EPTHome invasion & excessive force. - Page 2
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On another note, I will be willing to sacrifice jail time for my family. But of course providing warning to the perpetrator is important before shooting.. I don't believe in shoot first, ask questions later which is for those pussy ass dirty harry wannabees. Here the law states that the minimum force is to either shoot that person at the leg or arms. If you actually kill him in self defense there will still be jail time until proven innocent  That really really sucks big time. | ||
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Vex
Ireland454 Posts
On September 01 2009 19:51 General Nuke Em wrote: Please fill out the following questionnaire before you undertake criminal activities that will threaten my life or property so I will be able to respond with the appropriate level of force: 1. Do you intend on merely taking my property or my life? Property [ ] Life [ ] 2. If the answer to number 1 was "Life," please indicate which method of threatening or attempting to take my life you will use so I can respond with the minimum amount of force necessary: Bare hands [ ] Improvised weapon [ ] Knife [ ] Gun [ ] 3. If the answer to number 2 was "Bare hands," please indicate whether you have martial arts training so I will know whether or not resisting you without resorting to a firearm is possible: Yes [ ] No [ ] Thank you for your time! i'd kill you just for posting that. Typical. -.- | ||
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
if they are running away with my shit, they are getting a bullet in one knee if i see a range weapon, and they turn to face me, they are getting a bullet in the chest | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
To the OP: You are a pyschopath. Stop playing soo many violent video games. If someone comes into your house and threatens your or your family's safety, then yes you have the right to use force to defend yourself. If an intruder breaks into your house but poses no threat, you should NOT have the right to blow his head off. 1. You are in no danger 2. The punishment for breaking and entering is not death 3. You are not an officer of the law and therefore you should not take the law into your own hands 4. This is how innocent people get killed To the story about the girlfriend getting killed in the car: I think the guy should have been charged with manslaughter. Shooting at the car when they were running away is complete bullshit. He wasnt trying to defend himself, he was going for revenge, and as such, a poor girl died. To the story about the pharmacist: He had the right to shoot the guys who were holding up his store. He has the right to defend himself (guy is a fucking nutcase for not just handing the money over however). He does NOT have the right to execute someone. I think everyone here is failing to see that this is someone's life. There are only very few circumstances where any person should have the right to take another person's life. Finally, I agree with the law. It makes perfect sense. You have the right to defend yourself with as much force as needed to appropriately deal with the threat. Someone entering your house however doesnt grant you a license to kill. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
as the poster above said, chill the fuck out and stop showing off your e-penis. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Moreover i always wear a bullet proof jacket and i feel safe. It is a bit difficult to play bw with this kind of heavy "clothes" but it is really helpfull if you want to survive. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On September 01 2009 20:29 Fen wrote: Oh yay, another one of these threads where a stereotypical american (sorry to everyone from the states who hates the way the rest of the world sees you) defends his right to be a complete lunatic. To the OP: You are a pyschopath. Stop playing soo many violent video games. If someone comes into your house and threatens your or your family's safety, then yes you have the right to use force to defend yourself. If an intruder breaks into your house but poses no threat, you should NOT have the right to blow his head off. 1. You are in no danger 2. The punishment for breaking and entering is not death 3. You are not an officer of the law and therefore you should not take the law into your own hands 4. This is how innocent people get killed To the story about the girlfriend getting killed in the car: I think the guy should have been charged with manslaughter. Shooting at the car when they were running away is complete bullshit. He wasnt trying to defend himself, he was going for revenge, and as such, a poor girl died. To the story about the pharmacist: He had the right to shoot the guys who were holding up his store. He has the right to defend himself (guy is a fucking nutcase for not just handing the money over however). He does NOT have the right to execute someone. I think everyone here is failing to see that this is someone's life. There are only very few circumstances where any person should have the right to take another person's life. Finally, I agree with the law. It makes perfect sense. You have the right to defend yourself with as much force as needed to appropriately deal with the threat. Someone entering your house however doesnt grant you a license to kill. It's easy to take the moral high ground, but what would you do if someone breaks into your house? Are you willing to take the chance that he is there just to steal your TV, or your wife's jewelry, or if he's some lunatic that might murder your whole family? If you ask me, you shoot first and ask questions later. | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
On September 01 2009 21:20 craz3d wrote: It's easy to take the moral high ground, but what would you do if someone breaks into your house? Are you willing to take the chance that he is there just to steal your TV, or your wife's jewelry, or if he's some lunatic that might murder your whole family? If you ask me, you shoot first and ask questions later. Honestly, unless your family is part of the mafia, what are the chances that someone is going to break into your house and murder your family? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32159 Posts
On September 01 2009 21:24 Fen wrote: Honestly, unless your family is part of the mafia, what are the chances that someone is going to break into your house and murder your family? read the news dude | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On September 01 2009 21:24 Fen wrote: Honestly, unless your family is part of the mafia, what are the chances that someone is going to break into your house and murder your family? I agree that the chances are pretty small. But there are lunatics out there (even though once again they are a very small percentage). But also, how else are people supposed to learn to respect other people's property? Most people wouldn't go around breaking into houses, but the few that would need to be deterred by the potential consequences: death or intense pain in the form of holes in your kneecaps. | ||
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shidonu
United States50 Posts
On September 01 2009 20:29 Fen wrote: Oh yay, another one of these threads where a stereotypical american (sorry to everyone from the states who hates the way the rest of the world sees you) defends his right to be a complete lunatic. To the OP: You are a pyschopath. Stop playing soo many violent video games. If someone comes into your house and threatens your or your family's safety, then yes you have the right to use force to defend yourself. If an intruder breaks into your house but poses no threat, you should NOT have the right to blow his head off. 1. You are in no danger 2. The punishment for breaking and entering is not death 3. You are not an officer of the law and therefore you should not take the law into your own hands 4. This is how innocent people get killed To the story about the girlfriend getting killed in the car: I think the guy should have been charged with manslaughter. Shooting at the car when they were running away is complete bullshit. He wasnt trying to defend himself, he was going for revenge, and as such, a poor girl died. To the story about the pharmacist: He had the right to shoot the guys who were holding up his store. He has the right to defend himself (guy is a fucking nutcase for not just handing the money over however). He does NOT have the right to execute someone. I think everyone here is failing to see that this is someone's life. There are only very few circumstances where any person should have the right to take another person's life. Finally, I agree with the law. It makes perfect sense. You have the right to defend yourself with as much force as needed to appropriately deal with the threat. Someone entering your house however doesnt grant you a license to kill. Explain to me a situation where an intruder breaks into your house but "poses no threat". | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On September 01 2009 19:58 BlackJack wrote: btw, generally the self-defense rule for a guy with a gun against a guy with a knife is that if the guy with a knife is 21 feet or closer (~7m) then you can shoot them That has no application pertaining to home invasions. In fact, its pretty much confined purely to concealed carry permit holders. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
I believe that even had we KILLED the intruder, we still would've gotten a slap on our backs. This man had also broken into several houses previously, including seniors with Alzheimer's and my Pastor neighbor's house. There was no doubt in my mind that had he gotten away, the robberies would've continued. To you people who have no experience in this issue, it is EXTREMELY easy to say, "Let them go", as I probably would've been one of these people before somebody actually broke into my house. Also, keep in mind that this man was UNARMED. Robbers without arms are dangerous enough, let alone somebody who has the nerve to walk into your house with a gun. Shoot first, questions later. Or else you could sorely regret it. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
so basically don't go around capturing your home invaders and torturing them or anything. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
I think it's bogus; in the end, it's the gun law that causes this problem. If no ordinary citizens can own guns, we won't need stupid laws like this. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:04 illu wrote: What if someone's door was unlocked, and for whatever reason only god knows, I entered purely by accident? Do I get shot? I think it's bogus; in the end, it's the gun law that causes this problem. If no ordinary citizens can own guns, we won't need stupid laws like this. you probably dont look like a thief. | ||
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