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HonestTea
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On July 14 2009 13:24 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2009 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
the sheed pickup by boston is so huge because of the attitude change. older vet players often play way above their abilities in the years after they switch to a new team/situation, especially when they have something to prove (assuming they haven't just inked some huge contract and just get fat and lazy). just look at shaq on the heat, moss to the patriots, etc. good team culture and player attitude matters so much in the nba. many players can be elite if they simply tried and worked hard for as little as a single year, and all signs point to sheed doing just that. its a lose-lose situation for the team that gets rid of the player, because if they keep him, there's no way he'll play that well, but if they let him go, he's likely to suddenly become motivated and kick ass for someone else. They might play rejuvenated or more motivated, but I wouldn't say above his abilities. Randy Moss was 29 when he came to the patriots, and he wasn't running faster or jumping higher than when he was young. Shaq was still a highly dominant force. A better example might be Bill Walton or PJ Brown.
The point is, Sheed playing to the level of his abilities is a top 5 PF in the league
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United States22883 Posts
On July 14 2009 14:19 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2009 13:24 igotmyown wrote:On July 14 2009 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
the sheed pickup by boston is so huge because of the attitude change. older vet players often play way above their abilities in the years after they switch to a new team/situation, especially when they have something to prove (assuming they haven't just inked some huge contract and just get fat and lazy). just look at shaq on the heat, moss to the patriots, etc. good team culture and player attitude matters so much in the nba. many players can be elite if they simply tried and worked hard for as little as a single year, and all signs point to sheed doing just that. its a lose-lose situation for the team that gets rid of the player, because if they keep him, there's no way he'll play that well, but if they let him go, he's likely to suddenly become motivated and kick ass for someone else. They might play rejuvenated or more motivated, but I wouldn't say above his abilities. Randy Moss was 29 when he came to the patriots, and he wasn't running faster or jumping higher than when he was young. Shaq was still a highly dominant force. A better example might be Bill Walton or PJ Brown. The point is, Sheed playing to the level of his abilities is a top 5 PF in the league
In the past 5 years, what % of the time has he played to the level of his abilities? Not just drifting outside and knocking down 3s, but actually playing the PF position.
We'll wait and see if it's a good move for the C's or not.
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The Celtics have now another guy who can spread the floor and larger bench players, yet I'm sad they cut Powe, for he was a better rebounder but a worse shooter than Davis.
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Sheed has a lot of skill/talent but rarely plays up to his potential =P
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United States4471 Posts
Boston picking up Sheed was, in my opinion, the most impressive (and potentially dangerous, as far as the other teams are concerned) move so far this offseason. Keep in mind that Boston already has the Big 3 and Rondo, they don't need another dominant player. Sheed is stepping into a situation where he won't be expected to carry his team at any point, and where the pressure and expectations on him are lower than they've been at any time during his career.
Even if Sheed only players to 60-70% of what he's fully capable, he'll still be giving you more than 90% of the bigs in the league, and that's all the Celtics need from him. He has more talent in his pinkie finger than the players he's replacing (Davis, Scalabrine and Powe) have in their entire bodies. All he has to do is play defense and knock down open shots, anything on top of that will just be gravy (and some of the best gravy out there). Boston doesn't need a huge roster upgrade, getting KG is enough by itself to make them instant contenders, and adding Sheed is more than enough.
Just look at the lineup Boston could start: Rondo, Ray, Pierce, KG and Sheed. That's arguably the best starting 5 in the league by a fair margin, with Allstar-level talent capable of playing good-to-great on both offense and defense at every position. This is a coup on the part of Boston, and I think anyone who sleeps on this pickup is going to be very surprised this season, particularly in the postseason when games slow down and savvy veterans shine.
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Barring those savvy veterans don't get injured.
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Indeed, the best five-man line-up in the league. Perkins will do the Celtics well coming off the bench.
Assuming players on both teams stay healthy, the Celtics with Rasheed versus the Lakers with Artest should be an awesome championship series.
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On July 14 2009 21:22 Aca wrote:
Indeed, the best five-man line-up in the league. Perkins will do the Celtics well coming off the bench.
Assuming players on both teams stay healthy, the Celtics with Rasheed versus the Lakers with Artest should be an awesome championship series.
So who wants to take bets on where the fight occurs?
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Sheed makes Bos very strong, but the most impressive pickup of the summer for me has to be RJ to SA.
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RJ to San Antonio is another ridiculous steal for the summer so far ^_^
Boston probably won't, or at least should not start Sheed. Perkins has done really well starting for them and he's a much bigger presence in the paint.
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I hate to say it, but Spurs are looking strong again. They got McDyess now too, which is just a beastly pickup to back up duncan.
Sigh, I hate watching spurs basketball.
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On July 14 2009 22:12 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2009 21:22 Aca wrote:
Indeed, the best five-man line-up in the league. Perkins will do the Celtics well coming off the bench.
Assuming players on both teams stay healthy, the Celtics with Rasheed versus the Lakers with Artest should be an awesome championship series. So who wants to take bets on where the fight occurs?
hahaha, nice one.
I think it'll happen in LA. The tables will be turned though - Jack Nicholson will throw a beer of Rasheed and the rest is history 
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On July 14 2009 17:02 Aca wrote:
The Celtics have now another guy who can spread the floor and larger bench players, yet I'm sad they cut Powe, for he was a better rebounder but a worse shooter than Davis.
Wow, why and when did they do this? Powe was so solid last year, his injuries really hindered him 
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HonestTea
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RJ to SA?
Really?
RJ is on the wrong side of 30, and he's not that great. There was a month or so when he was top 5 scorer in the league, but that's all. His Jersey numbers came with the Kidd Effect.
No doubt RJ makes the Spurs stronger and addresses a need, but it pales in comparison to Cavs+Shaq, Celtics+Sheed, Magic+Vince, and LAL+Artest.
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On July 15 2009 02:40 HonestTea wrote:
RJ is on the wrong side of 30.
He actually turned 29 in June.
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On July 14 2009 14:56 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2009 14:19 HonestTea wrote:On July 14 2009 13:24 igotmyown wrote:On July 14 2009 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
the sheed pickup by boston is so huge because of the attitude change. older vet players often play way above their abilities in the years after they switch to a new team/situation, especially when they have something to prove (assuming they haven't just inked some huge contract and just get fat and lazy). just look at shaq on the heat, moss to the patriots, etc. good team culture and player attitude matters so much in the nba. many players can be elite if they simply tried and worked hard for as little as a single year, and all signs point to sheed doing just that. its a lose-lose situation for the team that gets rid of the player, because if they keep him, there's no way he'll play that well, but if they let him go, he's likely to suddenly become motivated and kick ass for someone else. They might play rejuvenated or more motivated, but I wouldn't say above his abilities. Randy Moss was 29 when he came to the patriots, and he wasn't running faster or jumping higher than when he was young. Shaq was still a highly dominant force. A better example might be Bill Walton or PJ Brown. The point is, Sheed playing to the level of his abilities is a top 5 PF in the league In the past 5 years, what % of the time has he played to the level of his abilities? Not just drifting outside and knocking down 3s, but actually playing the PF position. We'll wait and see if it's a good move for the C's or not.
% of the time in the last 3 seasons would be about 5, and that is the playoffs. Maybe 1 in the regular season.
I think SA was lucky to get McDyess instead. Him and TD rebounding at the same time is going to be sick. He is going to be very solid.
I wonder if Boston wants Sheed to shut down Howard (lol). I think you said earlier in this thread that it was actually McDyess and Maxiell who did a better job on him.
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Boston doesn't need Sheed to shut Howard down. Perkins did it just fine, and so does KG.
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On July 15 2009 04:01 Ace wrote:
Boston doesn't need Sheed to shut Howard down. Perkins did it just fine, and so does KG.
Right. I think he does give them a better option to cover R Lewis though. Plus more depth and a big man who can shoot.
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I think this is the year the Clippers are gonna make a name for themselves. They have a lot of scrappy players that can pull of some big plays. I doubt they'll win anything but they're gonna pull off a lot of things most people wouldn't expect from them.
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The PF the Clippers drafted looked awesome in the summer league so far. And they are in talks with Iverson apparently? Wonder how that would work in the back court...
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