On April 05 2013 11:56 fight_or_flight wrote:
Europe in a nutshell right now:
Europe in a nutshell right now:
Damn! Once again Europeans show their epic road trip superiority :D
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
April 05 2013 03:25 GMT
#2301
On April 05 2013 11:56 fight_or_flight wrote: Europe in a nutshell right now: Damn! Once again Europeans show their epic road trip superiority :D | ||
HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
April 05 2013 03:29 GMT
#2302
On April 03 2013 06:57 Gorsameth wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 05:39 RvB wrote: On April 03 2013 05:34 Elorun wrote: On April 02 2013 22:48 Bermuda wrote: On March 31 2013 20:18 Rassy wrote: It was a bit difficult to find and i cant find the original article annymore. Annyway: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-10/basel-iii-punishes-dutch-over-risk-that-isn-t-mortgages.html Scroll down a bit to the paragraph about the funding gap , its even 300b here. Also in dutch: http://www.mejudice.nl/artikelen/detail/nederlandse-banken-hoog-niveau-leningen-ten-opzichte-van-spaartegoeden- 6 more months till the german elections,then we will know how they eurozone will handle the crisis and the economy for the next few years. I do hope and expect the europeans to change the austerity policy to a policy of monetary easing the day after merkel has been reelected. There is definatly room for monetary easing, as japan and the usa do it at a huge scale already. Maybe euro can go back to 1.20 or even 1.10 after the elections. Atm euro is undervalued imo, it should be like ~ 1.40 if current euro austerity combined with usa and japan monetary easing was here to stay. Thank you. After reading the Bloomberg article, here is what I understand : The Dutch banks have high quality loans (Because, historically, the Dutch repay their debt and are near 0 default. So they are really good quality assets). But, because of the Basel III rules, those cannot be used to fulfill the new liquidity obligations. At the same time, worst assets (including spanish loans that have a way higher default rate) can be used. It is important to understand that the Dutch banks don't have "a hole" of 270 billions. They have those 270 billions in high quality assets (mortgage backed securities from some of the best loans of the planet). But they cannot use it to fulfill their new european obligations because those loans were given at 95% the value of the home (Basell III rules accept only loans up to 80% the value of the home to count toward the new liquidity obligation). It is problematic of course, but not as problematic as if they actually had to find 270 billions out of nothing. Because, even if they cannot use those loans for the new liquidity rules, the loans are still there. They still possess them. Possible solutions : 1) They ask for a change in Basel III rules, because that part of the rules is stupid. Seriously, accounting risky spanish loans while refusing ultra secured dutch loans... wtf. 2) They sell those mortgage backed securities (possibly at a discount) to some private investors. In that case, they will have to come with the rest of the money (the discount). But it will never be 270 billions, it will be far less. And there will be buyers because those are high quality assets. The real problem being that no european banks can buy it, since it is not taken into account for Basel III (so they will have to sell at a discount to private investors). TL;DR : yeah it is stupid and problematic but not as problematic as a 270 billion deficit. The actual amount missing is just the discount they will have to accept (probably a small % of the total 270 billion). I think the main issue facing the Dutch banks right now is that the Dutch property bubble is on the verge of exploding. I found a nice article that explains it better than I ever could The Netherlands falls prey to economic crisis A big part of it is also because the laws surrounding mortgages have been changed 3 times in a year which caused a lot of confusion on the market and a lot f people obv won't buy a house when they don't know what the politicians will decide in 3 months time concerning the biggest financial transaction in your life. Its not the mortgage laws but the overall insane house prices. And whenever the stupidly high prices drop a tiny bit the brokers all scream the sky is falling. And how do insane house prices come along again? Would the prices be insane if noone could get a loan for the houses? | ||
JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
April 05 2013 09:54 GMT
#2303
On April 05 2013 11:56 fight_or_flight wrote: Europe in a nutshell right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilh5iUQIb4s fitting 1 ton of gold in a car yeah right >_> | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
April 05 2013 12:12 GMT
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
April 05 2013 12:16 GMT
#2305
On April 05 2013 18:54 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 11:56 fight_or_flight wrote: Europe in a nutshell right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilh5iUQIb4s fitting 1 ton of gold in a car yeah right >_> Pure gold is VERY heavy. | ||
xM(Z
Romania5269 Posts
April 05 2013 12:24 GMT
#2306
I doubt the tone of gold too. 1 tone = 1000kg Metric ton (tonne): 2204 pounds (1000 kg) | ||
Sulphurized
Austria8 Posts
April 05 2013 12:37 GMT
#2307
there's just to find out if the car and its axles can handle so much weigh and such. | ||
RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
April 05 2013 13:33 GMT
#2308
A ton of gold would be ~80 bars and be worth $50 million. Now that COULD fit into the car. But that car with 5 people in it would be slammed to the pavement and the suspension shocks/springs would be fully compressed. | ||
Silvanel
Poland4672 Posts
April 05 2013 14:09 GMT
#2309
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
April 05 2013 15:21 GMT
#2310
On April 05 2013 21:37 Sulphurized wrote: since ton is a measure for mass, which initially has to be diversified from volume I can't see a problem fitting a ton of gold into a car of average size. gold has pretty high density, so it needs less volume to put just as much as other materials on the scales - capiche? there's just to find out if the car and its axles can handle so much weigh and such. hahaha I think tu non capiche la situazione | ||
Sulphurized
Austria8 Posts
April 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#2311
On April 06 2013 00:21 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 21:37 Sulphurized wrote: since ton is a measure for mass, which initially has to be diversified from volume I can't see a problem fitting a ton of gold into a car of average size. gold has pretty high density, so it needs less volume to put just as much as other materials on the scales - capiche? there's just to find out if the car and its axles can handle so much weigh and such. hahaha I think tu non capiche la situazione sure I do, but my little smartassery is just refering to a bs discussion about wether a ton of gold fits into a car with half of the people talking about mass and the other half about volume and all together is totally irrelevant anyway ... your don has spoken. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
April 06 2013 22:34 GMT
#2312
Portugal's government says the constitutional court's rejection of austerity measures from this year's budget creates serious difficulties in meeting international bailout commitments. Luis Marques Guedes, state decretary for cabinet affairs, said on Saturday that the decision "jeopardises the country's hard-earned credibility" gained with its European partners and lenders and would have a negative impact on the austerity programme under way. He said that Pedro Passos Coelho, the Portuguese prime minister, had requested an emergency meeting with President Anibal Cavaco Silva to discuss the complex situation. The court ruled late on Friday that some of the unpopular pay cuts in this year's state budget were unlawful, denying the government about 1.4bn euros ($1.8bn) of predicted revenue. The government said that it would accept the ruling after it held an extraordinary cabinet meeting on Saturday. The constitutional court's decision delivers a setback to the austerity strategy agreed between the government and foreign creditors who lent Portugal 78bn euros ($101.5bn) in a bailout two years ago. Source | ||
radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
April 07 2013 17:03 GMT
#2313
main source (german) The beeps version | ||
theinfamousone
United States103 Posts
April 08 2013 07:24 GMT
#2314
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
April 08 2013 13:39 GMT
#2315
On April 08 2013 16:24 theinfamousone wrote: LOL. Cyprus thinks this is actually a good thing. Their entire economy depends on the security they offer with their banks. They just killed the goose that laid the golden eggs. They'll need more bailouts sooner rather than later and when they do, there won't be any easy sources of billions of dollars. Yeap, their only hope now is to make money out of tourism. Which in fact will proabably hit the top, as in the current situation they will become a much cheaper country for tourists. I dont see any other way for them to get back on their feet, their whole economy was based on two branches - banks and tourism, where the bank branch was substantially larger and now it is pretty much defunct. There will be no more 5h working days, as there is nothing at this point to support that salary/hour ratio without government leeching on low taxed large deposits. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
April 09 2013 17:14 GMT
#2316
Greece is considering slapping a €162 billion invoice on Germany as compensation for the Second World War. Athens has compiled a top-secret report that says the cash - enough to solve the Greeks' debt crisis - is owed in war reparations, Der Spiegel reported. But the Greeks are said to be reluctant to take on mighty Germany over the debt, for fear of antagonising its Eurozone paymaster. The Greek media is said to be more bullish, with the To Vima newspaper headlined: "What Germany Owes Us". It set out a number of possible ways that Germany could repay the cash, after a panel of experts spent months preparing the 80-page classified report. Details of its findings were leaked to To Vima, Der Spiegel said. Its conclusion was that "Greece never received any compensation, either for the loans it was forced to provide to Germany or for the damages it suffered during the war." A wealth of archive material was studied as part of the assessment, and the total includes cash for the reconstruction of infrastructure, and the repayment of 'forced loans'. Athens, whilst reserving the right to take action in the future, was said to be wary of pressing ahead with a demand for payment. Der Spiegel quoted a senior government official saying: "This is no time to pick a fight with Berlin." Source | ||
frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
April 09 2013 17:22 GMT
#2317
On April 10 2013 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Show nested quote + Greece is considering slapping a €162 billion invoice on Germany as compensation for the Second World War. Athens has compiled a top-secret report that says the cash - enough to solve the Greeks' debt crisis - is owed in war reparations, Der Spiegel reported. But the Greeks are said to be reluctant to take on mighty Germany over the debt, for fear of antagonising its Eurozone paymaster. The Greek media is said to be more bullish, with the To Vima newspaper headlined: "What Germany Owes Us". It set out a number of possible ways that Germany could repay the cash, after a panel of experts spent months preparing the 80-page classified report. Details of its findings were leaked to To Vima, Der Spiegel said. Its conclusion was that "Greece never received any compensation, either for the loans it was forced to provide to Germany or for the damages it suffered during the war." A wealth of archive material was studied as part of the assessment, and the total includes cash for the reconstruction of infrastructure, and the repayment of 'forced loans'. Athens, whilst reserving the right to take action in the future, was said to be wary of pressing ahead with a demand for payment. Der Spiegel quoted a senior government official saying: "This is no time to pick a fight with Berlin." Source Oh dear, this tells me this could be a big issue in EUpolitik | ||
Silvanel
Poland4672 Posts
April 09 2013 17:23 GMT
#2318
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21223 Posts
April 09 2013 17:28 GMT
#2319
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
April 09 2013 17:28 GMT
#2320
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