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On July 31 2009 10:39 radar14 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 09:40 tonight wrote:On July 31 2009 08:46 radar14 wrote:On July 31 2009 08:38 Xeris wrote:On July 31 2009 08:29 radar14 wrote:On July 31 2009 08:10 Xeris wrote:On July 31 2009 07:59 radar14 wrote:On July 31 2009 07:22 Xeris wrote:
Fucking ESPN makes me so angry lately... so much insider only.
Bucher, Thrope, Ford, Sheridan, and Hollinger are now ALL Insider only... yay I get to read Adande (hate him), Broussard (retard), and Mark Stein (ok he's alright)...
Seriously this is so dumb.. ESPN just reduced the content available to non-Insider users by over 50%. Insider is only about $3 per year (or is it month?), how much profit could they possibly be making from this move... fuck I wanna read all these articles but can't. And I don't want to get Insider just because of the principle of it, I don't wanna give in to ESPN's bid to drive up profits, I"m sure they make enough money as it is. Yeah ok, it won't profit them at all but you can't pay for it. You can subscribe to the magazine AND get free insider for a year for $26. Please spare us the martyr act about your "principles." This isn't Fight Club. You're just cheap. Why would I pay $26 for bullshit? A) I don't want / never would read the magazine, and B) all the content that's insider only used to be free... so I'd now be paying $26 for something I used to be able to get for free. Does that make sense? Why would any moron want to do that? I'm a college student, $26 isn't necessarily a lot of money, but I'm not into throwing money away uselessly. Ok, I'll bite. Where is the rule that states that everything that started free must stay free? This is America dude. Are you really that naive about how the world works? It seems to me from the tone of your post that getting access to these articles that you very much want to read would be easily worth $26 a year in absolute sense. And yes, I understand a college student's budget and a tendency for some people to become unreasonably frugal. I never paid for Insider while I was in undergrad for the same reason. I do now and I enjoy it without a second thought. Life's too short to complain about stuff like that, seriously. Obviously I understand how these things work and I know there's no rule that says ESPN can't do it. But there's also no rule that says I can't complain about it. I'd rather complain and not read the articles. Ok then. I'll enjoy Hollinger's articles enough for the both of us. if you have an account and aren't sharing the articles I'm going to suplex you off of a 200story building that freefalls into a pit of used needles filled with aids. you sound charming, really you do, but no thanks. You, my friend, are a dick
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On July 31 2009 08:50 Jibba wrote:
Just have your parents pay for it after your 2nd M3.
LOL - no, it all goes to shaquanda now!
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On July 31 2009 11:07 tonight wrote:
You, my friend, are a dick
I can live with that. And you're a freeloading entitled cheap ass.
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lol this topic makes my heart warm
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I just wrote something about Toronto's offseason so far on my cousin and I's blog:
+ Show Spoiler +
Of all the teams this offseason, Toronto has been one of the most active, seemingly making trades or signing players on a weekly basis. Before examining or analysing anything they have done so far this offseason, let’s begin by tracking their offseason movements:
- added Atoine Wright
- added Jarret Jack
- added Hedo Turkoglu
- added Reggie Evans
- drafted DeMar DeRozan
- re-signed Andrea Bargnani
- lost Jason Kapono
- lost Anthony Parker
- lost Shawn Marion
- lost Jamario Moon
So you can see that the team has undergone quite a few changes this offseason. In retrospect, with the team they have now assembled, the move to swap Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono seems to make less sense, as one would assume Toronto could have used a sharp shooter like Kapono on the team with this new identity.
Hollinger discussed this briefly today in his NBA Chat, and I would agree, that it seems like Toronto is really going for a big gamble by fashioning a team that is going to completely emphasis offense and trying to outscore teams rather than beeating them.
Turkoglu is a deadly offensive player because he has an ability to be able to create for himself and can also thrive as a spot up shooter, and he’ll be able to play both roles ably because of the presence of Jose Calderon who is a great point guard (something Orlando lacked last year, which forced Turkoglu to basically play point-forward ever since Jameer Nelson got injured). Then they have Calderon who is also an accurate shooter (hitting almost 50% from the field and 40% from 3 point range last season). Bargnani is another interesting piece for them because he is a center with 3 point range. Although Chris Bosh doesn’t have 3 point range, he has a strong midrange jumper and has a good post game. Add a young DeMar Derozan and Jarret Jack who are slashers and you have a team loaded with offensive firepower.
With this lineup, Toronto can play several styles of offense. They can play a more traditional half-court offense big playing high-low with Calderon and Bosh, they can abuse the pick and roll with Bosh and Turkoglu/Calderon, they can play the pick and pop with Bosh or Bargnani, or they can put the ball in the hands of Turkoglu and have him create, or allow Jack/DeRozan to penetrate and kick. This is a team that can seemingly put up 120 ppg with the right coaching and execution.
What they lack however is rebounding toughness and a strong defensive presence. Bargnani is a bad rebounder (How many 7 footers have averaged less than 6 rebounders per game? Try to find a few…) and the team lacks height (Turkoglu is the 3rd tallest player on the team behind Bargnani and Bosh). Chris Bosh is really their only rebounder and toughest defender. Reggie Evans also can provide a defensive spark, but his role is limited and could potentially clog Toronto’s offensive machine, so I predict his playing time will be limited. Turkoglu is also notoriously a poor defender.
I believe that Toronto has made most of the moves it is going to make this offseason, and has basically said “we’re going to run a Phoenix style offensive game and hope we can out-score all our opponents”. I don’t forsee them addressing their defensive weaknesses or rebounding this season. As a result I believe that this Toronto team is a complete mystery. If they are clicking and running on all cylinders, it could be an incredibly fun and dangerous team… but if the chemistry isn’t there, I can see them easily missing the playoffs yet again.
Much will also depend on the development of DeMar DeRozan and the ability of Turkoglu to maintain his effectiveness (as he gets older). Can they do it? Will Toronto reach it’s potential? I for one am interested to see how these questions and how their season plays out.
**Note: I didn’t include a discussion of their offseason in terms of finances… in terms of personnel decisions, I’d rate their offseason as a success because of the ability for them to be a potential 50 win team; thei financial moves however were an utter failure, overpaying Bargnani by approximately 20 million, and giving Jarret Jack a bad/lengthy contract.
(click the spoiler) or... read it read it here
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On July 31 2009 11:33 radar14 wrote:I can live with that. And you're a freeloading entitled cheap ass.
See, now I'm just just picking a fight to pick a fight. I wasn't saying anything to you that I wasn't joking about, but you're getting all prissy about it. I think me, along with everyone else, would just like it if you could just let us know about the articles we can't read, but apparently you're one of those guys that thinks he's better then the rest of us because you pay for something you shouldn't have to.
Take care, friend.
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On July 31 2009 12:49 Xeris wrote:I just wrote something about Toronto's offseason so far on my cousin and I's blog: + Show Spoiler +
Of all the teams this offseason, Toronto has been one of the most active, seemingly making trades or signing players on a weekly basis. Before examining or analysing anything they have done so far this offseason, let’s begin by tracking their offseason movements:
- added Atoine Wright
- added Jarret Jack
- added Hedo Turkoglu
- added Reggie Evans
- drafted DeMar DeRozan
- re-signed Andrea Bargnani
- lost Jason Kapono
- lost Anthony Parker
- lost Shawn Marion
- lost Jamario Moon
So you can see that the team has undergone quite a few changes this offseason. In retrospect, with the team they have now assembled, the move to swap Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono seems to make less sense, as one would assume Toronto could have used a sharp shooter like Kapono on the team with this new identity.
Hollinger discussed this briefly today in his NBA Chat, and I would agree, that it seems like Toronto is really going for a big gamble by fashioning a team that is going to completely emphasis offense and trying to outscore teams rather than beeating them.
Turkoglu is a deadly offensive player because he has an ability to be able to create for himself and can also thrive as a spot up shooter, and he’ll be able to play both roles ably because of the presence of Jose Calderon who is a great point guard (something Orlando lacked last year, which forced Turkoglu to basically play point-forward ever since Jameer Nelson got injured). Then they have Calderon who is also an accurate shooter (hitting almost 50% from the field and 40% from 3 point range last season). Bargnani is another interesting piece for them because he is a center with 3 point range. Although Chris Bosh doesn’t have 3 point range, he has a strong midrange jumper and has a good post game. Add a young DeMar Derozan and Jarret Jack who are slashers and you have a team loaded with offensive firepower.
With this lineup, Toronto can play several styles of offense. They can play a more traditional half-court offense big playing high-low with Calderon and Bosh, they can abuse the pick and roll with Bosh and Turkoglu/Calderon, they can play the pick and pop with Bosh or Bargnani, or they can put the ball in the hands of Turkoglu and have him create, or allow Jack/DeRozan to penetrate and kick. This is a team that can seemingly put up 120 ppg with the right coaching and execution.
What they lack however is rebounding toughness and a strong defensive presence. Bargnani is a bad rebounder (How many 7 footers have averaged less than 6 rebounders per game? Try to find a few…) and the team lacks height (Turkoglu is the 3rd tallest player on the team behind Bargnani and Bosh). Chris Bosh is really their only rebounder and toughest defender. Reggie Evans also can provide a defensive spark, but his role is limited and could potentially clog Toronto’s offensive machine, so I predict his playing time will be limited. Turkoglu is also notoriously a poor defender.
I believe that Toronto has made most of the moves it is going to make this offseason, and has basically said “we’re going to run a Phoenix style offensive game and hope we can out-score all our opponents”. I don’t forsee them addressing their defensive weaknesses or rebounding this season. As a result I believe that this Toronto team is a complete mystery. If they are clicking and running on all cylinders, it could be an incredibly fun and dangerous team… but if the chemistry isn’t there, I can see them easily missing the playoffs yet again.
Much will also depend on the development of DeMar DeRozan and the ability of Turkoglu to maintain his effectiveness (as he gets older). Can they do it? Will Toronto reach it’s potential? I for one am interested to see how these questions and how their season plays out.
**Note: I didn’t include a discussion of their offseason in terms of finances… in terms of personnel decisions, I’d rate their offseason as a success because of the ability for them to be a potential 50 win team; thei financial moves however were an utter failure, overpaying Bargnani by approximately 20 million, and giving Jarret Jack a bad/lengthy contract.
(click the spoiler) or... read it read it here
The only thing Toronto needs now is Mike D'Antoni, to be more like the Sun's v. 2.0. Should be fun to watch, but major questionmarks remain in the playoffs.
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On July 31 2009 12:49 Xeris wrote:I just wrote something about Toronto's offseason so far on my cousin and I's blog: + Show Spoiler +
Of all the teams this offseason, Toronto has been one of the most active, seemingly making trades or signing players on a weekly basis. Before examining or analysing anything they have done so far this offseason, let’s begin by tracking their offseason movements:
- added Atoine Wright
- added Jarret Jack
- added Hedo Turkoglu
- added Reggie Evans
- drafted DeMar DeRozan
- re-signed Andrea Bargnani
- lost Jason Kapono
- lost Anthony Parker
- lost Shawn Marion
- lost Jamario Moon
So you can see that the team has undergone quite a few changes this offseason. In retrospect, with the team they have now assembled, the move to swap Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono seems to make less sense, as one would assume Toronto could have used a sharp shooter like Kapono on the team with this new identity.
Hollinger discussed this briefly today in his NBA Chat, and I would agree, that it seems like Toronto is really going for a big gamble by fashioning a team that is going to completely emphasis offense and trying to outscore teams rather than beeating them.
Turkoglu is a deadly offensive player because he has an ability to be able to create for himself and can also thrive as a spot up shooter, and he’ll be able to play both roles ably because of the presence of Jose Calderon who is a great point guard (something Orlando lacked last year, which forced Turkoglu to basically play point-forward ever since Jameer Nelson got injured). Then they have Calderon who is also an accurate shooter (hitting almost 50% from the field and 40% from 3 point range last season). Bargnani is another interesting piece for them because he is a center with 3 point range. Although Chris Bosh doesn’t have 3 point range, he has a strong midrange jumper and has a good post game. Add a young DeMar Derozan and Jarret Jack who are slashers and you have a team loaded with offensive firepower.
With this lineup, Toronto can play several styles of offense. They can play a more traditional half-court offense big playing high-low with Calderon and Bosh, they can abuse the pick and roll with Bosh and Turkoglu/Calderon, they can play the pick and pop with Bosh or Bargnani, or they can put the ball in the hands of Turkoglu and have him create, or allow Jack/DeRozan to penetrate and kick. This is a team that can seemingly put up 120 ppg with the right coaching and execution.
What they lack however is rebounding toughness and a strong defensive presence. Bargnani is a bad rebounder (How many 7 footers have averaged less than 6 rebounders per game? Try to find a few…) and the team lacks height (Turkoglu is the 3rd tallest player on the team behind Bargnani and Bosh). Chris Bosh is really their only rebounder and toughest defender. Reggie Evans also can provide a defensive spark, but his role is limited and could potentially clog Toronto’s offensive machine, so I predict his playing time will be limited. Turkoglu is also notoriously a poor defender.
I believe that Toronto has made most of the moves it is going to make this offseason, and has basically said “we’re going to run a Phoenix style offensive game and hope we can out-score all our opponents”. I don’t forsee them addressing their defensive weaknesses or rebounding this season. As a result I believe that this Toronto team is a complete mystery. If they are clicking and running on all cylinders, it could be an incredibly fun and dangerous team… but if the chemistry isn’t there, I can see them easily missing the playoffs yet again.
Much will also depend on the development of DeMar DeRozan and the ability of Turkoglu to maintain his effectiveness (as he gets older). Can they do it? Will Toronto reach it’s potential? I for one am interested to see how these questions and how their season plays out.
**Note: I didn’t include a discussion of their offseason in terms of finances… in terms of personnel decisions, I’d rate their offseason as a success because of the ability for them to be a potential 50 win team; thei financial moves however were an utter failure, overpaying Bargnani by approximately 20 million, and giving Jarret Jack a bad/lengthy contract.
(click the spoiler) or... read it read it here
A couple of things. Toronto added Rasho Nesterovic (again) and Bryan Colangelo just went on a highway robbery and stole Marco Belinelli for Devean George. And Toronto didn't lose Jamario Moon this offseason, they lost him in the Marion trade mid way through last season.
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Russian Federation41 Posts
Odom signed by LAL. At least.
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On July 31 2009 23:04 Elegance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 12:49 Xeris wrote:I just wrote something about Toronto's offseason so far on my cousin and I's blog: + Show Spoiler +
Of all the teams this offseason, Toronto has been one of the most active, seemingly making trades or signing players on a weekly basis. Before examining or analysing anything they have done so far this offseason, let’s begin by tracking their offseason movements:
- added Atoine Wright
- added Jarret Jack
- added Hedo Turkoglu
- added Reggie Evans
- drafted DeMar DeRozan
- re-signed Andrea Bargnani
- lost Jason Kapono
- lost Anthony Parker
- lost Shawn Marion
- lost Jamario Moon
So you can see that the team has undergone quite a few changes this offseason. In retrospect, with the team they have now assembled, the move to swap Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono seems to make less sense, as one would assume Toronto could have used a sharp shooter like Kapono on the team with this new identity.
Hollinger discussed this briefly today in his NBA Chat, and I would agree, that it seems like Toronto is really going for a big gamble by fashioning a team that is going to completely emphasis offense and trying to outscore teams rather than beeating them.
Turkoglu is a deadly offensive player because he has an ability to be able to create for himself and can also thrive as a spot up shooter, and he’ll be able to play both roles ably because of the presence of Jose Calderon who is a great point guard (something Orlando lacked last year, which forced Turkoglu to basically play point-forward ever since Jameer Nelson got injured). Then they have Calderon who is also an accurate shooter (hitting almost 50% from the field and 40% from 3 point range last season). Bargnani is another interesting piece for them because he is a center with 3 point range. Although Chris Bosh doesn’t have 3 point range, he has a strong midrange jumper and has a good post game. Add a young DeMar Derozan and Jarret Jack who are slashers and you have a team loaded with offensive firepower.
With this lineup, Toronto can play several styles of offense. They can play a more traditional half-court offense big playing high-low with Calderon and Bosh, they can abuse the pick and roll with Bosh and Turkoglu/Calderon, they can play the pick and pop with Bosh or Bargnani, or they can put the ball in the hands of Turkoglu and have him create, or allow Jack/DeRozan to penetrate and kick. This is a team that can seemingly put up 120 ppg with the right coaching and execution.
What they lack however is rebounding toughness and a strong defensive presence. Bargnani is a bad rebounder (How many 7 footers have averaged less than 6 rebounders per game? Try to find a few…) and the team lacks height (Turkoglu is the 3rd tallest player on the team behind Bargnani and Bosh). Chris Bosh is really their only rebounder and toughest defender. Reggie Evans also can provide a defensive spark, but his role is limited and could potentially clog Toronto’s offensive machine, so I predict his playing time will be limited. Turkoglu is also notoriously a poor defender.
I believe that Toronto has made most of the moves it is going to make this offseason, and has basically said “we’re going to run a Phoenix style offensive game and hope we can out-score all our opponents”. I don’t forsee them addressing their defensive weaknesses or rebounding this season. As a result I believe that this Toronto team is a complete mystery. If they are clicking and running on all cylinders, it could be an incredibly fun and dangerous team… but if the chemistry isn’t there, I can see them easily missing the playoffs yet again.
Much will also depend on the development of DeMar DeRozan and the ability of Turkoglu to maintain his effectiveness (as he gets older). Can they do it? Will Toronto reach it’s potential? I for one am interested to see how these questions and how their season plays out.
**Note: I didn’t include a discussion of their offseason in terms of finances… in terms of personnel decisions, I’d rate their offseason as a success because of the ability for them to be a potential 50 win team; thei financial moves however were an utter failure, overpaying Bargnani by approximately 20 million, and giving Jarret Jack a bad/lengthy contract.
(click the spoiler) or... read it read it here A couple of things. Toronto added Rasho Nesterovic (again) and Bryan Colangelo just went on a highway robbery and stole Marco Belinelli for Devean George. And Toronto didn't lose Jamario Moon this offseason, they lost him in the Marion trade mid way through last season.
Oh right about Jamario and I forgot about Nesterovic and Belinelli, hadn't been added on their team roster @ ESPN yet as of yesterday =P
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Hm, ESPN's insider content seems to mostly constitute their most worthless content, like unsubstantiated rumours, and random view points (like takes on trades etc) that you can get many places for free (like this forum). Hollinger is probably the only insider thing you can get from espn which is worthwhile and you can't get free elsewhile, but how much it is worth is limited too. That's why people balk at paying for it, it's just standard sports coverage to look at when you are extra bored in the offseason.
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True, which is why it's fucking annoying that 5 of their 8 NBA beat writers area now insider.
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oh boo... the lakers released Sun Yue! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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is sun gonna play for another team?
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he's a free agent.. my guess is nobody's gonna pick him up though
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On August 01 2009 09:28 Xeris wrote:
he's a free agent.. my guess is nobody's gonna pick him up though
lol i wanna see yi yao and sun play together
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On August 01 2009 10:09 BalliSLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 09:28 Xeris wrote:
he's a free agent.. my guess is nobody's gonna pick him up though lol i wanna see yi yao and sun play together
They can ride the pine together
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On August 01 2009 08:47 Xeris wrote:
oh boo... the lakers released Sun Yue! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Guess having mono sucks for your basketball career.
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On August 01 2009 10:09 BalliSLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 09:28 Xeris wrote:
he's a free agent.. my guess is nobody's gonna pick him up though lol i wanna see yi yao and sun play together
There's a good chance neither of them will ever play in the NBA again. Sadly.
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So Lamar gets 3 years at 25, and a 2 million buyout for the 4th year, and 33 total. So basically if the lakers think he's done for the last year, he gets a $27 million 3 year deal (but don't have to pay the $2 million until the end), otherwise they choose to pay him $8 million for year 4. So lamar loses money if he's worth less than $6 million in 3 years, gains money if he's worth between $6 to $8 million, and loses money in the odd case he's worth more than $8 million.
This is a pretty dumb deal for him, if he's going to account for the laker's creative accounting he should be expecting more in return for what's likely to be a 3 year $27 million deal. If he's going to accept that, if I were Jerry Buss I would offer him a 5 year $50 million deal, first 3 years worth 20 million, and a 2 million buyout for the 4th and 5th years, last 2 worth 30 million.
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EPT
