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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 00:39:31
June 18 2009 00:25 GMT
#41
Smashboards nickname?

You focused so much on Wavedash. I'd like to say that dash-dance is the most useful advanced technique in the game right after l-cancel. And it definitely is one of Marth's greatest strenghts, which you for some reason ignored.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
June 18 2009 01:04 GMT
#42
He does mention Marth's solid wavedash in his short synopsis of the character.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
June 18 2009 01:13 GMT
#43
On June 18 2009 07:25 crate wrote:
If you shieldgrab well you can beat ~80% of all the people who play smash.

Sorry for double post. Is this true? Like I honestly don't know, because I'd assume there'd be many scrubs, but I'd also assume that they'd all play Brawl. I know that when I went to tournaments (Melee-only since that's all I frequent), my opponents all had years of tournament experience... and thus proper spacing and/or shield pressure. Sure with good timing you can shield grab a pillar, but you definitely can't shield grab aerials spaced properly by, say, Marth or Jiggs. Unless, of course, you can out-space them, in which case we're delving into skills besides shield grabbing XD.

In the end, I suppose Brawl counts as smash, so you're probably right.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
June 18 2009 02:17 GMT
#44
On June 18 2009 10:13 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 07:25 crate wrote:
If you shieldgrab well you can beat ~80% of all the people who play smash.

Sorry for double post. Is this true? Like I honestly don't know, because I'd assume there'd be many scrubs, but I'd also assume that they'd all play Brawl. I know that when I went to tournaments (Melee-only since that's all I frequent), my opponents all had years of tournament experience... and thus proper spacing and/or shield pressure. Sure with good timing you can shield grab a pillar, but you definitely can't shield grab aerials spaced properly by, say, Marth or Jiggs. Unless, of course, you can out-space them, in which case we're delving into skills besides shield grabbing XD.

In the end, I suppose Brawl counts as smash, so you're probably right.


Most players that aren't into competitive Smash will get rolled if you know at the very least how to shield grab. This is probably less true these days since the statement was originally in reference to the Melee era where most people didn't know anything about the competitive community, advanced techniques, etc. It's sort of like saying that knowing and executing a BO well can get you to D+ on iccup.

Since then a lot of scrubs exposed to competitive Brawl and all probably know how to shield-grab now, so this statistic probably isn't any good now. Plus, shield-grabbing in Brawl is actually a pretty bad option for some characters... >_>
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
June 18 2009 02:47 GMT
#45
On June 18 2009 08:58 Racenilatr wrote:
I use yoshi I can't believe hes at the bottom tier although thats understandable


Yeah. I use Shiek(1a2a3a ^^) and Yoshi, That headbutt's just deadly. I'm too casual to care anyway :D
nortorius
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 04:06:47
June 18 2009 04:05 GMT
#46
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
June 18 2009 04:34 GMT
#47
On June 18 2009 08:58 Racenilatr wrote:
I use yoshi I can't believe hes at the bottom tier although thats understandable


who cares, you can be the next fumi
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Tbird
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada42 Posts
June 18 2009 05:20 GMT
#48
On June 18 2009 04:57 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 01:53 decafchicken wrote:
how different is melee from 64? I played ALOT of ssb64 at college this year and got pretty good but never really got the chance to play melee. is it a lot more of a competetive game or what?
Once you become technically proficient, Smash 64 is a game about who can rape the other person for a single mistake first, because of features like longer hit/shield stun, etc. Comebacks are generally much harder because of the existence of several zero-to-death combos and better edgeguarding options for all characters. Characters are generally more balanced in 64 - there's no matchup that's absurdly unfavorable for one character like in Melee (Sheik vs. Bowser?).


This is a pretty good synopsis. 64 is a game where one mistake will often end up in you dying because there's so many combos that are 0 to death. Long recovery on moves like spikes make getting killed at low percentages near the edge very easy. The block stun is also very long (the time it takes before you can input commands after blocking an attack), leading to characters like Ness that can break your shield if you block one of their moves. In particular, with instant l-canceling, Ness' double jump cancel is deadly in the right hands because you can throw out another aerial move before the other player's block stun is over --> shield break. It's a fun game, but can also be frustrating because you're either destroying the other guy with a 0 to death, or having the same thing happen to you.

Here's the famous Isai ssb64 combo video, called "DON'T GET HIT" for a reason . At around 4:05 you can see a shield break combo by Ness.
+ Show Spoiler +

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Tbird
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada42 Posts
June 18 2009 06:07 GMT
#49
Also, to the people looking for more pictures, etc. hopefully I can improve on this aspect in the future!

Let's try to keep the videos of good matches going! There's been some great videos posted already in this thread. Here's some more:

Isai (Falcon) vs. Ken (Marth)
+ Show Spoiler +


Ken (Marth) vs BombSoldier (Falco)
+ Show Spoiler +


Ken & Isai vs Chu Dat & Manacloud
+ Show Spoiler +
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Infil
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada3 Posts
June 18 2009 06:55 GMT
#50
In general, I think the DI section is the most poorly written section in the guide. We compiled this all in about one day, and so there's bound to be a few poorly written parts. After the contest is over we'll go back and clean it up. I was never the best DIer.

Yeah, in the four sentences I use to talk about why Marth is good, I mention his good wavedash and his good dash-dance. There's only so much you can say about why these are good in one paragraph, though. Remember, this guide is targeted largely at people who are used to high-level gaming in some other domain and want to know what Smash is about. I'm sure we both know less about Smash than even some people in this thread who are correcting us, so this guide is not meant to be overly informative to those people.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
June 18 2009 07:40 GMT
#51
good guide


I was going to do one for classic n64 but laziness strikes
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 13:40:47
June 18 2009 13:33 GMT
#52
On June 18 2009 10:04 EchOne wrote:
He does mention Marth's solid wavedash in his short synopsis of the character.

Yep, and? It doesn't mention dashdance.

On June 18 2009 14:20 Tbird wrote:
Here's the famous Isai ssb64 combo video, called "DON'T GET HIT" for a reason . At around 4:05 you can see a shield break combo by Ness.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa00Gj48IDQ&feature=related



It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".

Well, this guide is super basic :/ I doubt anyone but the very noobs would benefit from this. Most people who read guides like this just start randomly wavedashing and trying to look cool and forget to play the game.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
June 18 2009 17:48 GMT
#53
On June 18 2009 22:33 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 10:04 EchOne wrote:
He does mention Marth's solid wavedash in his short synopsis of the character.

Yep, and? It doesn't mention dashdance.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 14:20 Tbird wrote:
Here's the famous Isai ssb64 combo video, called "DON'T GET HIT" for a reason . At around 4:05 you can see a shield break combo by Ness.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa00Gj48IDQ&feature=related



It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".

Well, this guide is super basic :/ I doubt anyone but the very noobs would benefit from this. Most people who read guides like this just start randomly wavedashing and trying to look cool and forget to play the game.


Wow, someone's critical

Notice the title is "An INTRODUCTION to Competitive SSBM"

who do you think the target audience is? >.>

Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2009 18:29 GMT
#54
People would bash a D+ player making a guide as well... even if it's an introduction it should be done properly. Sigh, whatevers.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
June 18 2009 18:59 GMT
#55
Hey, can somebody link me to a list of current pros/top ranked players?

I don't mean xbox online ones, I mean well known tourney champs, second places and the like.

Would any of them happen to be playing for "Blight Gaming"?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2009 19:08 GMT
#56
1. Mango
2. Mew2King


3. DaShizWiz ?

Something like that. Mango is pretty scary.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 18 2009 19:11 GMT
#57
On June 18 2009 15:07 Tbird wrote:
Also, to the people looking for more pictures, etc. hopefully I can improve on this aspect in the future!

Let's try to keep the videos of good matches going! There's been some great videos posted already in this thread. Here's some more:

Isai (Falcon) vs. Ken (Marth)
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMO0bo1HnY


Ken (Marth) vs BombSoldier (Falco)
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-kPc0EL9sU&feature=related


Ken & Isai vs Chu Dat & Manacloud
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O13AuRVSIc&feature=channel


rofl at the 2v2 match
1:18 a total uncalled for knee.... dam sucks to be fox

melee's pretty fun to watch and play thou
Forever Young
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2009 19:17 GMT
#58
Meh, outdated =) These are better ^_^


+ Show Spoiler [Mango vs Mew2King] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ntNt6e2nK0


League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
June 18 2009 20:19 GMT
#59
Hot damn. I didn't realize Mango got that good, but I should've guessed it.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 20:45:28
June 18 2009 20:42 GMT
#60
On June 19 2009 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
People would bash a D+ player making a guide as well... even if it's an introduction it should be done properly. Sigh, whatevers.


lol if they really cared they'd just go to smashboards.

cuz ssbm can totally be explained in detail in one guide, right? ckit's fox guide was like ten times longer than this one and it covered one character... and that was with the limited knowledge they had years ago.

edit: i wonder how many of the replies here are by people that actually don't play ssbm
edit again:

It's called that because someone asked Isai for advice in smash, and he said "Just don't get hit".


i prefer azen's "fsmash and dont jump into the rape"
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