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Russian Federation3632 Posts
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
camels setups on the other hand are nicely balanced, i think their strongest setup is a bit weaker then the strongest chinese, but since the strongest will get banned anyway it won't matter and in the spirit of AXII: "thats something you never want to hear from your FC: the damnation is primary" p.s. On March 07 2015 03:54 Jaaaaasper wrote: Yeah when I find time to go solo roaming, I frequently get kills on people with much more sp than me. SP matters, but so does knowledge, of both ship types and how to engage. more sp stop mattering at some point when you fly frig vs frig solo pvp but below 10m sp they definitly matter as much as piloting (only always surpassed by what to engage and what not to engage (the biggest mistake i ever did was engaging a huginn + malediction.. the pain..)) | ||
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hiromi
36 Posts
On March 07 2015 03:54 Jaaaaasper wrote: Yeah when I find time to go solo roaming, I frequently get kills on people with much more sp than me. SP matters, but so does knowledge, of both ship types and how to engage. As a new(er) pvper, the attitude I adopt is "unless you piloted perfectly, don't blame sp." | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On March 11 2015 15:46 hiromi wrote: As a new(er) pvper, the attitude I adopt is "unless you piloted perfectly, don't blame sp." The point is perfect piloting changes based upon skills. You may not be able to get to optimal agility or speed based upon skills, and as a result the attempts to adjust result in a quick death a good bit of the time. + sub-optimal fits just make me sad (lack of T2 guns and whatnot) | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On March 12 2015 07:27 KillerSOS wrote: The point is perfect piloting changes based upon skills. You may not be able to get to optimal agility or speed based upon skills, and as a result the attempts to adjust result in a quick death a good bit of the time. + sub-optimal fits just make me sad (lack of T2 guns and whatnot) every fit that is not fully deadspace/faction/officer(where appropriate), is by some metric suboptimal  one of my corpmates flew this... https://zkillboard.com/kill/43049272/ chose your "optimal" metrics wisely | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On March 12 2015 16:13 puerk wrote: every fit that is not fully deadspace/faction/officer(where appropriate), is by some metric suboptimal one of my corpmates flew this... https://zkillboard.com/kill/43049272/ chose your "optimal" metrics wisely He got suicide ganked in Jita... I fail to see the comparison. | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
the comparison was just to illustrate, that there are no "optimal" fits, and just one upping someone else doesn't guarantee success... | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On March 12 2015 16:13 puerk wrote: every fit that is not fully deadspace/faction/officer(where appropriate), is by some metric suboptimal one of my corpmates flew this... https://zkillboard.com/kill/43049272/ chose your "optimal" metrics wisely Optimal factors in cost effectiveness. If you put 5b mods on a t1 frig, then thats suboptimal. They dont give you a large enough edge over t1/t2 mods to justify the cost and they are significantly more expensive than the ante (your hull price). Even t2 mods are often too expensive on t1 frigs to justify them over cheaper meta stuff, with the exception of weapons, which is because of the unique skill and ammo interaction. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
I've played EVE briefly before and was stunned by the scope of the game. Ultimately though, I didn't know anyone in game and didn't take the initiative to find a group of players to play with. I think that really limited my ultimate enjoyment of the game and didn't continue. I've played a lot of MMO's in the past, from EQ, EQOA, WoW, CoH, GW and more. None of those games are like EVE though, and I'd like to give it another shot. There seems to be a fair bit of activity in this thread and I was wondering if other players on TL would be willing to help a newer player get acquainted with the game past mission running or mining. I'd like to get into pvp especially but am interested in all things a corp might do outside of high sec. I'm familiar with the basics of this game but I'd love to learn the ins and outs from some experienced pilots. The note at the top seems to suggest there is not a TL guild to join but if there are some folks who'd like to help me break into this game is appreciate it. I'm currently on a trial account but planning to subscribe as well. | ||
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5c0rp10n
Germany342 Posts
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On March 13 2015 06:24 Warri wrote: Optimal factors in cost effectiveness. If you put 5b mods on a t1 frig, then thats suboptimal. They dont give you a large enough edge over t1/t2 mods to justify the cost and they are significantly more expensive than the ante (your hull price). Even t2 mods are often too expensive on t1 frigs to justify them over cheaper meta stuff, with the exception of weapons, which is because of the unique skill and ammo interaction. in several real world scenarios the actual edge of t2 guns is not that great, because the t2 ammo doesnt have the best tracking, so for instance faction laser crystals have a wider range of use and more flexibility yeah aurora hits further out but at 75% of your optimal you don't hit shit, with true sansha radio you have the same dmg at optimal (which is a bit shorter) but the tracking stays high enough to hit from about 20% optimal outward for full damage of course they have their place and the 10% dmg bonus of full t2 gun skills are relevant, just not as much that you have to "cringe when someone uses a sub-optimal fit (no t2 guns)", as it was previously stated.... @ Pantagruel definitly check out all of chessurs videos (he posts here regularly) https://www.youtube.com/user/ChessurSB/videos they are a great teaching source for pvp, of course they can not cover all pairings for what ship can engage what, but you see a glimpse into the mind of someone knowing what is possible in pvp and what not... | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
For instance, here's my rail Atron fit: https://zkillboard.com/kill/45095376/ A lot of the time fits trade off certain things in order to be slightly better at something else. Unless you are a good pilot and know how to take advantage of those few percentage points of difference properly, you're best off staying with economical fits only, but once you can take advantage of it, you can accomplish a lot more. When I first started flying rail atrons, my fits were a bit different than that one. I used meta rails, because they were a lot easier to fit, however, they ended up doing less damage. When I switched to T2 guns, I ended up losing a bit of speed and agility, which was a tradeoff I was willing to make. That doesn't mean that I think meta rails are a suboptimal choice, it's more that I'd rather have a few percentage points of dps than a few percentage points of speed and agility in this case. Both can be good. There are ways that you could lose a few percentage points of performance without gaining anything in another aspect of ship performance. For instance, on my Atron, I need a little extra powergrid. To get that, I can either use a rig and an ACR, or I can use a Micro Aux Powercore in the low. If I use a rig slot for powergrid, then I'm left with a lowslot that I can use on a nanofiber. If I use a lowslot for powergrid, I can put a polycarb rig on it. If you look at the overall benefits of a nano or a polycarb, a nano is better. Granted, this is a huge simplification of the situation, but it should give you an idea of why a fit can be suboptimal, because there is no benefit elsewhere to offset the worse performance. These aren't exactly bad, per-se, but they aren't that good either, because there is no point in doing something suboptimal on purpose. You can end up saving a good chunk of isk at times by cutting a small bit of performance as well. On my fit, I could use a meta 4 TD, but I opt for the meta 3 because the difference between the two is very minor, but there is a fair chunk of isk saved. Personally, I'm not worried about losing one, two, ten, or even a hundred of these frigates, because they come in at under 10m isk each, and I'm not exactly spoor in eve, so I'm not worried about trying to make them dirt cheap, but there are other ways where you could knock the price down a good chunk while only taking out a bit of performance. I wouldn't say that these kinds of changes are bad even if they are suboptimal, because they are serving a different purpose. But if you tried to fit a rail Atron to kite at long range and did it while using 125mm rails and a MSE as tank, I'd berate you for not understanding what you are doing. 125's dont apply damage well enough at range to allow you to kill anything, and the MSE is not going to really help you survive in almost any situation, so fitting your ship this way is not going to help you get any kills..... It's bad. The simple fact is, when you're flying at the ranges you want to fly at, the MSE is almost completely useless. You mitigate damage through range and speed, to the point that very little actually poses a threat to you. Your main threat is being scrammed or webbed, because once you are scrammed and webbed, the tracking on rails (125's or 150's) is so pitiful that you're not going to hit anything that's got you pinned down..... A MSE is not going to save you here, nor is a TD. Your best defense is to not get caught in the first place (speed and agility), but since the two fits have essentially identical speed and agility, neither have an advantage in this regard. The next best thing is to just kill your target faster. Since 150's do more damage and apply it better at longer range, it is a superior way of fitting a rail Atron. I have yet to see a single good reason why I would use 125's in a long range kiting Atron fit. | ||
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Rengas
United States169 Posts
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Anyone have some suggestions for where to go to play? I'm not a huge fan of blob play. Small scale PvP with some decent places to make ISK would be groovy. I'd also be cool with some wormhole play (although the best ship I can fly thus far is a VNI) | ||
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Russian Federation3632 Posts
On March 17 2015 03:34 Rengas wrote: Isn't this guy some elite doter/reddit shitposter? he is capslock legend I remember teaming up with him to kill a nighthawk. being both bads, we accidentally dropped point on him despite both having pre-nerf t2 skirmish links. it was pretty shameful | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
On March 17 2015 04:01 KillerSOS wrote: THERA So after spending a few weeks in a BRAVE corp (don't make fun of me) I've begun to realize I'm not going to learn anything else from them. Anyone have some suggestions for where to go to play? I'm not a huge fan of blob play. THERA Small scale PvP THERA with some decent places to make ISK NOT THERA I'd also be cool with some wormhole play THERA (although the best ship I can fly thus far is a VNI) THERACapslocks aside, if you actually do come to Thera you must know the difference between PvP out of Thera and PvP in Thera. One is having half of lowsec & nullsec as your playground at any given time and the other is Jita station games. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
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Russian Federation3632 Posts
with some decent places to make ISK you could just salvage SKYNETBOIS victims xaxaxa | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On March 17 2015 10:20 Not_Computer wrote: THERA THERA THERA NOT THERA THERA THERA Capslocks aside, if you actually do come to Thera you must know the difference between PvP out of Thera and PvP in Thera. One is having half of lowsec & nullsec as your playground at any given time and the other is Jita station games. I don't know much of anything about Thera, but I got a plex for a buddy invite so isk isn't really a concern for awhile. After a brief reading of what's up with Thera I think it sounds pretty interesting, and something that I might enjoy. Are you guys running a Thera focused corp? If so let me know (either PM me here or in game with the same SN) | ||
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Wild Things
United States42 Posts
On March 17 2015 03:34 Rengas wrote: Isn't this guy some elite doter/reddit shitposter? c a p s b o y | ||
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