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Pony Express Issue 108 Jan 5th 2010 – January 11th

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BloodyC0bbler
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Last Edited: 2010-01-12 08:56:43
January 12 2010 08:30 GMT
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Welcome to the second issue of the New Year!


Letter from the Editor

Dear Readers,
Kau is mia this week apparently, so welcome to the magical cobblers land of PX.




Staff

Kau – Editor
ShoCkeyy – Editor
Bloodyc0bbler – The Stove/Editor
Nyovne – IRC Comments
NeverGG – Progamer Pics
Pholon – VOD of the Week
Grobyc – Ban of the Week
Vayesh – Academy of ESPORTS(retired ages ago)
LordWeird – Interview
meeple – Troll Booth/Shit Bus
Roffles – Troll Booth/Shit Bus
Fanatacist – Troll Booth/Shit Bus (banned)
DoctorHelvetica – Troll Booth/Shit Bus (resigned)
Thunk – Chalk talk

Table of Contents

Serious Business and Funsies ................ p1
The Stove .............................................. p2
Chalk Talk ............................................. p3
Semi-Funny IRC Comment of the Week ... p4
Progamer Photos ................................... p5
Random Image of the Week .................... p6
A Walk Down Memory Lane .................... p7
Troll Booth Willie .................................... p8
The Shit Bus .......................................... p8
Best of Blogs ......................................... p9
Ban of the Week .................................... p10
Vod of the Week .................................... p11
Academy of ESPORTS .......................... p12
Replays Time Forgot .............................. p13
Interview ................................................ p14

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Who knew Economics was so hard

The other lethal side of disease, the medical side


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Robot Sex FTW

A rallying cry for gamers everywhere....to smite a mom

Glider's art, deff a good watch


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Philly Burger
Ingredients

Provolone Cheese
Hot pepper
Roasted peppers
6 ounces of ground beef
Onions
Salt and pepper to taste

Directions
Turn the ground beef into a uniform patty, ¾ inch thick at most.
Preheat a grill or cast iron grill pan to high, and brush oil onto the patty, add salt and pepper, then grill till cooked to desired doneness.
Add cheese, peppers, and onions just before you finish.



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Flash in college?
Not exactly a troll.....but it scares me a bit
I can kill a squirrel with my fronthand loop

The Shit Bus

Teamliquid mods are generally known for their strict, no fucking around attitude around the forums. Everywhere you see a post in Red or Blue, you typically expect stellar posts, examples set for the rest of the community to follow. However, when machinehead arrives on the scene trying to hustle newb SC players for quick cash, the Red Army quickly mobilizes and all hell turns loose.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109352&currentpage=2

In just 5 minutes, the Reds and Blues have completely shit on the thread in spectacular fashion, even giving spawn to a response thread opened by TL's own Chill.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109357

Chill's Credentials? All-in'd vs JF when JF was 15 years old, discovering mobile photon cannons in dragoons, and beating Combat-Ex 3-1.

Later in the week, we saw a rise of Race ranking threads, led by the Ten Dragons Thread. Written in a rather professional form, the article questions whether or not Bisu should be even praised as a top Protoss Player. Hell breaks loose as Bisu fanboys and Roffles bashers come flocking to this 12 page shitfest.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109569

This would soon lead to rather unoriginal threads made by random posters about their own rankings. However, those threads lacked the originality and legitimacy to make it in this section.

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Ganfei was just banned by SonuvBob.

That account was created on 2008-08-29 09:43:01 and had 1439 posts.

Reason: It takes a lot of dedication to be a total douchebag so consistently for nearly 4 years. I admire your tenacity sir.


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TSL Nony Vs Idra

This series is exceptionally done, best emphasis for games would be game 2 and 4

Vod of the week:

(P)GosI[Flying] vs (Z)EffOrt on New Heartbreak Ridge
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And check out the Day analysis Here

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Academy of ESPORTS



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This issue of Pony express we bring you Kennigit. One of the various people responsible for bringing you the TSL. Welcome to the issue Kennigit, thanks for taking the time to do this.

Kennigit: My Pleasure!
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BC: With the TSL up and running now, I know it has created a lot of work for all those responsible with the endeavor. Could you describe what work is required to put together the TSL?

Kennigit: Everything we do or release publicly has had hours of discussion, tweaking, reworking, and iterating iterating iterating. Its ridiculously time consuming but at the end of the day we have a solid product that I think people appreciate
For example:
We spent 10 hours the day before the nony/idra cast fixing bugs, testing audio, and pulling our hair out with casting software that wouldn't cooperate.
This week is pretty nuts too with R3 and then Ro16 quickly approaching but we all get a big thrill out of the end result when we go live.
Theres basically two fronts this time around
The tournament side which includes all the rules, scheduling of refs/players/matches, keeping in contact with players, chasing them down when they don’t show up, figuring out where rules need to be implemented, drawing up brackets, discussing maps, tourney structure.... it goes on and on.
The side, which I’m more involved in, is the production side - all the graphics, posters, video, and streaming. That’s basically what I worry about - I was pretty stressed out during idra/nony. People don’t realize but while the observer is casting, we are in communication with him trying to correct issues as they arise. It's a bit crazy but a huge adrenaline rush.

The guys doing production are sick heroes so big props to r1ch, sigrun, and silversky

To give you an idea of how we iterate on production
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That’s just for 1 image during the announcement loll....
Hotbid has this phrase that we dread... "Hey, can you just change ____ to ____ just to see what it looks like?"
That’s the result hahah


BC: As you mentioned your part of the production side of things, how many people work on it with you, and who is basically the team lead? What role does said person take?

Kennigit: Well for art production, I’m the team lead - basically other staff come to me with things that need to get done for articles, broadcasts etc and I make sure that it gets done. It’s about 50/50 with doing it myself and delegating to one of the graphics guys depending on my workload. Usually hotbid and I go over it and tweak before it goes up. 

The stream/casting side is primarily handled by r1ch
But we all chip in a big. R1ch handles all the server stuff.... you’d be better to ask him about how it works - I know he has some scripts that load balance between our two video servers so neither gets too full.
We took a lot of feedback from the first broadcast - specifically people having issue on vista with WMP embed and in WMP itself. R1CH already has a solution so you can look forward to
That’s next weekend.
The other "official" team members are:
Sigrun - is doing all of the player portraits this time around. You've only seen idra/nony but the rest he's done look really sick! We've been doing some guessing work on what he should do next as we only have a week or two between when R3 finishes and ro16 begins.... trying to get as much done early as possible and finding work around
Silversky is my sous-chef I guess hahah. He does a lot of random banners and graphics that need to get done. If I don’t have time I can rely on him to get it done usually.
Then we have our regular graphics team who I grab now and again if it’s an emergency or our core group doesn't have time



BC: With all the work you guys have done, especially through the preliminaries, extra work was created for you guys via the abusers. We all know who they are, but when exactly did you become aware of the issue and how long were the discussions on how to deal with it?


Kennigit: We know immediately. I don't want to get too much into how we track people but when you have a wizard like r1ch on staff. We can see exactly who is doing what
So....
I was really pissed off and was demanding life bans for one in particular who has been abusing since 2002 and people don't realize it because he never fesses up...
We basically just bounced back and forth until we could all agree what punishments justified the crime and would help protect the integrity of our league.


BC: Excellent. I personally think they managed to get off a little easier than I wanted, but the punishment was a strict one even for a compromise. Now lets flash forward past the drama of all the eliminated players, and onto the standings. With the preliminaries over with, and the standings finalized for the qualifying round, what was your reaction to the player groups? Which did you think would be the most difficult group?

Kennigit: I guess group F or group L were the hardest imo. It’s disappointing that a few favorites got knocked out but that’s the nature of this beast. Thinking about it I’d love to have a few "wild cards" up top who some of my American friends may label as "terrible trash Europeans" haha.
To be honest I haven't even had time to go through all the replays yet to get a good feel for the games. The day they were played was a mad house because of idra/nony, and the next day getting set for day's cast. Overall though i'm pretty happy with the results.

BC: Yea, I can imagine. I remember checking facebook in between games of idra vs. nony only to be spoiled by inc's status.

Kennigit: yeah haha. I HATE getting spoiled but I didn't really have much of a choice haha.
I managed to keep the xiaozi r2 games unspoiled until day started to cast them so I enjoyed those

BC: Have you had the opportunity to watch the idra vs. nony games?

Kennigit: yeah I was watching them live spamming irc for changes intrigue needed to make on the camera and looking for things that were "wrong" haha. They were pretty great games though - I was really impressive at the level nony was playing at despite being inactive for so long and just getting back from a honeymoon


BC: I think we all were, the storms in game two were insanely well done.

Kennigit: yeah, kid thinks he's jangbi

BC: Speaking of Koreans, and I should say Korea in particular. Were there any complications getting a time set for idra and nony to play their series? Or complications during the series?


Kennigit: You'd have to ask hotbid - the first time I really had any involvement with the games themselves was when I was asking for the reps to be sent over so we could get the first match set up


BC: With the next leg of the tournament just a weekend away, are their any new things that are going to be implemented, or will it be a similar style to what we have currently seen?


Kennigit: R3 is going to be pretty similar except we'll have all 4 casters (Tasteless Day[9] Artosis and Chill) across two broadcasts. Video wise, it will be very similar.... Ro16 is the one to watch out for production wise. As these have just been qualifier rounds, they aren't "technically" TSL. We just threw this together because we thought it would be a good idea to
a) Let people watch these matches casted
And b) give ourselves some practice with more 'low key" games

BC: What all differently will you be doing in ro16, or is that going to be something you want to surprise us with?

Kennigit: hahah I you'll have to wait and see. It's going to be a good show though - tell your friends!

BC: most of my friends that are interested are already following the series haha
Since we know you’re a busy man, I would like to thank you for taking this brief amount of time away from TSL to answer just some of the questions that people would like asked. Is there anything else you would like to add to this issue?

Kennigit: My pleasure. The only thing I’d add is that I get PMs with some frequency asking how people can help with TSL without knowing what they should do specifically. Get the word out! Post on other message boards? LET THEM KNOW! Our prize pool DOUBLED from TSL1--->2.... anything is possible in the future if we can show that people are really interested. So yeah, start a thread, call your mom, tell your prof, etc… you know the drill



☺ Thanks for taking the time for this!


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Question of the Week
What new section would you like PX pick up next?



Also, for all sections missing pieces. If you have stuff to send me, pm it and I will edit it in.

Hope you enjoy the issue thus far everyone!
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 12 2010 08:49 GMT
#2
Kennigit is my hero too
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
January 12 2010 08:52 GMT
#3
LOL. This was posted sooner than I expected (I'm sure they are posted at about the same time every week, but yeah...).

I am in PX for two weeks running. I can't take the pressure.

Those TSL banners are amazing.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 12 2010 08:57 GMT
#4
Awesome interview... I was missing that. Thanks for taking charge and putting out the new issue.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 12 2010 09:02 GMT
#5
BC, Thumbs down.
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jk <3 GJ Buddy
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 12 2010 09:31 GMT
#6
It seems I might have to return to the shit bus / troll booth since that post seems to have a quick burn-out rate rofl
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 12 2010 09:33 GMT
#7
On January 12 2010 18:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
It seems I might have to return to the shit bus / troll booth since that post seems to have a quick burn-out rate rofl


Everyone burns out fast apparently.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
January 12 2010 17:54 GMT
#8
Little on IRC these days with my internship, exam comming up and thesis .

Need more IRC time! Need more people to send me stuff XD
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
January 12 2010 17:58 GMT
#9
Weekly nominations section...

#1 forum whore of the week
#1 asshole of the week
#1 poster (in terms of quality) of the week
#1 moderator (in terms of effort put into managing the site)
#1 thread

etc. etc.

Potentially very subjective but if you get a few good posters to collaborate on the above I think it might be interesting, and everyone likes the possibility of having their ego stroked so I think it would be a public success.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 12 2010 19:18 GMT
#10
Who's the handsome guy playing chess with the plushroom?
Thanks BC, Stove is the always the best part of px.
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ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
January 12 2010 19:34 GMT
#11
That burger sounds delicious... and I'm really not into burgers.
esq>n
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 12 2010 19:51 GMT
#12
LOL I didn't even know Kau was MIA... If I would have known, I would have posted it yesterday ._.

but either or, great PX issue!
Life?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 12 2010 21:04 GMT
#13
Isn't ganfei still posting on x.dark.carnival.x or whatever that name is?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
January 12 2010 21:07 GMT
#14
Thanks to all contributors, as always!
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
January 12 2010 22:18 GMT
#15
great interview and nice job BC
EcterA
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States949 Posts
January 12 2010 22:51 GMT
#16
Well done, really enjoyed The layout of The Sh** Bus this week, it told a nice story. Also a great interview!
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
January 13 2010 00:36 GMT
#17
This was a really disappointing issue, at least so far. Unless there are some late submissions this is probably the worst pony express yet.
U Gotta Skate.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 13 2010 02:39 GMT
#18
Nice interview. Gotta love those 50 million image revisions
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 13 2010 16:31 GMT
#19
Not a bad issue. I like the TSL work!
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
January 13 2010 16:59 GMT
#20
haha Ganfei. I was the last person he tried to bully <3
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
January 13 2010 21:17 GMT
#21
You could maybe include a short PL recap (just game winners/losers, no BRs or anything). Maybe a cooking for cooking for college students/people who can't cook, no offense to the stove - it's awesome - the recipes are sometimes a little more complex/ time consuming/ ingredient-heavy then people who can't cook/don't buy spices would be able to manage.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
January 14 2010 01:54 GMT
#22
On January 13 2010 09:36 ghermination wrote:
This was a really disappointing issue, at least so far. Unless there are some late submissions this is probably the worst pony express yet.


This was a really disappointing post. Unless you improve your posting, this is probably your worst post yet.



Thanks for the help c0bs! And iNc we would love you to be back on troll booth. You were so consistent :p
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 14 2010 01:59 GMT
#23
On January 14 2010 06:17 seppolevne wrote:
You could maybe include a short PL recap (just game winners/losers, no BRs or anything). Maybe a cooking for cooking for college students/people who can't cook, no offense to the stove - it's awesome - the recipes are sometimes a little more complex/ time consuming/ ingredient-heavy then people who can't cook/don't buy spices would be able to manage.

You can get spices at the dollar store, at least where I live.. theyre not actually very sketchy.
Also this week's recipe was really easy lol, it's just beef + cheese + any vegetables you can find..
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
January 14 2010 03:12 GMT
#24
On January 14 2010 10:59 starfries wrote:
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On January 14 2010 06:17 seppolevne wrote:
You could maybe include a short PL recap (just game winners/losers, no BRs or anything). Maybe a cooking for cooking for college students/people who can't cook, no offense to the stove - it's awesome - the recipes are sometimes a little more complex/ time consuming/ ingredient-heavy then people who can't cook/don't buy spices would be able to manage.

You can get spices at the dollar store, at least where I live.. theyre not actually very sketchy.
Also this week's recipe was really easy lol, it's just beef + cheese + any vegetables you can find..

Yes I realize that, but I have friends that don't even know how to make grilled cheese. I don't know how many people on TL that includes, and maybe a weekly recap isn't the best place for an intro cooking lesson but... meh.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 14 2010 03:47 GMT
#25
On January 14 2010 12:12 seppolevne wrote:
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On January 14 2010 10:59 starfries wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:17 seppolevne wrote:
You could maybe include a short PL recap (just game winners/losers, no BRs or anything). Maybe a cooking for cooking for college students/people who can't cook, no offense to the stove - it's awesome - the recipes are sometimes a little more complex/ time consuming/ ingredient-heavy then people who can't cook/don't buy spices would be able to manage.

You can get spices at the dollar store, at least where I live.. theyre not actually very sketchy.
Also this week's recipe was really easy lol, it's just beef + cheese + any vegetables you can find..

Yes I realize that, but I have friends that don't even know how to make grilled cheese. I don't know how many people on TL that includes, and maybe a weekly recap isn't the best place for an intro cooking lesson but... meh.


Search for one of my blogs. or better yet, Ill just link it. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=78836

That blog is designed for people who can't cook. You just post what ingredients you have at home, and how easy of a meal you want. And I then take said list and give instructions on how to make something easy.

I appreciate the feedback, but it is reallly hard to create a student cooking section when ingredients differ based on where you live (people in res have some of the worst selections imaginable usually).

So yea, the blog I linked is your best bet for easy fast stuff
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
January 14 2010 03:50 GMT
#26
On January 14 2010 10:54 Kau wrote:
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On January 13 2010 09:36 ghermination wrote:
This was a really disappointing issue, at least so far. Unless there are some late submissions this is probably the worst pony express yet.


This was a really disappointing post. Unless you improve your posting, this is probably your worst post yet.



Thanks for the help c0bs! And iNc we would love you to be back on troll booth. You were so consistent :p

=\, There were only like half the entries and the writing, for once, was lackluster. The interview with Kennigit was good but i think it was just a bad issue.
U Gotta Skate.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 14 2010 03:59 GMT
#27
God I missed this week's PX. Sorry about that.
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