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On December 19 2009 15:29 BloodDrunK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 07:14 StarN wrote:
In order to answer these questions you might have to elaborate a bit more on the girls personalities
-Their religion, and respective piety
-Their family and family history
-Their socio-economic class
-Their artistic and literary talents
-Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism
-Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture
-Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities
-Their mental and emotional stability
-Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life
-Their racial origins (if not already clear)
-Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)
Depending on what she answers for these I might say yes. YOU are my idol.
For quoting Moltke?
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On December 19 2009 15:29 BloodDrunK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 07:14 StarN wrote:
In order to answer these questions you might have to elaborate a bit more on the girls personalities
-Their religion, and respective piety
-Their family and family history
-Their socio-economic class
-Their artistic and literary talents
-Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism
-Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture
-Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities
-Their mental and emotional stability
-Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life
-Their racial origins (if not already clear)
-Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)
Depending on what she answers for these I might say yes. YOU are my idol.
He's so obviously asian I dont even kno where to begin
In the beginning, when you don't know anything about sex, you go for the hot ones. After a couple, though, you realize that the funkiest girls are the best... and they arent necessarily the best looking, but they probably are the best in bed and the ones who care for you the deepest. And that's really what it's all about, not how much ego you can get from your buddies when you show them a picture of some hot girl's face after you came on it
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On December 19 2009 15:34 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:29 BloodDrunK wrote:On December 19 2009 07:14 StarN wrote:
In order to answer these questions you might have to elaborate a bit more on the girls personalities
-Their religion, and respective piety
-Their family and family history
-Their socio-economic class
-Their artistic and literary talents
-Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism
-Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture
-Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities
-Their mental and emotional stability
-Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life
-Their racial origins (if not already clear)
-Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)
Depending on what she answers for these I might say yes. YOU are my idol. He's so obviously asian I dont even kno where to begin In the beginning, when you don't know anything about sex, you go for the hot ones. After a couple, though, you realize that the funkiest girls are the best... and they arent necessarily the best looking, but they probably are the best in bed and the ones who care for you the deepest. And that's really what it's all about, not how much ego you can get from your buddies when you show them a picture of some hot girl's face after you came on it
Who cares about looks when your getting laid???
all you need to know is if she's good in bed or not???
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man i got trolled pretty hard from that...haha moltke
The only reason i believed it was cause a Korean said it, which doesn't make that much sense when I think about it.
Also Skypig: you are extremely naive, the reason divorce rates are high is because divorces are possible, scandals and multiple partners/ "cheating" have existed since relationships have existed. Despite what you may think the "traditional" family structure isn't actually traditional, and it actually less prevalent in the world than multiple partner relationships, as well as less successful. The main reason people say that many more people are cheating/ having marital problems is because there is 10000x more media exposure of this behavior.
Example: Italy in 17/18th century, it was common, expected even, for every husband and wife to have a mistress or lover. There was very little negative social context towards this, partly because marriages have originated from political arrangements between families, not undying love.
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^^same thing with tiger woods then???
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aha! negative social context! is that it?..
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On December 19 2009 15:26 bloopie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:11 skypig wrote:On December 19 2009 13:43 ShaperofDreams wrote:On December 19 2009 13:31 skypig wrote:
Oh, don't worry, they're out there - they're just rare. Some people prefer quality to quantity - I say a faithful wife is better than a thousand whores any day. Ahhh yes, but until that faithful wife... As Kennigit says, all the women before your final one are practice. If you get used to "practicing" with women, don't bother finding "the final one." You're just practicing to get divorced. There's a reason the U.S. divorce rate is over 50% right now - it's 'cause too many guys like "practicing." Somehow it doesn't seem like doing that pays off, but maybe some dudes like getting divorced and going through all that hassle. Heh - I find it funny that you call women "practice." I wonder what a girl would say if you told her "Don't worry, honey, you're just practice for the next one." I take it you either don't know girls very well, or you're just being sarcastic and I'm overreacting. what if i said that women tend to think in the same way? at least from ages 18-25 - only when they realize their bio clocks are ticking badly, then they will start looking for "the one". Good luck then.
So if you have both men and women thinking that the other partner in the relationship is "just practice" for the next time around (which happens all the time, sadly), what does that leave you with? Aren't you just being used by your so-called "partner"? If you can live with yourself knowing that you're nothing but convenient physical pleasure for the other person, then I guess it's your right. If the man knows he's being used by the woman (which is pathetic, but whatever) and vice versa, then that's pretty sad - but I guess that's how things are.
I admit I don't understand why people would prefer this "practicing" to having just a single faithful partner - from my own experience I can say that couples consisting of a single "stable" pair are way happier than those who are "just practicing."
Honestly, if all people want is physical pleasure, I don't see why they have to stick to each other for it - there's plenty of animals, objects, and even same-sex stuff for that. Come to think of it, I guess that explains homosexuality, bestiality, and all the stuff in between. Just people looking for pleasure. I tend to think of relationships as being based on more than just that, but I guess you would all disagree.
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On December 19 2009 15:44 skypig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:26 bloopie wrote:On December 19 2009 15:11 skypig wrote:On December 19 2009 13:43 ShaperofDreams wrote:On December 19 2009 13:31 skypig wrote:
Oh, don't worry, they're out there - they're just rare. Some people prefer quality to quantity - I say a faithful wife is better than a thousand whores any day. Ahhh yes, but until that faithful wife... As Kennigit says, all the women before your final one are practice. If you get used to "practicing" with women, don't bother finding "the final one." You're just practicing to get divorced. There's a reason the U.S. divorce rate is over 50% right now - it's 'cause too many guys like "practicing." Somehow it doesn't seem like doing that pays off, but maybe some dudes like getting divorced and going through all that hassle. Heh - I find it funny that you call women "practice." I wonder what a girl would say if you told her "Don't worry, honey, you're just practice for the next one." I take it you either don't know girls very well, or you're just being sarcastic and I'm overreacting. what if i said that women tend to think in the same way? at least from ages 18-25 - only when they realize their bio clocks are ticking badly, then they will start looking for "the one". Good luck then. So if you have both men and women thinking that the other partner in the relationship is "just practice" for the next time around (which happens all the time, sadly), what does that leave you with? Aren't you just being used by your so-called "partner"? If you can live with yourself knowing that you're nothing but convenient physical pleasure for the other person, then I guess it's your right. If the man knows he's being used by the woman (which is pathetic, but whatever) and vice versa, then that's pretty sad - but I guess that's how things are. I admit I don't understand why people would prefer this "practicing" to having just a single faithful partner - from my own experience I can say that couples consisting of a single "stable" pair are way happier than those who are "just practicing." Honestly, if all people want is physical pleasure, I don't see why they have to stick to each other for it - there's plenty of animals, objects, and even same-sex stuff for that. Come to think of it, I guess that explains homosexuality, bestiality, and all the stuff in between. Just people looking for pleasure. I tend to think of relationships as being based on more than just that, but I guess you would all disagree.
You're misunderstanding this. One-night stand girls are practice. You usually don't enter a relationship unless you think there is a possibility for something long term. Not all sex happens in relationships, and you're confusing that issue. Sex =/= relationship.
On December 19 2009 15:34 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:29 BloodDrunK wrote:On December 19 2009 07:14 StarN wrote:
In order to answer these questions you might have to elaborate a bit more on the girls personalities
-Their religion, and respective piety
-Their family and family history
-Their socio-economic class
-Their artistic and literary talents
-Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism
-Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture
-Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities
-Their mental and emotional stability
-Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life
-Their racial origins (if not already clear)
-Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)
Depending on what she answers for these I might say yes. YOU are my idol. He's so obviously asian I dont even kno where to begin In the beginning, when you don't know anything about sex, you go for the hot ones. After a couple, though, you realize that the funkiest girls are the best... and they arent necessarily the best looking, but they probably are the best in bed and the ones who care for you the deepest. And that's really what it's all about, not how much ego you can get from your buddies when you show them a picture of some hot girl's face after you came on it
They have to be good at sex. They know no one would stay with their ugly-asses if they weren't! haha (I'm kidding.)
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some people prefer full ring and some prefer heads up skypig
you gotta sk..
btw you dont seem to have any understanding of relationships, you completely fucked up the point that was made, you date women not just for "practice" in a physical way, but also for practice at handling relationships. you assume that a short term relationship, or a "liberal" one, is based off of physical desire only.
also read my previous post.
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On December 19 2009 15:50 ShaperofDreams wrote:
some people prefer full ring and some prefer heads up skypig
you gotta sk..
btw you dont seem to have any understanding of relationships, you completely fucked up the point that was made, you date women not just for "practice" in a physical way, but also for practice at handling relationships. you assume that a short term relationship, or a "liberal" one, is based off of physical desire only.
also read my previous post.
I disagree on the dating thing. I won't date a girl unless I think there is potential for a very long term relationship. Otherwise, being with one person is pointless.
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What do you define as a very long term relationship?
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On December 19 2009 15:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:50 ShaperofDreams wrote:
some people prefer full ring and some prefer heads up skypig
you gotta sk..
btw you dont seem to have any understanding of relationships, you completely fucked up the point that was made, you date women not just for "practice" in a physical way, but also for practice at handling relationships. you assume that a short term relationship, or a "liberal" one, is based off of physical desire only.
also read my previous post. I disagree on the dating thing. I won't date a girl unless I think there is potential for a very long term relationship. Otherwise, being with one person is pointless.
+1.same thing with me.i need to know that the relationship is going somewhere or there is no point in sticking arround.
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On December 19 2009 15:39 ShaperofDreams wrote:
man i got trolled pretty hard from that...haha moltke
The only reason i believed it was cause a Korean said it, which doesn't make that much sense when I think about it.
Also Skypig: you are extremely naive, the reason divorce rates are high is because divorces are possible, scandals and multiple partners/ "cheating" have existed since relationships have existed. Despite what you may think the "traditional" family structure isn't actually traditional, and it actually less prevalent in the world than multiple partner relationships, as well as less successful. The main reason people say that many more people are cheating/ having marital problems is because there is 10000x more media exposure of this behavior.
Example: Italy in 17/18th century, it was common, expected even, for every husband and wife to have a mistress or lover. There was very little negative social context towards this, partly because marriages have originated from political arrangements between families, not undying love.
So what if scandals and cheating have existed since relationships existed? Does that somehow justify the rising divorce rate? The very fact that it's GOING UP shows that it has more to do with the values of the people involved rather than with its historical existence. The divorce rate used to be much, much lower - if what you're saying is true, then it would have been at a constantly high rate, which is not the case.
You're correct when you cite media issues as being an influence - however the REASON that the media shows such behavior is because that's what people want. They don't show this stuff for no reason. Like you said, it's been going on since way long ago; it's just that now, people are becoming more accepting of it and therefore they need more and more. The media spreads the trash around, people accept it, it affects their VALUES, and then they follow what they've seen. I bet most of the people posting right now are acting more under the influence of the media than their own better judgment, values, and conscience. I'm still right when I say that "practicing" on women leads to divorce - and that's because "practicing" means that you're not looking for a stable relationship, you're just looking for pleasure and "trying out" all the girls you can. That doesn't lend itself well to marriage, as is evidenced by the laughable divorce rate we have.
In short, all I'm trying to do is point out how stupid it is to have a "I'm using you, you're using me" interaction with someone in the light of having a stable relationship. But, if all you're looking for is pleasure, than marriage isn't important anyway, right?
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On December 19 2009 15:50 ShaperofDreams wrote:
some people prefer full ring and some prefer heads up skypig
you gotta sk..
btw you dont seem to have any understanding of relationships, you completely fucked up the point that was made, you date women not just for "practice" in a physical way, but also for practice at handling relationships. you assume that a short term relationship, or a "liberal" one, is based off of physical desire only.
also read my previous post.
Dude, it was you who mentioned that Kennigit said that "all the woman before the final one are practice", and that's what I was attacking, since by that you mean that ALL relationships before the final one are "practice." The problem I have with the practice thing is that it gives you the wrong mentality for relationships - if you're thinking "this is practice", then you're not going to want to settle with one person and make it permanent. At some point, you have to stop thinking that or you won't stay with one person. When you're "practicing" relationships, all you're really practicing is how to get with someone for a while, break up, and keep looking for "the one" or "the better person." You have to stop thinking that practicing trash if you want to settle down with one person; otherwise you'll always be "practicing" (which leads to cheating, multiple partners, etc.). In other words, it's impossible to actually BE a stable pair with someone if you're "practicing."
And as for your comment on short term relationships, I'm not sure why you'd bother having a short-term relationship anyway - if you know it's not going to last, you're basically admitting that you're using the other person temporarily. If you cared about anything more than physical pleasure (i.e. their feelings, emotions, etc.) I'm not sure why you'd be entering into such a relationship considering that no one likes being considered a "short-term" commitment. If you do care about more than physical desire, than you're going against your better judgment in a short-term interaction because you KNOW that you'll be hurting the other person by leaving them eventually.
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I feel like this is happening to me right now, and I haven't picked in real life yet. I mean, I won't do it, but it's hard to resist just fooling around. What's more insane is that these girls have never done anything with any guys.
What the H.
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On December 19 2009 15:53 ShaperofDreams wrote:
What do you define as a very long term relationship?
Potential for marriage. I also realize that is impossible to find out immediately, but if I don't click with a girl immediately (like we have very different political or religious views) I won't stick around. I will, however, continue to have sex with her until she realizes that what we have is not going anywhere. Am I a horrible person? Maybe, but what's a man to do?
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On December 19 2009 16:24 skypig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 15:50 ShaperofDreams wrote:
some people prefer full ring and some prefer heads up skypig
you gotta sk..
btw you dont seem to have any understanding of relationships, you completely fucked up the point that was made, you date women not just for "practice" in a physical way, but also for practice at handling relationships. you assume that a short term relationship, or a "liberal" one, is based off of physical desire only.
also read my previous post. Dude, it was you who mentioned that Kennigit said that "all the woman before the final one are practice", and that's what I was attacking, since by that you mean that ALL relationships before the final one are "practice." The problem I have with the practice thing is that it gives you the wrong mentality for relationships - if you're thinking "this is practice", then you're not going to want to settle with one person and make it permanent. At some point, you have to stop thinking that or you won't stay with one person. When you're "practicing" relationships, all you're really practicing is how to get with someone for a while, break up, and keep looking for "the one" or "the better person." You have to stop thinking that practicing trash if you want to settle down with one person; otherwise you'll always be "practicing" (which leads to cheating, multiple partners, etc.). In other words, it's impossible to actually BE a stable pair with someone if you're "practicing." And as for your comment on short term relationships, I'm not sure why you'd bother having a short-term relationship anyway - if you know it's not going to last, you're basically admitting that you're using the other person temporarily. If you cared about anything more than physical pleasure (i.e. their feelings, emotions, etc.) I'm not sure why you'd be entering into such a relationship considering that no one likes being considered a "short-term" commitment. If you do care about more than physical desire, than you're going against your better judgment in a short-term interaction because you KNOW that you'll be hurting the other person by leaving them eventually.
Short term relationships is a nicer way of saying one-night stand or fuck buddy.
You're still completely misunderstanding the idea of practice girls. Practice girls = one night stands and fuck buddies. No one goes into a relationship thinking "This is practice for another girl later on." It may be something that you say after the relationship doesn't work out (and good luck having the first one you ever enter work out. And you'll need a shitton of self-control and self-deprivation to avoid having sex with her) to make yourself feel better, but the mentality isn't to use a girl as a practice girl. If you decide to start seriously dating someone (at least in my mind), it's because you think that there is potential for something more than being physical.
You're speaking from a point of view that greatly lacks experience, which you've admitted. I don't mean to be an asshole, but you really don't know what you're talking about. I used to think very similarly, then I had a gf for a while and I learned a few things. It didn't work out in the end, but I also didn't go into that thinking "this girl will be good practice for another girl that's worth something later on." I thought "man, this girl is amazing, I really want to be with her. I better make this clear and start dating her so I don't lose her (obviously not verbatim)."
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If theres stds or when i run out of cum.
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These are pretty odd "typical circumstances".
I disagree with NeverGG in so far as I feel sex is an important part of relationships. Relationships are an important part of my life, ergo sex is important.
That being said, completely casual sex such as the situations you've proposed (if they were more general neutral) ceased to interest me a fair while ago.
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