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[Guide] An Introduction to Competitive SSBM - Page 4

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Infil
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada3 Posts
June 18 2009 20:47 GMT
#61
I don't mention dash-dance in the Marth synopsis? Reading comprehension much?

Marth: Excellent wavedash which helps him position. The best forward-smash in the game, which hits extremely hard, has insane range, and cannot be counter-hit. The best dash-dance which, when combined with wavedash, sets up guessing games strongly in his favor.

Not sure why Shikyo is being so negative. Aside from the DI section, there's no misinformation in the guide and serves as a good start to people who've never seen a single competitive Melee match. You can only talk about so much in an intro guide.
Beardfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States525 Posts
June 18 2009 21:30 GMT
#62
As much as I love playing ssbm and brawl somewhat competitively with my friends, I'd never see myself taking it beyond that. I can't wait for the next-gen smash game to actually have a GOOD online system so that I can really get into it.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2009 22:11 GMT
#63
On June 19 2009 05:42 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
People would bash a D+ player making a guide as well... even if it's an introduction it should be done properly. Sigh, whatevers.


lol if they really cared they'd just go to smashboards.

cuz ssbm can totally be explained in detail in one guide, right? ckit's fox guide was like ten times longer than this one and it covered one character... and that was with the limited knowledge they had years ago.

edit: i wonder how many of the replies here are by people that actually don't play ssbm
edit again:

Show nested quote +
It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".


i prefer azen's "fsmash and dont jump into the rape"

ckit's guide had a LOT of completely useless information about all the moves and stupid common sense uses for some moves and so on. It had very little actually useful information, and even that was quite basic. There's no good documentary on ssbm anywhere, whatsoever. :/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
June 18 2009 22:18 GMT
#64
On June 19 2009 07:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 05:42 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On June 19 2009 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
People would bash a D+ player making a guide as well... even if it's an introduction it should be done properly. Sigh, whatevers.


lol if they really cared they'd just go to smashboards.

cuz ssbm can totally be explained in detail in one guide, right? ckit's fox guide was like ten times longer than this one and it covered one character... and that was with the limited knowledge they had years ago.

edit: i wonder how many of the replies here are by people that actually don't play ssbm
edit again:

It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".


i prefer azen's "fsmash and dont jump into the rape"

ckit's guide had a LOT of completely useless information about all the moves and stupid common sense uses for some moves and so on. It had very little actually useful information, and even that was quite basic. There's no good documentary on ssbm anywhere, whatsoever. :/


well yeah, it was also written in like 2004 lol
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 22:24:00
June 18 2009 22:23 GMT
#65
aside from the DI section, there's no misinformation in the guide

Nothing wrong in the major sense (apart from DI), but I'm sure if I wanted I could dispute a lot of the details.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 18 2009 22:28 GMT
#66
i dont know anything about the competitive SSBx scene but do people still throw majority of tournaments with SSBM, SSBB, or both? i know that SSBM is way better but i was just curious.

also does ken still play at all? hes the only smash player i kno and last i saw him was at evo08
Forever Young
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2009 23:38 GMT
#67
On June 19 2009 07:18 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 07:11 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 05:42 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On June 19 2009 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
People would bash a D+ player making a guide as well... even if it's an introduction it should be done properly. Sigh, whatevers.


lol if they really cared they'd just go to smashboards.

cuz ssbm can totally be explained in detail in one guide, right? ckit's fox guide was like ten times longer than this one and it covered one character... and that was with the limited knowledge they had years ago.

edit: i wonder how many of the replies here are by people that actually don't play ssbm
edit again:

It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".


i prefer azen's "fsmash and dont jump into the rape"

ckit's guide had a LOT of completely useless information about all the moves and stupid common sense uses for some moves and so on. It had very little actually useful information, and even that was quite basic. There's no good documentary on ssbm anywhere, whatsoever. :/


well yeah, it was also written in like 2004 lol

Talking about the update that actually had all the match-ups in it, which was updated in around 2006 IIRC.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
June 19 2009 00:40 GMT
#68
I still like the original N64 Smash the most out of all 3 haha. I remember the first time I saw Ness blinking like a madman and going WTF HOW DO U DO THAT?!
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