EPTHome invasion & excessive force. - Page 3
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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shidonu
United States50 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:04 illu wrote: What if someone's door was unlocked, and for whatever reason only god knows, I entered purely by accident? Do I get shot? I think it's bogus; in the end, it's the gun law that causes this problem. If no ordinary citizens can own guns, we won't need stupid laws like this. Brilliant! No need for self defense laws if we make law abiding citizens defenseless! If only we could all see things as clearly as you do. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
Who looks like a thief, then? Do I have to dress a certain way, speak a certain way, and/or have a certain skin colour? | ||
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wok
United States504 Posts
On September 01 2009 16:24 benjammin wrote: wait a minute, i didn't order any pizza... KABLAMMMM hell yeah. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:13 shidonu wrote: Brilliant! No need for self defense laws if we make law abiding citizens defenseless! If only we could all see things as clearly as you do. You may think it's ridiculous, but robbers do not break into your home to kill you - with very few exceptions (probably less likely than being killed by lightning). They break into your home because they want money, and the gun is just to scare you. On the other hand, if you bring a gun to defend yourself, the situation changes. The robber is human too - and thus will defend his life at all costs. When you point your gun at him, despite your so-called "just causes", you just made the robber to be more likely to open fire. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:15 illu wrote: Who looks like a thief, then? Do I have to dress a certain way, speak a certain way, and/or have a certain skin colour? a theif knows what he is doing is wrong and will act differently from someone that accidentally entered a home. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On September 01 2009 16:17 Misrah wrote: I know that in america, you can do what you like- under these conditions: You can only shoot the intruder when they are attacking you / threatening you. They must be facing/running towards you. If you shoot them at any other time, they or their family can press charges and you can be tried for murder. Ie. if they have a gun and have their backs faced twards you and are running away, shooting them would be a crime. Then you don't know your own country very well, because a man in texas shot an unarmed kid in the back of the head while he was kneeling in front of him, execution-style, and got away scot free. They broke in to steal some food  | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:11 nttea wrote: wow... i never realised how many insane people there were out there, you know the chances seem higher than i will accidentally enter someones property and get shot rather than being murdered by some random lunatic. You guys are the fucking lunatics, if someone breaks into your home 99,9% chance is he's just there to rob you, you don't shoot robbers you fucking freaks. 1st of all, robbers are acting against society and attacking you personally, both mentally (you'll be paranoid about people breaking into your home forever) and financially. It's really not a shame to rid society of people who care so little of others that they would do something like this. 2nd, with your 99.9% statistic, that means that after a few hundred or so people break into your home, you would expect that at least one is going to fall into the .01% of people who intend to harm you. Would you be willing to give your own life right now in exchange for the lives of 300 potentially "just robbers"? I know I wouldn't. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:24 ramen247 wrote: a theif knows what he is doing is wrong and will act differently from someone that accidentally entered a home. Great. How do you define "differently"? How do you know that they act differently? Are you, or have you been a thief before? Alternatively, do you work for law-reinforcement that gives you such experience and knowledge? EDIT: a few months ago, a professor from Harvard University was arrested for appearing suspicious at his own home. I cannot imagine what would happen if he accidentally barked at the wrong door. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
On September 01 2009 16:24 benjammin wrote: wait a minute, i didn't order any pizza... KABLAMMMM I know it's a joke, but there's actually a real lot of scams that go on like this, esp with the older folks. Pizza/water guy/pse&g or whatever comes to the front door, distracts them while a crew goes in through the back and takes whatever. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
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shidonu
United States50 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:20 illu wrote: You may think it's ridiculous, but robbers do not break into your home to kill you - with very few exceptions (probably less likely than being killed by lightning). They break into your home because they want money, and the gun is just to scare you. On the other hand, if you bring a gun to defend yourself, the situation changes. The robber is human too - and thus will defend his life at all costs. When you point your gun at him, despite your so-called "just causes", you just made the robber to be more likely to open fire. If an armed robber breaks into your home, you honestly believe you are safer with no weapon? What is your course of action, gather the family and hide under a bed waiting for the police? Also, even if only .1% of robbers will kill you in order to take your things, are you saying it is better to just accept that this will happen in order to make robbing someones home a little less risky? | ||
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shidonu
United States50 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:28 illu wrote: Great. How do you define "differently"? How do you know that they act differently? Are you, or have you been a thief before? Alternatively, do you work for law-reinforcement that gives you such experience and knowledge? EDIT: a few months ago, a professor from Harvard University was arrested for appearing suspicious at his own home. I cannot imagine what would happen if he accidentally barked at the wrong door. The harvard professor was arrested for disorderly conduct after acting belligerently to an officer who was responding to a concerned call from a neighbor. Also, is it a common occurence for someone to "accidentally" enter a house that is not theirs? Seems a little far fetched to me. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:24 psion0011 wrote: Then you don't know your own country very well, because a man in texas shot an unarmed kid in the back of the head while he was kneeling in front of him, execution-style, and got away scot free. They broke in to steal some food That's correct, although I wouldn't use cases as for a basis, but rather the law and as I said in my state and several others(such as Florida) the Castle Doctrine applies, its law, look it up. I'm still baffled why people would be accidentally breaking into houses.....one of you please explain your reasoning. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:54 Alizee- wrote: That's correct, although I wouldn't use cases as for a basis, but rather the law and as I said in my state and several others(such as Florida) the Castle Doctrine applies, its law, look it up. I'm still baffled why people would be accidentally breaking into houses.....one of you please explain your reasoning. It's actually the other way around. Despite what the law says, using cases as precedence is very powerful, since the law is always up to interpretation, but precedence isn't. | ||
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Muff2n
United Kingdom250 Posts
If a guy takes your stuff, it is NOT ok to kill him. eg. robber driving off in your car. Plenty of people have said it well so I dont need to, but I will add: If someone poses no threat to you/your families well being, or any threat has passed, you have no right to kill them. Bit of a roughing up to defend your stuff is fine. Killing no. Even if someone does threaten you, killing them is the second worst case scenario. You dieing is the worst case. Anybody dieing is wrong if it could have been helped. | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
 I would obviously summon my lvl 100 Pikachu to defend me. I know what you're thinking... and yes I did stop his evolution to Raichu and rigged him with rare candy. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 01 2009 20:18 Licmyobelisk wrote: are you a policeman blackjack? no sarcasm intended. no, but i watch a lot of 'Wildest Police Chases Caught on Tape' on SpikeTV | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
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