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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 18 2013 23:35 GMT
#33321
On September 19 2013 04:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 19:12 419 wrote:
try lisitsa's version of it, though the fast tempo (relative to other renditions I've heard, like Kempff's) mostly shows up when she plays the third movement

movements 1&2



movement 3



and yeah, the geddon is the guy who 'robbed' FA


I was talking about the first movement, which is the one you hear all the time as people don't seem to realize the second and third exist. Imagine the first movement played with the ferocity and wide dynamic range of the third movement - that's pretty much what I was talking about.

Also:

BBQ is a worldly man of superlative taste and refinement. Firebolt is a low-bred dirt-eating commoner.

Waaaaaaay too fast, ewwwww.

Also, this comment is hilarious:

ariesxflame 1 day ago
lovely! but please someone link me to the original pieces played by beethoven himself!
Reply · Vote UpVote Down
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SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
September 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#33322
On September 19 2013 08:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 04:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On September 18 2013 19:12 419 wrote:
try lisitsa's version of it, though the fast tempo (relative to other renditions I've heard, like Kempff's) mostly shows up when she plays the third movement

movements 1&2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHd8jwXBzXE

movement 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6s

and yeah, the geddon is the guy who 'robbed' FA


I was talking about the first movement, which is the one you hear all the time as people don't seem to realize the second and third exist. Imagine the first movement played with the ferocity and wide dynamic range of the third movement - that's pretty much what I was talking about.

Also:

BBQ is a worldly man of superlative taste and refinement. Firebolt is a low-bred dirt-eating commoner.

Waaaaaaay too fast, ewwwww.

Also, this comment is hilarious:

ariesxflame 1 day ago
lovely! but please someone link me to the original pieces played by beethoven himself!
Reply · Vote UpVote Down


Reminds me of the question "But how did they use their phones when they had no elecricity?"
And happy b-day.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
September 19 2013 01:45 GMT
#33323
On September 19 2013 08:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 04:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On September 18 2013 19:12 419 wrote:
try lisitsa's version of it, though the fast tempo (relative to other renditions I've heard, like Kempff's) mostly shows up when she plays the third movement

movements 1&2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHd8jwXBzXE

movement 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6s

and yeah, the geddon is the guy who 'robbed' FA


I was talking about the first movement, which is the one you hear all the time as people don't seem to realize the second and third exist. Imagine the first movement played with the ferocity and wide dynamic range of the third movement - that's pretty much what I was talking about.

Also:

BBQ is a worldly man of superlative taste and refinement. Firebolt is a low-bred dirt-eating commoner.


Waaaaaaay too fast, ewwwww. [1]

Also, this comment is hilarious:

ariesxflame 1 day ago
lovely! but please someone link me to the original pieces played by beethoven himself!
Reply · Vote UpVote Down [2]


[1] Wasn't talking about matching the tempo. The 3rd movement has a consistent, steady march whereas many people interpret the first movement with lulls and semi-pauses. This causes the simple, smooth melody to drag, and it just sounds like someone practicing a section of a piece they have little confidence in. The first movement sounds way better played in perfect, unchanging time (apart from transitions). This dude feels me youtube.com/watch?v=O6txOvK-mAk .

The first movement is so often interpreted with an extremely low dynamic range, even in places where the tonality suggests explosive changes should be happening. This is the fault of the composer because it literally says on the sheet music that the range is restricted from mp to mf. If this movement didn't exist and I wrote it and played it for a music class as so many professionals interpret it, I would be given a poor grade or at the very least negative commentary for missing such obvious dynamic transitions. To let someone get away with it because "omg it's Beethoven who the fuck are you" or for historical accuracy or whatever is being disrespectful of the existing profession to hold a dead guy up on a pedestal. When Beethoven remarked about this movement "Surely I've written better things," he was definitely on the mark.

[2] A lot of people have this weird cult-like fascination with historical accuracy. I can definitely appreciate it because awareness of all the context surrounding a piece certainly increases one's enjoyment of it. But there are people who literally think that all the amazing and brilliant but very different interpretations of e.g. Rachmaninov should disappear and only one "correct" one should ever be heard. Even in modern music, some of the best songs are not originals but covers whose interpretations are superior to the original.
Big Monkey
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom473 Posts
September 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#33324
On September 18 2013 21:02 KwarK wrote:
Deployment to XX9 in Curse. Troll SBUing Nulli in Scalding Pass (1j away), fighting TEST in GQ (4j away). Anyone any objections? Bringing some FA with me.


Will there be a JF from Soliaria, i seemed to have moved here before FW came along and blossomed again
I smell revival, dead bones coming alive again
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 06:18:53
September 19 2013 06:17 GMT
#33325
On September 19 2013 10:45 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 08:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 19 2013 04:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On September 18 2013 19:12 419 wrote:
try lisitsa's version of it, though the fast tempo (relative to other renditions I've heard, like Kempff's) mostly shows up when she plays the third movement

movements 1&2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHd8jwXBzXE

movement 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6s

and yeah, the geddon is the guy who 'robbed' FA


I was talking about the first movement, which is the one you hear all the time as people don't seem to realize the second and third exist. Imagine the first movement played with the ferocity and wide dynamic range of the third movement - that's pretty much what I was talking about.

Also:

BBQ is a worldly man of superlative taste and refinement. Firebolt is a low-bred dirt-eating commoner.


Waaaaaaay too fast, ewwwww. [1]

Also, this comment is hilarious:

ariesxflame 1 day ago
lovely! but please someone link me to the original pieces played by beethoven himself!
Reply · Vote UpVote Down [2]


[1] Wasn't talking about matching the tempo. The 3rd movement has a consistent, steady march whereas many people interpret the first movement with lulls and semi-pauses. This causes the simple, smooth melody to drag, and it just sounds like someone practicing a section of a piece they have little confidence in. The first movement sounds way better played in perfect, unchanging time (apart from transitions). This dude feels me youtube.com/watch?v=O6txOvK-mAk .

The first movement is so often interpreted with an extremely low dynamic range, even in places where the tonality suggests explosive changes should be happening. This is the fault of the composer because it literally says on the sheet music that the range is restricted from mp to mf. If this movement didn't exist and I wrote it and played it for a music class as so many professionals interpret it, I would be given a poor grade or at the very least negative commentary for missing such obvious dynamic transitions. To let someone get away with it because "omg it's Beethoven who the fuck are you" or for historical accuracy or whatever is being disrespectful of the existing profession to hold a dead guy up on a pedestal. When Beethoven remarked about this movement "Surely I've written better things," he was definitely on the mark.

[2] A lot of people have this weird cult-like fascination with historical accuracy. I can definitely appreciate it because awareness of all the context surrounding a piece certainly increases one's enjoyment of it. But there are people who literally think that all the amazing and brilliant but very different interpretations of e.g. Rachmaninov should disappear and only one "correct" one should ever be heard. Even in modern music, some of the best songs are not originals but covers whose interpretations are superior to the original.

[1] I'm pretty sure this is a subjective matter. I personally love rubato, as long as it is within reason, of course. Yes a lot of people who overdo it when they play this piece, but eh, rightly done rubato is magical.

Dynamic range is once again a subjective matter. When I used to play it I definitely exaggerated the dynamic range to a certain degree, but I still respect what is written on the score. I don't feel anyone has the right to overly change the interpretation of a piece far beyond what is written on the score unless you are an accomplished concert performer, and even then you might anger the ~high class elitist music lovers~. Sure, for personal enjoyment and performance it's fine however.

[2] There are idiots in every field in the world. Horowitz had some of the most different yet fantastic interpretations of Rachmaninoff's concertos yet they are some of my favourite. So I completely agree with you here.

I'm not calling you an idiot or anything def just because you feel a particular movement should be interpreted differently. I just have a slightly different preference for that piece and think you're weird for your own preferences. :D

Actually, here's a critical question: what's your opinion on LangLang?
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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
September 19 2013 07:11 GMT
#33326
The whole point of music is for personal enjoyment. Those who forget that are doomed to argue about stupid things like Lang Lang. Know what I think of Lang Lang? I think 90% of everything is crap and that almost no one is above that rule. Some of it's good, some of it really isn't.

Rubato is great and very appropriate in lots of pieces, but it just doesn't make sense here. It makes the melody drag unnaturally. Imagine having never heard the piece before in your life and hearing one of those fiendish performers who do basically semi-pauses in the melody. You'd think they were struggling with fingering. You'd think maybe they're having a seizure of some kind. The melody completes itself in your mind. Your mind fills it in before you even know what's going on. Adding rubato is just trying to play with people's heads. It also doesn't fit with the rolling harmony. The harmony, being strung out as it is, sounds so perfect and clean when played straight through. It just doesn't make sense. If you give it a serious consideration, I'm sure you and 95% of people would agree with me.

This makes the Doril area substantially more annoying to find the good fights in.


This sentence made me laugh. Good show.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 19 2013 07:29 GMT
#33327
We couldn't be more off topic and this is an interesting conversation so let's take it to PMs when I'm back on a keyboard.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
September 19 2013 10:07 GMT
#33328
On September 19 2013 13:51 Big Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 21:02 KwarK wrote:
Deployment to XX9 in Curse. Troll SBUing Nulli in Scalding Pass (1j away), fighting TEST in GQ (4j away). Anyone any objections? Bringing some FA with me.


Will there be a JF from Soliaria, i seemed to have moved here before FW came along and blossomed again

Yes, although fuel costs will be charged.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3373 Posts
September 19 2013 10:38 GMT
#33329
On September 19 2013 19:07 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 13:51 Big Monkey wrote:
On September 18 2013 21:02 KwarK wrote:
Deployment to XX9 in Curse. Troll SBUing Nulli in Scalding Pass (1j away), fighting TEST in GQ (4j away). Anyone any objections? Bringing some FA with me.


Will there be a JF from Soliaria, i seemed to have moved here before FW came along and blossomed again

Yes, although fuel costs* will be charged.

*More than Black Frog
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
September 19 2013 10:49 GMT
#33330
Hey, when TEST tried to move stuff from Soli to curse a guy just stole it all. Anything above that is a bonus.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
September 19 2013 10:58 GMT
#33331
and uncollateralized n1
?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19268 Posts
September 19 2013 12:09 GMT
#33332
On September 19 2013 16:29 Firebolt145 wrote:
We couldn't be more off topic and this is an interesting conversation so let's take it to PMs when I'm back on a keyboard.

fuck you I was enjoying that conversation
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
September 19 2013 12:11 GMT
#33333
Did the engineering skill vanish? Pretty sure I had it to V, but while I can still find several skills that (used to, apparently) need it, it isn't there anymore and the skills that needed it don't show it in the prerequesites anymore.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
September 19 2013 12:24 GMT
#33334
i think it's called power grid management now, or something along those lines
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
September 19 2013 12:35 GMT
#33335
On September 19 2013 21:24 Skilledblob wrote:
i think it's called power grid management now, or something along those lines


Got it on V and don't remember training it, so that should be it.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
September 19 2013 16:40 GMT
#33336
For FlameFowl44's birthday, I took a van Gogh piece and modified it to suit his personal style and tastes.

http://i.imgur.com/wr9Zs9Q.jpg

Happy 1 year closer to hopefully swift and merciful death.
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
September 19 2013 17:05 GMT
#33337
On September 20 2013 01:40 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
For FlameFowl44's birthday, I took a van Gogh piece and modified it to suit his personal style and tastes.

http://i.imgur.com/wr9Zs9Q.jpg

Happy 1 year closer to hopefully swift and merciful death.


You know, for a second I actually DIDN'T think it was a penis with 2 balls, but a comet falling down on earth.
Or... onto another penis.
You shouldn't have 2 phallic objects in a picture like that >___>
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 19 2013 17:07 GMT
#33338
ROFL I spent ages staring at it and couldn't see what you had done with it until Silentchill pointed it out.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
September 19 2013 17:31 GMT
#33339
Oh I thought it was a comment on his musical taste and how he liked to smudge great works based off skimming the last few pages.
Nope.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#33340
I too had different expectations from that post.

Was not dissapointed however.
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