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On September 09 2009 08:32 lMPERVlOUS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 07:53 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bodybuilders are burning less than 1000 calories from exercise. They're burning a lot more when not exercising since they weigh more. Maybe 1000 calories more. And then since they are trying to build mass, they have to eat more than they burn, which would be an extra ~500 a day. So they're 4k calories short on exericse, they catch up 1k on weight, and another 500 because of their goal. They're 2500+++ calories short of Phelps. Umm, not quite. I was hooked up to a device which measured the amount of calories burned during a workout - I was burning calories in excess of 1000 per hour, during the heavy weight lifting parts of my workouts. Although my training plan included sprints and cardio, the "bulking" parts of it still burnt a shitload of calories - do you know how many calories are burned when you are leg-pressing over 1000 lbs? If you don't believe me, do the math.
Weightlifting does NOT burn a lot of calories. Probably less then 300-400 for an hour of weightlifting. Even simple slow ass jogging (aka "cardio" where you can read a magazine during it) burns more than weightlifting does.
Heavy weightlifting does, however, promote an anabolic environment for building muscle through neuroendocrine response by increasing growth hormone, testosterone, etc. Muscle requires energy to build and maintain. This is where the extra calories are needed -- to maintain and build muscle mass.
This is why when high intensity exercise (heavy lifting, metabolic conditioning, intervals, etc.) is recommended for "burning fat" it's not because of the calories burned. It's because of the neuroendocrine response and stress on the muscles. For example, studies like this: http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html
NEPA/NEAT burn much more calories than weightlifting does. Physical job would more than qualify for this.
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On September 09 2009 07:19 eMbrace wrote: Most people on here (and it's nothing to be ashamed of) -- would be completely wiped out if they swam 1-2 laps of freestyle.
it burns a shit load of energy.
wipeout after 2 laps of freestyle?
you gotta be seriously weaksauce to only be able to swim that much. swimming isn't that taxing
now if it were boxing, then I'd say that most everybody on here will wipeout after 1 round of 2 min sparring, not even a full round. That's how demanding boxing is.
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On September 09 2009 09:25 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 07:19 eMbrace wrote: Most people on here (and it's nothing to be ashamed of) -- would be completely wiped out if they swam 1-2 laps of freestyle.
it burns a shit load of energy.
wipeout after 2 laps of freestyle? you gotta be seriously weaksauce to only be able to swim that much. swimming isn't that taxing now if it were boxing, then I'd say that most everybody on here will wipeout after 1 round of 2 min sparring, not even a full round. That's how demanding boxing is.
agree any sport where your head to head is extremely taxing, many types of fighting and wrestling.
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On September 09 2009 08:40 igotmyown wrote: Oh so you leg press over 1000 pounds for one hour straight with no breaks? Then I'm sure you burn an excess of 1000 calories per hour.
And if you're not such a freak of nature, you burn doing VIGOROUS weightlifting:
The "average" man weighs 191 lbs. The "average" man's maximum bench press is about 135.....
Where is this "vigorous" workout based from? The "average" man? How intense is "vigorous"? How often are rests? How rapid are reps? How many reps? How would that affect someone who weighs much more than the average man, with the capability to lift much more than the average man?
Seriously, don't throw stats in peoples faces. It's a waste of time and effort unless they are actually applicable. A 191 lb man, with a max bench of 135, working hard will burn 500 calories? What about a 250 lb man, with a max bench of well over 300, working hard? Are they even in the same category? Is that what you are trying to tell me?
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On September 09 2009 09:25 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 07:19 eMbrace wrote: Most people on here (and it's nothing to be ashamed of) -- would be completely wiped out if they swam 1-2 laps of freestyle.
it burns a shit load of energy.
wipeout after 2 laps of freestyle? you gotta be seriously weaksauce to only be able to swim that much. swimming isn't that taxing now if it were boxing, then I'd say that most everybody on here will wipeout after 1 round of 2 min sparring, not even a full round. That's how demanding boxing is.
im not talking about eldery lap swimming.
a few laps of some real effort -- from what i see in real life most people need a breather.
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On September 09 2009 10:00 lMPERVlOUS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 08:40 igotmyown wrote: Oh so you leg press over 1000 pounds for one hour straight with no breaks? Then I'm sure you burn an excess of 1000 calories per hour.
And if you're not such a freak of nature, you burn doing VIGOROUS weightlifting:
The "average" man weighs 191 lbs. The "average" man's maximum bench press is about 135..... Where is this "vigorous" workout based from? The "average" man? How intense is "vigorous"? How often are rests? How rapid are reps? How many reps? How would that affect someone who weighs much more than the average man, with the capability to lift much more than the average man? Seriously, don't throw stats in peoples faces. It's a waste of time and effort unless they are actually applicable. A 191 lb man, with a max bench of 135, working hard will burn 500 calories? What about a 250 lb man, with a max bench of well over 300, working hard? Are they even in the same category? Is that what you are trying to tell me?
I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures.
You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
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On September 09 2009 10:17 igotmyown wrote: I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures.
Yet again, without knowing how this was calculated, how useful is the knowledge? I'm sure that the "average" man, working "vigorously" could burn 500 calories an hour while weightlifting, but what about an actual bodybuilder?
You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Peak was just over 1350..... Average over a half-hour hooked up to the machine was about 1020.
Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
Yes, weight lifting is awesome. No, I am not an awesome weightlifter, and I never have been. I have seen many people who can put me to shame - and I can burn 1k calories an hour.....
The reason I was hooked up to it was because I was trying hard to gain weight, and I was eating 5-7k calories per day, yet I was actually losing weight. I was setup on the machine (it recorded body temperature, electrolytes, and some other shit, I don't totally understand how it works), and I was surprised at the results..... Burning ~4k calories daily, plus the nearly 3k to sustain my body weight meant I was not able to gain anything.....
And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
Ultimately, it depends on why you are doing the weightlifting, and how you do it. When I was doing it, I was focusing on explosiveness and recovery (necessary for football). It is excellent for building the foundation of an athlete (along with appropriate cardio, and agility training), but that doesn't mean you will be an awesome athlete.
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when I first read this I thought it said "Half hot teen", then I watched the video and lol'd.
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On September 09 2009 12:08 lMPERVlOUS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 10:17 igotmyown wrote: I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures. Yet again, without knowing how this was calculated, how useful is the knowledge? I'm sure that the "average" man, working "vigorously" could burn 500 calories an hour while weightlifting, but what about an actual bodybuilder? Show nested quote + You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Peak was just over 1350..... Average over a half-hour hooked up to the machine was about 1020. Show nested quote + Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
Yes, weight lifting is awesome. No, I am not an awesome weightlifter, and I never have been. I have seen many people who can put me to shame - and I can burn 1k calories an hour..... The reason I was hooked up to it was because I was trying hard to gain weight, and I was eating 5-7k calories per day, yet I was actually losing weight. I was setup on the machine (it recorded body temperature, electrolytes, and some other shit, I don't totally understand how it works), and I was surprised at the results..... Burning ~4k calories daily, plus the nearly 3k to sustain my body weight meant I was not able to gain anything..... Show nested quote + And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
Ultimately, it depends on why you are doing the weightlifting, and how you do it. When I was doing it, I was focusing on explosiveness and recovery (necessary for football). It is excellent for building the foundation of an athlete (along with appropriate cardio, and agility training), but that doesn't mean you will be an awesome athlete. Yeah well I ate 500 calories a day and lifted weights 10 hours every day and gained weight.
edit: i was also hooked up to a magical science device that told me weightlifting adds 200 calories per hour.
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On September 09 2009 12:22 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 12:08 lMPERVlOUS wrote:On September 09 2009 10:17 igotmyown wrote: I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures. Yet again, without knowing how this was calculated, how useful is the knowledge? I'm sure that the "average" man, working "vigorously" could burn 500 calories an hour while weightlifting, but what about an actual bodybuilder? You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Peak was just over 1350..... Average over a half-hour hooked up to the machine was about 1020. Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
Yes, weight lifting is awesome. No, I am not an awesome weightlifter, and I never have been. I have seen many people who can put me to shame - and I can burn 1k calories an hour..... The reason I was hooked up to it was because I was trying hard to gain weight, and I was eating 5-7k calories per day, yet I was actually losing weight. I was setup on the machine (it recorded body temperature, electrolytes, and some other shit, I don't totally understand how it works), and I was surprised at the results..... Burning ~4k calories daily, plus the nearly 3k to sustain my body weight meant I was not able to gain anything..... And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
Ultimately, it depends on why you are doing the weightlifting, and how you do it. When I was doing it, I was focusing on explosiveness and recovery (necessary for football). It is excellent for building the foundation of an athlete (along with appropriate cardio, and agility training), but that doesn't mean you will be an awesome athlete. Yeah well I ate 500 calories a day and lifted weights 10 hours every day and gained weight. edit: i was also hooked up to a magical science device that told me weightlifting adds 200 calories per hour.
I think it's useless talking about bodybuilding on a VIDEO GAME forum. Obviously, PERVIOUS we are in the minority.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 09 2009 12:38 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 12:22 psion0011 wrote:On September 09 2009 12:08 lMPERVlOUS wrote:On September 09 2009 10:17 igotmyown wrote: I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures. Yet again, without knowing how this was calculated, how useful is the knowledge? I'm sure that the "average" man, working "vigorously" could burn 500 calories an hour while weightlifting, but what about an actual bodybuilder? You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Peak was just over 1350..... Average over a half-hour hooked up to the machine was about 1020. Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
Yes, weight lifting is awesome. No, I am not an awesome weightlifter, and I never have been. I have seen many people who can put me to shame - and I can burn 1k calories an hour..... The reason I was hooked up to it was because I was trying hard to gain weight, and I was eating 5-7k calories per day, yet I was actually losing weight. I was setup on the machine (it recorded body temperature, electrolytes, and some other shit, I don't totally understand how it works), and I was surprised at the results..... Burning ~4k calories daily, plus the nearly 3k to sustain my body weight meant I was not able to gain anything..... And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
Ultimately, it depends on why you are doing the weightlifting, and how you do it. When I was doing it, I was focusing on explosiveness and recovery (necessary for football). It is excellent for building the foundation of an athlete (along with appropriate cardio, and agility training), but that doesn't mean you will be an awesome athlete. Yeah well I ate 500 calories a day and lifted weights 10 hours every day and gained weight. edit: i was also hooked up to a magical science device that told me weightlifting adds 200 calories per hour. I think it's useless talking about bodybuilding on a VIDEO GAME forum. Obviously, PERVIOUS we are in the minority. Clearly you two are the only people to have stepped into a gym from this thread. You are very special.
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On September 09 2009 12:54 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 12:38 Aegraen wrote:On September 09 2009 12:22 psion0011 wrote:On September 09 2009 12:08 lMPERVlOUS wrote:On September 09 2009 10:17 igotmyown wrote: I listed the first 3 sources I could find on calories burned while weightlifting, and they conveniently had a vigorous category. The three sources had very similar figures for all three weight classes presented and were nowhere near your figures. Yet again, without knowing how this was calculated, how useful is the knowledge? I'm sure that the "average" man, working "vigorously" could burn 500 calories an hour while weightlifting, but what about an actual bodybuilder? You've shown no sources aside from an anecdotal story about how during your bench press you can burn at a rate of 1000 calories per hour, and completely ignored the hole in your logic of "I burn this much at my peak therefore I burn this much all the time". Furthermore, you were the one trying to refute nony's weightlifting doesn't burn as much as you think argument, which is commonly reported, in fact I gave three sources which corroborated this.
Peak was just over 1350..... Average over a half-hour hooked up to the machine was about 1020. Basically it sounds like your argument is: 1) weightlifting is awesome!!! 2) I'm an awesome weightlifter!! 3) Wow I must be awesome awesome!!!
Yes, weight lifting is awesome. No, I am not an awesome weightlifter, and I never have been. I have seen many people who can put me to shame - and I can burn 1k calories an hour..... The reason I was hooked up to it was because I was trying hard to gain weight, and I was eating 5-7k calories per day, yet I was actually losing weight. I was setup on the machine (it recorded body temperature, electrolytes, and some other shit, I don't totally understand how it works), and I was surprised at the results..... Burning ~4k calories daily, plus the nearly 3k to sustain my body weight meant I was not able to gain anything..... And as an aside, I think weightlifting is great, especially for sports, and I prefer it to cardio. But there's more effective ways to spend time if you want to lose weight. And 1000 pounds leg press is impressive.
Ultimately, it depends on why you are doing the weightlifting, and how you do it. When I was doing it, I was focusing on explosiveness and recovery (necessary for football). It is excellent for building the foundation of an athlete (along with appropriate cardio, and agility training), but that doesn't mean you will be an awesome athlete. Yeah well I ate 500 calories a day and lifted weights 10 hours every day and gained weight. edit: i was also hooked up to a magical science device that told me weightlifting adds 200 calories per hour. I think it's useless talking about bodybuilding on a VIDEO GAME forum. Obviously, PERVIOUS we are in the minority. Clearly you two are the only people to have stepped into a gym from this thread. You are very special.
Obviously.
Ain't sarcasm grand!
You can easily burn 1000 calories power lifting (Fatiguing your muscles). Most weightlifting sessions run me between 1HR 45MIN to 2HR 30MIN and that is a good hour shorter than most Bodybuilding regimens.
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I would think swimming uses all of your body and consuming 4-8k calories is reasonable. 10,000 + though I'd like to hear how much hes exercising, at first glance that sounds unreasonable... a lot of questions and speculation as usual from people with less than personal experience... hardest lesson to learn on the internet 'I swears it, Jesus!'
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On September 09 2009 15:44 Xenixx wrote: I would think swimming uses all of your body and consuming 4-8k calories is reasonable. 10,000 + though I'd like to hear how much hes exercising, at first glance that sounds unreasonable... a lot of questions and speculation as usual from people with less than personal experience... hardest lesson to learn on the internet 'I swears it, Jesus!'
Let's just assume he practices swimming a lot harder than average. You know... like he's trying to be the fastest in the world at it.
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On September 09 2009 10:16 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2009 09:25 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 09 2009 07:19 eMbrace wrote: Most people on here (and it's nothing to be ashamed of) -- would be completely wiped out if they swam 1-2 laps of freestyle.
it burns a shit load of energy.
wipeout after 2 laps of freestyle? you gotta be seriously weaksauce to only be able to swim that much. swimming isn't that taxing now if it were boxing, then I'd say that most everybody on here will wipeout after 1 round of 2 min sparring, not even a full round. That's how demanding boxing is. im not talking about eldery lap swimming. a few laps of some real effort -- from what i see in real life most people need a breather. To be fair, the mechanics of swimming play an important role as well. I can jog for about 45minutes and probably elliptical for hour+, but I've completely forgotten swimming technique so I'll be winded after 5~ laps.
Also, this is an aside but about the previous article someone posted, the facts on "HIIT > ET" are pretty shaky as of right now. The Tremblay study is often taken out of context because it didn't really show much in the first place. The control was bad and the final measurements are strange.
Wait, so what the hell is this argument even about? Whether body builders require more calories than Phelps? There's so many other variables besides "lifting vs. swimming." Why even bother?
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Ughh. Thats disgusting, his mom is spoiling him.
I get disgusted when I get a pot belly and I would exercise and eat less to get it to go away.
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Yknow what would really suck. If you got so fat random people on the internet you'd never hear of talked about how fat you were.
Also this is child abuse, real child abuse. If he doesn't have some strange disease his life expectancy is probably like 30 years old now.
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Netherlands4637 Posts
I love how the operater in the surgery room slaps the big chunk of fat they just cut off at 6:39 in part 3. Hahahahahahaha!
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the part of his brain that tells him he's full does not work properly
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