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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
By the end of that 51 days, if they do more PvE than just enough to pay for plexes and their ships, they should have enough where they could conceivably buy a better character (not super amazing, but better than they currently have) for like 4-5 billion (and, really, 5 billion isk in a month and a half is not a lot of PvE). By putting a newly bought character on a 51 for pvp, and selling it for profit while still doing more PvE than just paying for plexes and ships, they can then conceivably have a 10+ billion isk character in a bit over 3 months, but yet having over a year's worth of SP, and if they continue doing that, it really won't take long to get a pretty awesome PvP character compared to simply training one from scratch. If I had done that with my first good chunk of isk instead of spending it on Machs, I'd have been a hell of a lot better off. Buying SP really is the way to go..... I just wish I was smart enough to do that..... | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On January 01 2013 08:10 Impervious wrote: They start with basically 51 days for the Faction Warfare thing, right? By the end of that 51 days, if they do more PvE than just enough to pay for plexes and their ships, they should have enough where they could conceivably buy a better character (not super amazing, but better than they currently have) for like 4-5 billion (and, really, 5 billion isk in a month and a half is not a lot of PvE). By putting a newly bought character on a 51 for pvp, and selling it for profit while still doing more PvE than just paying for plexes and ships, they can then conceivably have a 10+ billion isk character in a bit over 3 months, but yet having over a year's worth of SP, and if they continue doing that, it really won't take long to get a pretty awesome PvP character compared to simply training one from scratch. If I had done that with my first good chunk of isk instead of spending it on Machs, I'd have been a hell of a lot better off. Buying SP really is the way to go..... I just wish I was smart enough to do that..... Yes if they do that they can buy a PvP toon, but let's be honest here. The PvE in Eve is really really awful, and a lot of people just don't want to grind a lot to pay for a new toon. Some people (like Jed) even pay for their subs with cash instead of paying with PLEX. Sure it is awesome to have toons with way more SP than your main (I know this from first hand experience), but telling new guys to do that is just setting them up for burnout. However, with the newly balanced frigs and cruisers (especially in FW) you don't really need to buy SPs because a lot of these ships can be flown with low SP and still be awesome. Just to name a few off the top of my head in no particular order: Celestis, Scythe, Omen, Caracal, Rupture, Thorax, Vexor, Augoror, Osprey, Exequror, Arbitrator, Bellicose, Maulus, Crucifier, Moa, Maller, Executioner, Atron, Slasher, and Condor. I am probably missing some other ships that have really cool uses too, but my point is that you can do cool and fun stuff with these ships with low amounts of SP, especially in FW where most everyone is flying similar ships to these. The EWAR and T1 logi cruisers are especially easy to get into. So sure, the guys who want to make a lot of isk and buy really nice toons have that opportunity, but I don't think encouraging that is a good thing. It can lead to burnout and with all these cool low SP ships to fly there is no reason to, new guys can train for them quickly and have a blast flying in FW. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
You can work your way to a much better character than what you could train in a lot less time than new guys may think. And, yes, you may be able to physically sit in a workable cruiser in a month or so, but it will still take quite a while to get the supports to a decent level..... And you're kindof stuck flying that specific race until you cross-train, which will still suck without proper supports..... | ||
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unsniped
United States241 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On January 01 2013 09:08 Impervious wrote: The PvE in Eve is terrible, yes, but I'm not suggesting everyone does what Tarias did a year ago lol. You can work your way to a much better character than what you could train in a lot less time than new guys may think. And, yes, you may be able to physically sit in a workable cruiser in a month or so, but it will still take quite a while to get the supports to a decent level..... And you're kindof stuck flying that specific race until you cross-train, which will still suck without proper supports..... "Proper supports" are overrated in my opinion. Are they nice to have? Of course they are, but telling new guys that they need supports to V or they aren't worth a damn is just wrong. As much shit as I have given Aeth about his skill training he is a great example of a guy who got a ton of kills without having "proper supports". Game knowledge and personal skill is more important than your character skills. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
I still have a shitload to work on though. CyberV, thermoV, some better missile skills, better supports, ewar skills, AFV, etc. And BCV before the change. And I bought characters that can fly this shit far better than I currently have. Hell, the one Amarr character I have has perfect gunnery supports and even small railgun spec to V and gallente frig V..... It's actually a better atron pilot than my "main" pvp account which has done nothing but training for small ship pvp for a year..... The difference in dps is like 10%, better EHP, etc..... I'm just gonna sell it in the future, because I don't actually want to pvp on it. While I can still get kills on worse accounts, there have been tons of fights where I lose by a volley or two, and that's the difference between a better character or not in many cases. So, yes, I'd prefer using a better character. Unfortunately, because I put the time and effort into this character, I really don't want to abandon it..... And, realistically, it's not far from actually being a good small ship pvp character at this point, which is very hard to find on the character bazaar, and is also hard to find a buyer for, so I'm pretty much stuck with it. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:11 Impervious wrote: I'm in full agreement about not needing skills in order to get kills. Before I stopped playing, I was getting shitloads of kills in RvB (close to 3 kills for every loss, which I thought was okay because it was usually me vs the world lol). But I still had my frigate skill to V, T2 guns and all damage supports to 4, navs to essentially V's, and still most/all electronics, engineering, and mechanics to 4 or better. AWU4 and rigging skills to 4 for fitting. Etc. Once I got the supports to a decent level and a frig at V, I slowly worked my way towards a 2nd class of ships, before moving to a 3rd, etc. I still have a shitload to work on though. CyberV, thermoV, some better missile skills, better supports, ewar skills, AFV, etc. And BCV before the change. And I bought characters that can fly this shit far better than I currently have. Hell, the one Amarr character I have has perfect gunnery supports and even small railgun spec to V and gallente frig V..... It's actually a better atron pilot than my "main" pvp account which has done nothing but training for small ship pvp for a year..... The difference in dps is like 10%, better EHP, etc..... I'm just gonna sell it in the future, because I don't actually want to pvp on it. While I can still get kills on worse accounts, there have been tons of fights where I lose by a volley or two, and that's the difference between a better character or not in many cases. So, yes, I'd prefer using a better character. Unfortunately, because I put the time and effort into this character, I really don't want to abandon it..... And, realistically, it's not far from actually being a good small ship pvp character at this point, which is very hard to find on the character bazaar, and is also hard to find a buyer for, so I'm pretty much stuck with it. That's a great example proving my point. People who train their own toons are still able to get shit done, but those people who can stand the PvE and make the grind can get a nice toon. Both options exist and are perfectly valid, but encouraging the grindy option should not be encouraged in my opinion since it can burn out players very easily. | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
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KwarK
United States43910 Posts
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unsniped
United States241 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Kwark, convo me if there's a lot of profit in this. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:28 Impervious wrote: It still took several months of training to get to the point where I could fly a competent frigate or destroyer in pvppp situations..... With a bit of grinding, I could have been there in a month and a bit..... It's very possible to train a decent frigate in a month. I am not arguing that it is faster to train SP on your own than to grind isk and buy them. It is much faster to buy SP. The problem arises when you tell all your new guys "you need to grind a lot of isk and buy 10b isk characters to be useful". This can scare away a lot of recruits because they don't want to grind all that isk and it is very intimidating. If you tell new guys "Hey, here is what you can train to be really useful in our gangs and you can try a few different ships" then it is very welcoming because they have lots of choices and its easy to get into. Maybe they want to try logi, ewar, tackling, or DPS. They can do all these things very easily and cheaply. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19203 Posts
On January 01 2013 13:01 motbob wrote: I think a chain of COSMOS missions would probably be the best way. I don't think COSMOS has been fully figured out yet, and nor do I think faction grinding has been boiled down to a science. Kwark, convo me if there's a lot of profit in this. cosmos is basically figured out. accept missions, buy required items on market, complete missions, receive status | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 01 2013 13:15 tofucake wrote: cosmos is basically figured out. accept missions, buy required items on market, complete missions, receive status OK, and what about the free mission items you get from COSMOS courier missions? which missions do you complete and which do you take the items from? What is the specific path of missions to take to get from 2.00 to 5.00, or 6.00, or 7.00? Which missions can be completed "normally" without any muss or fuss? Do you think the standard method of "buy stuff off contracts" will work for 20 toons at once? | ||
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KwarK
United States43910 Posts
On January 01 2013 13:01 motbob wrote: I think a chain of COSMOS missions would probably be the best way. I don't think COSMOS has been fully figured out yet, and nor do I think faction grinding has been boiled down to a science. Kwark, convo me if there's a lot of profit in this. The mining implant is up to 1.6b, you can claim it once per character. I have over 100 characters. Obviously that would depress the price a little but still. Sharing a wave of fw missions puts you up to like 4 standings instantly but caldari have no warzone control. | ||
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