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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 07 2013 04:08 GMT
#29341
On March 06 2013 13:46 Omigawa wrote:
As a serious question from a bad player, what is wrong with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field II on the Cynabal?


A Cynabal has a few simple points that make up its strength as a ship. It is really fucking fast. It has better damage projection at range than similar ships. It has a utility high slot. It has a shitload of power grid.

If you're trying to build a tanky Cynabal, you have two basic options. You can use double LSE + invuln + triple extenders. Or you can use triple LSE + 2/1 extender/anti-EM. Both will have long points (remember, damage projection and speed - this is a ship whose strengths lie in kiting) and a high-slot neut.

Let's do a pro/con analysis:

Invuln
Pros
-Slightly more EHP (43k vs. 40k IIRC [it's been a while...] without links).
-A bit smaller signature.

Cons
-Laughably bad capacitor.
-Seriously, try MWDing for any amount of time with an Invuln on - it's a fucking joke. Honour point.
-You can forget using a neut in your high slot - by the time it comes to use it, you'll be capped out.
-Your tank is turned off by haphazard neuts - even small ones.
-Makes your dick fall off (move to Pros if you are a woman).

Triple LSE
Pros
-Better passive regen.
-Nearly cap-stable while MWDing.
-You can realistically rely on using your neut.
-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Cons
-Larger signature. But your signature is unimportant since you chose to go tanky instead of using dual-prop like you should 90% of the time.
-Can't get super-badass double overheated reps from your Chimera on station.

Basically it comes down to this. Your capacitor is your one weakness on this ship. All the other stats are inflated to make it OP. If you have MWD + point, there is no juggling. You can MWD permanently by cutting it off for ~1 second every few cycles. If you have MWD + point + Invuln, it's not only going to be a distraction, but you'll have to make decisions about the priority of staying alive vs. pointing the target. Whenever your cap runs out forcing you to exit a fight or die, there is another you in another universe happily trucking along with plenty of cap because they fit their ship better.

Are there situations where the tiny extra EHP will save you? Yes. But there will be 100x more situations where you would have died or left because you lost your cap. Total EHP or even DPS rep on a kiting ship is a fairly meaningless stat when it comes down to small differences.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
March 07 2013 08:17 GMT
#29342
I missed def's posts ~
Moderator
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
March 07 2013 08:45 GMT
#29343
On March 06 2013 16:00 Rengas wrote:
Due to a recent corp theft that has left AQUILA INC completely broke we have decided we have no choice but to host YET ANOTHER ETANA LOTTO!!!!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=212551&find=unread

Pry open those wallets and throw ISK at us! Everyone's a winner (just ask Kwark)!

Best of all this Lotto is 3rd party secured by Aeth Gemulus.

Happy spending! o7o7o7


That was fast
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
March 07 2013 11:04 GMT
#29344
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.
I got honor. - Johnny Business
Mysticus
Profile Joined April 2011
298 Posts
March 07 2013 14:39 GMT
#29345
How does one fit a shield rupture these days?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:09:01
March 07 2013 15:35 GMT
#29346
On March 07 2013 13:08 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 13:46 Omigawa wrote:
As a serious question from a bad player, what is wrong with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field II on the Cynabal?


A Cynabal has a few simple points that make up its strength as a ship. It is really fucking fast. It has better damage projection at range than similar ships. It has a utility high slot. It has a shitload of power grid.

If you're trying to build a tanky Cynabal, you have two basic options. You can use double LSE + invuln + triple extenders. Or you can use triple LSE + 2/1 extender/anti-EM. Both will have long points (remember, damage projection and speed - this is a ship whose strengths lie in kiting) and a high-slot neut.

Let's do a pro/con analysis:

Invuln
Pros
-Slightly more EHP (43k vs. 40k IIRC [it's been a while...] without links).
-A bit smaller signature.

Cons
-Laughably bad capacitor.
-Seriously, try MWDing for any amount of time with an Invuln on - it's a fucking joke. Honour point.
-You can forget using a neut in your high slot - by the time it comes to use it, you'll be capped out.
-Your tank is turned off by haphazard neuts - even small ones.
-Makes your dick fall off (move to Pros if you are a woman).

Triple LSE
Pros
-Better passive regen.
-Nearly cap-stable while MWDing.
-You can realistically rely on using your neut.
-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Cons
-Larger signature. But your signature is unimportant since you chose to go tanky instead of using dual-prop like you should 90% of the time.
-Can't get super-badass double overheated reps from your Chimera on station.

Basically it comes down to this. Your capacitor is your one weakness on this ship. All the other stats are inflated to make it OP. If you have MWD + point, there is no juggling. You can MWD permanently by cutting it off for ~1 second every few cycles. If you have MWD + point + Invuln, it's not only going to be a distraction, but you'll have to make decisions about the priority of staying alive vs. pointing the target. Whenever your cap runs out forcing you to exit a fight or die, there is another you in another universe happily trucking along with plenty of cap because they fit their ship better.

Are there situations where the tiny extra EHP will save you? Yes. But there will be 100x more situations where you would have died or left because you lost your cap. Total EHP or even DPS rep on a kiting ship is a fairly meaningless stat when it comes down to small differences.

[Cynabal, Have your cake and eat it too*]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
Cynosural Field Generator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hornet EC-300 x5

*Aeon not included with purchase

-All your midslot heat is devoted to your point - probably your most crucial module if you're in a fleet.

Very underrated, I do not understand why people chose to fit (pre-nerf) podla drake with the invuln/LSE variation, 5/6 possible heat sources just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
?
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 07 2013 16:34 GMT
#29347
m8

You use 5 Hornets instead of 5 Vespas? Good luck not dying to that Machariel as you spam approach on him.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
March 07 2013 18:06 GMT
#29348
good point:

I suggest making the hi-slots

Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I

so while in an INTENSE ESPORTS MICRO-APM-BATTLE it is a lot eaiser to activate the relevant modules
?
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 07 2013 20:50 GMT
#29349
On March 07 2013 20:04 Ueberlisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.


If you were a real man you would solo in an Etana and not some overpowered piece of shit that terribads like Garmon whelp to gatecamps.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 07 2013 21:18 GMT
#29350
Whelping is when an animal gives birth. Welping is losing a ship/fleet/whatever.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Mysticus
Profile Joined April 2011
298 Posts
March 07 2013 21:33 GMT
#29351
What if you whelp while welping. Or welp while whelping.
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 07 2013 22:12 GMT
#29352
Maybe I was implying that Garmon is into bestiality.
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
March 07 2013 23:49 GMT
#29353
On March 08 2013 03:06 419 wrote:


Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I


You called?
Serious Business
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 08 2013 00:24 GMT
#29354
On March 08 2013 08:49 Johnny Business wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:06 419 wrote:


Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cynosural Field Generator I


You called?


Confirming Johnny Business is an Archon.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44254 Posts
March 08 2013 02:44 GMT
#29355
I streamed oracling in VFK today.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 03:15:12
March 08 2013 03:13 GMT
#29356
[image loading]

got this when i xed up to shoot the hub in turnur lol
telling it like it is
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19240 Posts
March 08 2013 04:11 GMT
#29357
who are you?
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
March 08 2013 04:25 GMT
#29358
On March 08 2013 13:11 tofucake wrote:
who are you?


Looks like a Shield Battery member who joined in February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 04:30:58
March 08 2013 04:30 GMT
#29359
On March 08 2013 05:50 Rengas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 20:04 Ueberlisk wrote:
On March 07 2013 04:22 Rengas wrote:
Any complaints about our More Than Reasonable pricing should be posted in this thread.


Price is reasonable just for the rarity reasons. Ship is just bad :D. Now sell me adrestia/vangel or such that i can use.


If you were a real man you would solo in an Etana and not some overpowered piece of shit that terribads like Garmon whelp to gatecamps.


5 hobgoblins, 1 turret. with some drone low's it might do like 100 dps. hmm.

and i assume the garmon ship is called talos?
I got honor. - Johnny Business
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 04:47:35
March 08 2013 04:32 GMT
#29360
On March 08 2013 13:11 tofucake wrote:
who are you?

depends on what you want to know
telling it like it is
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