 2010 11:44 gmonty wrote:
Hey, Zaraphiston , I would be very interested in hearing how day-to-day life in Ciudad Juarez really is. The mental image you get by just following the news stream is pretty grim, like a proper war zone. Do you come in contact with violence regularly? Is it confined to certain areas and time periods of the day? Are there general precautions that everyone comply with, like staying indoors after 10 at night?

When I was in Monterrey, there were a number of road block events, fire fights with grenades just outside my university, etc, but I never actually witnessed or even propely heard any of it personally. How is it up there?



The life in here is pretty much routine....although a lot of times the routine gets broken by things that happen in here. You may see them, be related to them or even experience them.

What I am trying to say is that, well, you are driving around and you see the police cars going at fast speed with their sirens turned on, or you get into a traffic jam because someone got killed and the cops are sweeping the place.....at times you even pass next to the crime scene, with the dead person covered with a blanket and the vehicle turned into swiss cheese (bullets). I have seen from the distance gunfights and a lot of dead people....the time I remember the most was about a year ago. I had just left my house and I was on my way to a friends house. You see, by my house there is this bridge, and there is a stoplight below the bridge. I was there in the stoplight and I had a weird feeling....it was completely silent outside. I turn to my right and I see this SUV smashed into a electric pole. Inside the vehicle, full of bullet impacts, I saw one guy dead with his face leaning to the drivers window (my direction). I didn't got scared, I just thought: "holy fuck, well, he was asking for it".

About two months ago I was having a beer in a friends house, we were like 10 people and we were just talking about random things. Suddenly we hear a big BOOM and everyone is like wtf and I said..."that was a grenade". All my friends said "shut up don't said stupid things" but oh, I was correct. Seconds after the grenade a 5 minute long battle begins. It sounded like Iraq for sure, so many AK-47's and AR-15's spewing bullets. Then, another grenade blast and they left. We were all shocked. What can I say......well I even ask myself that question....what can I say?

Sadly, several people that I know have been killed in this stupid drug war. Some of them were in that business, a few others were innocent. Actually, about two weeks ago one cousin of mine (kinda distant cousin) was murdered along with a girl and some other guy. Sad, but we have to continue our lives.

When I drive around or party I have to always be aware of my surroundings. More than ever, everyone here feels like a defenseless animal; looking everywhere to run away if there's danger. There is always the danger present that you'll be caught in the middle of a execution attempt or some fucker with a gun will try to rob your car. On the worst cases, you can even be kidnapped.


But no, it's not like in the news. No, there is not a perpetual gunfight in the streets, no, they don't kill people randomly and no, not everyone is in a perpetual state of panic. We are people who were lucky enough to live in the most important port of departure for narcotics in the whole world. You have to know the facts. Drugtrafficking used to be a major force in the development of the city in previous years (positively) and that's why many people didn't care or took much action about it. Now we are paying the consequences; both for our acts and the ceaseless hunger of drugs of the US.
wort wort wort
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 23 2010 18:25 GMT
#225
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CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – Gunmen stormed two homes and massacred 13 young partygoers in the latest large-scale attack in this violent border city, even as a new government strategy seeks to restore order with social programs and massive police deployments.

Attackers in two vehicles pulled up to the houses in a lower-middle-class neighborhood late Friday and opened fire on about three dozen youths attending a party. The dead identified so far were 16 to 25 years old, the Chihuahua state attorney general's office said Saturday in a statement. Fifteen were wounded, including a 9-year-old boy.

Police found 70 bullet casings from assault weapons typically used by drug gangs whose bloody turf battles have killed more than 2,000 people this year in Ciudad Juarez, across the border from El Paso, Texas.


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ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
October 24 2010 08:01 GMT
#226
On October 22 2010 10:45 Jayme wrote:
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On October 21 2010 18:13 ZerglingSoup wrote:
I am so thoroughly horrified by this situation every time I think about it or read about it. So many people are wrapped up in this... It makes me terribly sad. Many of my friends and co-workers have family down there and have to risk their lives just to travel down for a visit. I can't imagine what it must be like to live under the shadow of these cartels.

The saddest thing is, that this is directly caused by my countrymen. Not my government, or the big corporations or whoever else gets flamed for it, but rather my own flagrantly self-gratifying society that upholds whatever will make us feel good as what it is we live for. Anyone who thinks that legalizing this poison is dreaming. Sure you may hurt cartel profits, but this would only cause the violence to escalate. And with all the resources at their disposal, these cartels would certainly find a way to get a foothold in the newly legalized supply chain and would be under very weak obligation to clean up their acts back home.

The problem lies with us here in the states and our wholesale lack of self-control or real concern for our southern neighbors. We can live perfectly productive and happy lives without narcotics, yet because it's fun and it feels good, we go ahead and partake, tell our friends how cool we are for partaking, and directly feed the travesty down south while blaming it all on the government because its an easy way to shrug away our own responsibility.

It is frustrating to think of all the positive things we could be doing with our fists full of money instead of directly funding murder and brutality in someone else's country.

Actually there would be no supply chain. Or at the very least a small one. Pot is cry easy to home grow. Cartel profits would take a catastrophic nose dive and to believe otherwise is ignorant.


I'm actually not referring to pot. Legalize pot if you want, but the effects on cartel profits would hardly be catastrophic. Most of the cannabis supply around here is local anyway. A Rand study estimated California's legalization bill would only cut supply by 2%-4%. Source. I've just seen some posts in this thread that seem to suggest that legalizing all forms of narcotics would solve Mexico's problems. I would argue that this is hardly the case and not the more reasonable or preferable scenario vs working to decrease our own consumption.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2010 08:12 GMT
#227
The U.S. could legalize pot and tax it or what not still would not stop the fact that the United States is the largest importer/market of Cocaine.
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RogueStatus
Profile Joined August 2010
266 Posts
October 24 2010 08:25 GMT
#228
I know that when major media outlets in Mexico... not so much in the US... report on these matters. The head of the lead reporter ends up in a box on the doorstep of the Media Outlets office. I also know it is hard for government to keep their armed forces loyal and on their side (I watched a documentary about this stuff on Netflix. It's called "Silver or Lead" in Spanish. Basically the title revolves around the constant inner struggle of citizens of Mexico trying to do the right thing and combat the criminals, however, they are continually offered bribes or incentives to allow the passage of drubs or to flip sides and join the cartels. The offer that is made to them is simple... We'll pay you money if you accept our proposition.... or we'll shoot you dead if you don't.... Silver? or Lead? Which is it going to be. Obviously most of these individuals choose Silver... because if they deny that offer, the cartels make good on their threats and shoot them dead on the spot. This documentary mentioned above actually shows 3 members of the Zetas captured and being interrogated (feels a lot like a video coming out of the middle east) where they give up all of their information in the hopes of mercy.... and right before the end credits.... (and this is real footage by the way) a guy walks up to one of the 3 Zeta members, the Zeta member looks up and clearly makes eye contact and the anonymous shooter puts a shot point blank into his skull. Quite disturbing really. Great watch though and very interesting. I myself live in San Diego and this is very relevant to the area in which I live.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
October 25 2010 00:55 GMT
#229
U.S. government is harvesting over in Mexico also. Have a couple friends in the army that went a couple months ago to do just that.
There's no S in KT. :P
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 25 2010 03:34 GMT
#230
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CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – Three bystanders died in the crossfire of a shootout between gunmen, police and soldiers in northern Mexico on Sunday.

The victims were a 14-year-old boy and two women aged 18 and 47, according to a statement by the prosecutors' office in northern Coahuila state.

The statement said gunmen traveling in two vehicles opened fire on a convoy of federal police and soldiers in the city of Saltillo, Coahuila. The officers and soldiers returned fire.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 28 2010 07:36 GMT
#231
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MEXICO CITY (AFP) – A gruesome drug war opposing dueling cartels is taking record numbers of victims in Mexico, where a third massacre in less than a week killed 15 recovering addicts working at a car wash Wednesday.

Around 100 people were killed across the country since last weekend. A nationwide crackdown that saw President Felipe Calderon deploy 50,000 troops has so far failed to stem the bloodletting that has killed some 28,000 victims in nearly three years.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 03:36:22
October 29 2010 03:35 GMT
#232



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MEXICO CITY – Armed men rumbled into a gritty neighborhood of the Mexican capital Thursday and gunned down six men hanging around a convenience store, fueling fears that one of the world's largest cities is falling prey to the cartel-style violence that has long terrorized other parts of the country.

More than 50 people have been killed in the past week in five apparently unrelated massacres, including four shot Thursday near the border city of Ciudad Juarez. But the Mexico City shooting has raised alarm among residents about a drug war that has long seemed distant.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 02 2010 05:12 GMT
#233

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – Four U.S. citizens were shot to death in separate attacks in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, Mexican authorities said Monday.

Chihuahua state prosecutors' spokesman Arturo Sandoval said Edgar Lopez, 35, of El Paso, Texas, was killed Sunday along with two Mexican men when gunmen opened fire on a group standing outside a house.

On Saturday, a 26-year-old U.S. woman and an American boy were slain shortly after crossing an international bridge from El Paso. Giovanna Herrera and Luis Araiza, 15, were shot to death along with a Mexican man traveling with them just after 11 a.m., Sandoval said.

Sandoval said authorities also identified a 24-year-old woman killed Friday inside a tortilla shop as Lorena Izaguirre, a U.S. citizen and El Paso resident. A Mexican man was also found dead in the store.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2010 04:36 GMT
#234
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ACAPULCO, Mexico – Police recovered 18 bodies Wednesday in a mass grave identified in a narco-video as the burial site for 20 men who were kidnapped a month ago in the Pacific coast city of Acapulco.

Fernando Monreal, investigative police chief for Guerrero state, had reported earlier that 19 bodies were removed, but he said Wednesday night that investigators miscounted the badly decomposed bodies.

Police did not yet know if the bodies found in the grave in Tres Palos, a town just south of Acapulco, were those of the men abducted Sept. 30 while visiting the resort city from neighboring Michoacan state, Monreal said.


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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 04 2010 04:41 GMT
#235
The United States government has never heard of the price mechanism. The more cocaine you seize the more expensive it gets, the more incentive people have to try to bring the stuff to the US.

Brilliant job as usually, government.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2010 04:46 GMT
#236
Also the fifth US citizen this week was killed.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 05:19:33
November 04 2010 05:19 GMT
#237
another mass grave in Mexico? It's inching closer to failed state territory :|
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2010 05:52 GMT
#238
Wow

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SAN DIEGO, California (Reuters) – U.S. border police have found a sophisticated drug smugglers' tunnel the length of six football fields linking Southern California with Mexico and arrested two people, authorities said on Wednesday.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency said the tunnel ran between warehouses in Otay Mesa, California, and Tijuana, Mexico. It measured 1,800 feet and was equipped with a rail system, lighting and ventilation.

Agents recovered more than 25 metric tons of marijuana in seizures related to the investigation in both California and Mexico and arrested a U.S. citizen and his Mexican wife.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2010 05:47 GMT
#239

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – U.S. consular officials on Thursday said that both Texas university students killed in Ciudad Juarez earlier this week were U.S. citizens, bringing the number of Americans slain in the violent border city to six in as many days.

Officials had earlier confirmed that one of the dead University of Texas at El Paso students was an American, 23-year-old Eder Diaz. The U.S. Consulate in Ciudad Juarez said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press on Thursday that the other UTEP student, Manuel Acosta, also was also a U.S. citizen.

The two were attacked Tuesday by gunmen who opened fire on their car. Acosta, 25, was killed at the scene, while Diaz died early Wednesday at a Juarez hospital.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2010 06:11 GMT
#240
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MEXICO CITY – Mexican security forces killed reputed Gulf cartel leader Antonio Ezequiel Cardenas Guillen, one of Mexico's most-wanted drug lords, in a spectacular, hours-long gunbattle Friday in the northern border city of Matamoros.

Cardenas Guillen, also known as "Tony Tormenta" or "Tony the Storm," is the brother of imprisoned former leader Osiel Cardenas Guillen and is the latest in a growing number of high-profile cartel leaders who have been captured or killed by the armed forces President Felipe Calderon has stationed throughout the country to battle drug traffickers.

The clashes Friday across the border from Brownsville, Texas, also claimed the lives of four gunmen and three marines, according to the Mexican navy, and caused mayhem late into the night.


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