EPTAnd no these games aren't even close to being balanced. Have u seen what they did to mario since melee? he has some useless butter gun and they nerfed him for no reason. I guess they figured talented gamers who don't own the game will play Mario and beat their friends, so they must change that. Guess what? it worked, I never bought a smash since 64.
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VarsityUser
United States84 Posts
And no these games aren't even close to being balanced. Have u seen what they did to mario since melee? he has some useless butter gun and they nerfed him for no reason. I guess they figured talented gamers who don't own the game will play Mario and beat their friends, so they must change that. Guess what? it worked, I never bought a smash since 64. | ||
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On June 07 2009 22:14 VarsityUser wrote: I used to watch SSBM pros on youtube. really great stuff, but gets repetitive after a while. Theres a lot of hand eye skill, and they tend to use the same 1/3rd characters oft the game. Anyone looking to learn just youtube SSBM azen i think. also PC.chris or something is great. And no these games aren't even close to being balanced. Have u seen what they did to mario since melee? he has some useless butter gun and they nerfed him for no reason. I guess they figured talented gamers who don't own the game will play Mario and beat their friends, so they must change that. Guess what? it worked, I never bought a smash since 64. Strange that you chose to mention Azen primarily... he has a really weird style that very few people can emulate, and he was the best player for a relatively short period of time | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On learning Melee... it's crucial in Melee to have friends that you can play against often (and are somewhat decent), and later it's crucial to go to tournaments. Once you choose a character, you can go to smashboards' individual Melee character forums and look for guides and threads that will detail what you should do with him (hopefully involving combos). Two of the most combo heavy characters are Cpt. Falcon and Falco. The most crucial skill to focus on in the beginning is dodging your opponents' approaches and punishing them for them. Different characters' options vary in their effectiveness for this, but dash-dance is the most common and is really applicable to some extent or another for every character. You can read about it on smashboards, or you can ask someone to explain it here. The reason for this is because it takes a lot more experience to learn how to safely approach than it does to learn how to safely camp. Watch pro vids. There are new tournaments coming out with vids all the time, and smashboards has its own forum for new vids. If you want to watch them to learn, I think you know what to do. Analyze them like you would an SC replay: with the intent to know the players' intents for every move. At a more shallow level of analysis, you can also pick up little tricks that they do. Watch combo vids. Youtube rocks. If ever you go "holy shit what just happened?" make sure you find out what just happened. On L cancelling... it can help combos obviously by reducing your landing lag, and you usually want to fast-fall into it to further minimize lag. Get into the habit of doing something as soon as your L cancel ends. Dashing is a good habit, as it helps you chase and thus chain combos. It also helps for the defensive role of L cancel... that is, making your aerials difficult to punish. There's a lot more to mention, but I don't want to be a bore, so that's it. Find some friends, get on smashboards, and watch some vids. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
I beat the lvl 9 comp now without losing a stock and before I would lose like 2-3 (5 stock from start) hehe My movement really got better and somehow I've learned how to block attacks just by watching pro vods O_O | ||
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On June 07 2009 23:20 Zoler wrote: Actually I've already got a bit better just by watching some pro vods in here ^^ I beat the lvl 9 comp now without losing a stock and before I would lose like 2-3 (5 stock from start) hehe My movement really got better and somehow I've learned how to block attacks just by watching pro vods O_O Stop fighting level 9s. That's a really bad thing to do if you want to get better. You're playing 64, right? Learn how to short hop consistently and how to z cancel all your aerials consistently. Practice in training mode at first, then vs a level 1. Short hopping is just pressing the jump button as usual but releasing it really quickly. It's like a quick tap of the jump button. Your jump will be significantly shorter. Those are the first two things to learn. Once you learn those, you can learn combos. After the basic technical skill though it all comes down to playing other people who are decent/good. You can do this by playing online. visit the 64 forum on smashboards if you're interested: http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11 If you want to watch videos for 64, watch Isai's vids: http://www.youtube.com/mevsec he's freakishly good at 64. Very few people even come close. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 07 2009 17:02 Gustav_Wind wrote: The engine of 64 is clearly much slower than that of melee (due mostly to the fact that characters fall slower in 64). The combos are just longer because of insane hitstun and lack of DI. In certain matchups stocks go by as fast or faster in 64 than in melee. Lol what kind of credentials are you looking for? And what debate are you talking about? you better have a PhD in Super Smash Brothers to post itt  Did anyone end up installing Brawl+ ? I wanna play with some people  | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On June 08 2009 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: you better have a PhD in Super Smash Brothers to post itt Did anyone end up installing Brawl+ ? I wanna play with some people whats ur friend code And Melee is also about who you play..You improve so much just from playing decent people. Watching videos helps, especially if its all you have but you grow the most from playing others. But seriously I wouldnt bother playing melee, at this point in time, unless you can find other skilled people to play, or atleast have a buncha friends who really wanna get good at it. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 08 2009 03:25 Gustav_Wind wrote: Stop fighting level 9s. That's a really bad thing to do if you want to get better. You're playing 64, right? Learn how to short hop consistently and how to z cancel all your aerials consistently. Practice in training mode at first, then vs a level 1. Short hopping is just pressing the jump button as usual but releasing it really quickly. It's like a quick tap of the jump button. Your jump will be significantly shorter. Those are the first two things to learn. Once you learn those, you can learn combos. After the basic technical skill though it all comes down to playing other people who are decent/good. You can do this by playing online. visit the 64 forum on smashboards if you're interested: http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11 If you want to watch videos for 64, watch Isai's vids: http://www.youtube.com/mevsec he's freakishly good at 64. Very few people even come close. I know short hop and cancelling pretty decent ^^ I just need to play but I dont know vs who | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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ThatGuy
Canada695 Posts
VarsityUser, Mario is much much better than the scene gives him credit for. He's just highly underrepresented. He's also took a dive in tiers due to the fact that there is only 1 Mario player in the Smash Back Room (the commitee who votes on the tiers/tournament ruleset/etc.) and he's pretty much dropped Mario for Luigi. Of course no one's going to vote for him if there are no Mario players out there to watch. That being said, you think the game is imbalanced because Mario is bad? That's not a balance issue, that's you being a fanboy | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
there's also some lower risk/ high reward characters as well.. There are many great combos, gimps, but at the same time there can be massive camping or patience for waiting for that one moment where you can get in to hit your opponent to reap huge rewards. If you want to learn some tricks that you probably did not know before, you should check out http://www.youtube.com/sMoke2jointz It has some crummy online matches but also it has some instructional vids on a lot of stuff. | ||
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On June 08 2009 06:29 Zoler wrote: I know short hop and cancelling pretty decent ^^ I just need to play but I dont know vs who Have you tried setting up online play? Get Project64k or Mupen and you can play vs other people on Kaillera post on Smashboards maybe if you want help with that or if you want to find people to play | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Incredibly difficult | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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traced
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
though it was revolutionary in its time | ||
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