• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:02
CET 15:02
KST 23:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
12 Days of Starcraft US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1239 users

EVE Corporation - Page 1468

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1466 1467 1468 1469 1470 2021 Next
https://discord.gg/c8jHgQpMSY

mity hat tree discord if you care
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 07 2013 04:08 GMT
#29341
On March 06 2013 13:46 Omigawa wrote:
As a serious question from a bad player, what is wrong with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field II on the Cynabal?


A Cynabal has a few simple points that make up its strength as a ship. It is really fucking fast. It has better damage projection at range than similar ships. It has a utility high slot. It has a shitload of power grid.

If you're trying to build a tanky Cynabal, you have two basic options. You can use double LSE + invuln + triple extenders. Or you can use triple LSE + 2/1 extender/anti-EM. Both will have long points (remember, damage projection and speed - this is a ship whose strengths lie in kiting) and a high-slot neut.

Let's do a pro/con analysis:

Invuln
Pros
-Slightly more EHP (43k vs. 40k IIRC [it's been a while...] without links).
-A bit smaller signature.

Cons
-Laughably bad capacitor.
-Seriously, try MWDing for any amount of time with an Invuln on - it's a fucking joke. Honour point.
-You can forget using a neut in your high slot - by the time it comes to use it, you'll be capped out.
-Your tank is turned off by haphazard neuts - even small ones.
-Makes your dick fall off (move to Pros if you are a woman).

Triple LSE
Pros
-Better passive regen.
-Nearly cap-stable while MWDing.
-You can realistically rely on using your neut.
-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Cons
-Larger signature. But your signature is unimportant since you chose to go tanky instead of using dual-prop like you should 90% of the time.
-Can't get super-badass double overheated reps from your Chimera on station.

Basically it comes down to this. Your capacitor is your one weakness on this ship. All the other stats are inflated to make it OP. If you have MWD + point, there is no juggling. You can MWD permanently by cutting it off for ~1 second every few cycles. If you have MWD + point + Invuln, it's not only going to be a distraction, but you'll have to make decisions about the priority of staying alive vs. pointing the target. Whenever your cap runs out forcing you to exit a fight or die, there is another you in another universe happily trucking along with plenty of cap because they fit their ship better.

Are there situations where the tiny extra EHP will save you? Yes. But there will be 100x more situations where you would have died or left because you lost your cap. Total EHP or even DPS rep on a kiting ship is a fairly meaningless stat when it comes down to small differences.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
March 07 2013 08:17 GMT
#29342
I missed def's posts ~
Moderator
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
March 07 2013 08:45 GMT
#29343
On March 06 2013 16:00 Rengas wrote:
Due to a recent corp theft that has left AQUILA INC completely broke we have decided we have no choice but to host YET ANOTHER ETANA LOTTO!!!!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=212551&find=unread

Pry open those wallets and throw ISK at us! Everyone's a winner (just ask Kwark)!

Best of all this Lotto is 3rd party secured by Aeth Gemulus.

Happy spending! o7o7o7


That was fast
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
March 07 2013 11:04 GMT
#29344
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.
I got honor. - Johnny Business
Mysticus
Profile Joined April 2011
298 Posts
March 07 2013 14:39 GMT
#29345
How does one fit a shield rupture these days?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:09:01
March 07 2013 15:35 GMT
#29346
On March 07 2013 13:08 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 13:46 Omigawa wrote:
As a serious question from a bad player, what is wrong with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field II on the Cynabal?


A Cynabal has a few simple points that make up its strength as a ship. It is really fucking fast. It has better damage projection at range than similar ships. It has a utility high slot. It has a shitload of power grid.

If you're trying to build a tanky Cynabal, you have two basic options. You can use double LSE + invuln + triple extenders. Or you can use triple LSE + 2/1 extender/anti-EM. Both will have long points (remember, damage projection and speed - this is a ship whose strengths lie in kiting) and a high-slot neut.

Let's do a pro/con analysis:

Invuln
Pros
-Slightly more EHP (43k vs. 40k IIRC [it's been a while...] without links).
-A bit smaller signature.

Cons
-Laughably bad capacitor.
-Seriously, try MWDing for any amount of time with an Invuln on - it's a fucking joke. Honour point.
-You can forget using a neut in your high slot - by the time it comes to use it, you'll be capped out.
-Your tank is turned off by haphazard neuts - even small ones.
-Makes your dick fall off (move to Pros if you are a woman).

Triple LSE
Pros
-Better passive regen.
-Nearly cap-stable while MWDing.
-You can realistically rely on using your neut.
-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Cons
-Larger signature. But your signature is unimportant since you chose to go tanky instead of using dual-prop like you should 90% of the time.
-Can't get super-badass double overheated reps from your Chimera on station.

Basically it comes down to this. Your capacitor is your one weakness on this ship. All the other stats are inflated to make it OP. If you have MWD + point, there is no juggling. You can MWD permanently by cutting it off for ~1 second every few cycles. If you have MWD + point + Invuln, it's not only going to be a distraction, but you'll have to make decisions about the priority of staying alive vs. pointing the target. Whenever your cap runs out forcing you to exit a fight or die, there is another you in another universe happily trucking along with plenty of cap because they fit their ship better.

Are there situations where the tiny extra EHP will save you? Yes. But there will be 100x more situations where you would have died or left because you lost your cap. Total EHP or even DPS rep on a kiting ship is a fairly meaningless stat when it comes down to small differences.

[Cynabal, Have your cake and eat it too*]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
Cynosural Field Generator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hornet EC-300 x5

*Aeon not included with purchase

-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Very underrated, I do not understand why people chose to fit (pre-nerf) podla drake with the invuln/LSE variation, 5/6 possible heat sources just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
?
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 07 2013 16:34 GMT
#29347
m8

You use 5 Hornets instead of 5 Vespas? Good luck not dying to that Machariel as you spam approach on him.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
March 07 2013 18:06 GMT
#29348
good point:

I suggest making the hi-slots

Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I

so while in an INTENSE ESPORTS MICRO-APM-BATTLE it is a lot eaiser to activate the relevant modules
?
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 07 2013 20:50 GMT
#29349
On March 07 2013 20:04 Ueberlisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.


If you were a real man you would solo in an Etana and not some overpowered piece of shit that terribads like Garmon whelp to gatecamps.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 07 2013 21:18 GMT
#29350
Whelping is when an animal gives birth. Welping is losing a ship/fleet/whatever.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Mysticus
Profile Joined April 2011
298 Posts
March 07 2013 21:33 GMT
#29351
What if you whelp while welping. Or welp while whelping.
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 07 2013 22:12 GMT
#29352
Maybe I was implying that Garmon is into bestiality.
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
March 07 2013 23:49 GMT
#29353
On March 08 2013 03:06 419 wrote:


Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I


You called?
Serious Business
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 08 2013 00:24 GMT
#29354
On March 08 2013 08:49 Johnny Business wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:06 419 wrote:


Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I


You called?


Confirming Johnny Business is an Archon.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43352 Posts
March 08 2013 02:44 GMT
#29355
I streamed oracling in VFK today.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 03:15:12
March 08 2013 03:13 GMT
#29356
[image loading]

got this when i xed up to shoot the hub in turnur lol
telling it like it is
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19183 Posts
March 08 2013 04:11 GMT
#29357
who are you?
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
March 08 2013 04:25 GMT
#29358
On March 08 2013 13:11 tofucake wrote:
who are you?


Looks like a Shield Battery member who joined in February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 04:30:58
March 08 2013 04:30 GMT
#29359
On March 08 2013 05:50 Rengas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:04 Ueberlisk wrote:
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.


If you were a real man you would solo in an Etana and not some overpowered piece of shit that terribads like Garmon whelp to gatecamps.


5 hobgoblins, 1 turret. with some drone low's it might do like 100 dps. hmm.

and i assume the garmon ship is called talos?
I got honor. - Johnny Business
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 04:47:35
March 08 2013 04:32 GMT
#29360
On March 08 2013 13:11 tofucake wrote:
who are you?

depends on what you want to know
telling it like it is
Prev 1 1466 1467 1468 1469 1470 2021 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 163
LamboSC2 132
trigger 63
SKillous 51
MindelVK 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 62376
Rain 2846
Jaedong 1953
Shuttle 1691
hero 427
ggaemo 348
firebathero 339
Hyuk 271
Rush 257
Larva 176
[ Show more ]
Last 157
Sharp 110
Mong 49
Movie 45
JYJ 34
Terrorterran 28
ToSsGirL 26
Rock 21
Sexy 16
JulyZerg 11
SilentControl 8
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
qojqva2177
XcaliburYe897
BananaSlamJamma301
Fuzer 238
febbydoto51
League of Legends
C9.Mang0354
Counter-Strike
allub292
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor260
Other Games
Grubby6016
singsing2113
B2W.Neo1737
Hui .289
Lowko267
ArmadaUGS18
RushiSC5
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 59
• 3DClanTV 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2722
• Nemesis2181
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
5h 59m
Sziky vs eOnzErG
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 59m
Krystianer vs Classic
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs Ryung
ByuN vs Nicoract
OSC
1d 3h
BSL 21
1d 5h
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Wardi Open
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1 - W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1 - W2
Escore Tournament S1 - W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.