EPTI'm pretty sure that Valve regularly patches their games, and CSS is probably no exception. So as of right now, does anyone know if source "requires just as much skill" as 1.6? Or should I just stick with counter-strike 1.6?
CS 1.6 vs Source?
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
I'm pretty sure that Valve regularly patches their games, and CSS is probably no exception. So as of right now, does anyone know if source "requires just as much skill" as 1.6? Or should I just stick with counter-strike 1.6? | ||
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Ki_Do
Korea (South)981 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
Easy in terms of actual gameplay in killing and amount of horrible people that play that game. To make a shitty comparison its somewhat similar to ssb: Brawl compared to melee except not only does Source suck (imo) compared to 1.6, they didn't really add anything new gameplay-wise besides remove nifty, skillful glitches and tricks (they even removed some stuff like the retarded, yet fun to use CT shield) and change up hitboxes, recoil, etc. I can only think of 1 detrimental glitch that was removed in source (crouch hop). It's like what Starcraft 2 is looking to be compared to Starcraft: Brood War. It will create a gigantic rift in the community possibly just like Source did to 1.6 because even though it may be inferior, sponsors go for the newer games without much question and leave the better game in the dust. A game in a set of sequels that even though the previous title is better, the new game is played because it is new and plastered with golden, shiny shit. CS 1.6 got largely demolished competition-wise, it's still going, it's still the most popular online fps game as of now but Source simply has the sponsors and money. The question is, will Starcraft 2 mess up the great Starcraft Orig? (probably not) If you like somewhat dumbed down gameplay, maybe it's up your alley. If you are average in 1.6 you will pretty much do very well in random pubbies in source, but not really in competent scrims nevertheless. Competent scrims have everybody deagle headshotting with ease due to the watermelon sized heads in comparison to the smaller head hitboxes in 1.6. Being "good" in Source makes you average, yet being a great deagle headshotter in 1.6 makes you become an excellent player. Some dudes I know say they would never play 1.6 because it looks like they are throwing a spray can or something when they throw a grenade. Well Gameplay > Graphics anyday and really, thats all source has going for it against the superior CS 1.6. GrApHiCs To finally answer your question, source does not require as much skill as 1.6. Source idiots/fanboys might disagree, but its true. You do not need as much technical skill in source in comparison to 1.6, you don't really need as much game smarts either. Yeah I hate source it sucks. | ||
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Jizz
Australia224 Posts
blonde= Dumber and prettier | ||
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paper
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
Source, on the other hand, seems to reward more aggressive (read: dumb) players because of the low recoil and large head hitbox. Just play what you feel is more fun. | ||
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Chariot
United States36 Posts
On December 20 2008 20:47 paper wrote: why can't developers make shit pretty AND functional : ( Because they have a budget | ||
GTR
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
I don't know what it is that makes me continue to consider Source... I guess it's the name. | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
and then sc could be like cs 1.6? (more skillzzz) | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
 ? Or without a p90 that shoots completely straight even though you jump. Or a scout and awp that shoot completely straight without zoom. Or without bunny hopping? | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
 I prefer 1.6 because it feels less based on luck and more on skill. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
Trust me. 1.6 is infinitely better then source (in every aspect other then the reg in source is somewhat better and the graphics...). 1.6 is just a much better competitive game, and skill is a much more important aspect then it is in source, and there are so many more little tricks in 1.6 that can you give you an edge over an opponent in source (knowing some obscure spam spots, for example). Stay with 1.6 You won't regret it. | ||
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krazymunky
United States727 Posts
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
On December 20 2008 20:45 Jizz wrote: Source is the Blonde version of 1.6. blonde= Dumber and prettier That's a good one. It's true. I prefer 1.6 myself and always have. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Many reasons for that, easy recoil, bigger head hitboxes, i don't even consider graphics good, it is goofy in css and graphics is irrelevant in counter-strike. It's soon to be completely dead now since cgs folded. Idiots from Valve cut the amount of 1.6 players exactly in half with recent destructive patch and it still has more players. http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/games/ http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ | ||
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Azrael1111
United States550 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 21 2008 08:57 Magic84 wrote: CSS is sh*t. Many reasons for that, easy recoil, bigger head hitboxes, i don't even consider graphics good, it is goofy in css and graphics is irrelevant in counter-strike. It's soon to be completely dead now since cgs folded. Idiots from Valve cut the amount of 1.6 players exactly in half with recent destructive patch and it still has more players. http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/games/ http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ I havent played 1.6 in a long time, what was the destructive patch about? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
http://store.steampowered.com/news/1921/ | ||
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Jovan
Canada65 Posts
 .Honestly it doesn't even matter. There are so many newer FPSs out there that are played tournament-wise (I can think of Call of Duty 4 and Quake 4 right now) that a debate like this is out of fashion. I do agree with the sentiment that a 1.6 (or Classic) player will have an advantage over a Source player. I remember when I started playing Source I was killing people easily. It still holds true and you can hit #1 in most of the public servers you visit without much trying. The hitboxes are messed up, but it's all good. Play to have fun. I forgot how long I've been playing CS for but I'm surprised that 1.6 has gained such a cult following. From the time I played (Beta 6.0 or so) up to 1.6, there were way better versions. I think the riot shield was an idiotic move. Anyhow, if you like 1.6, give Day of Defeat a try. I used to use it years and years ago to practice accurate headshots because in that game, there isn't really any sort of "hit points." You either live or die after being shot by a rifle. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On December 21 2008 12:14 writer22816 wrote: I think he's talking about this one: http://store.steampowered.com/news/1921/ What was destructive about it? | ||
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brambolius
Netherlands448 Posts
On December 24 2008 00:34 Hawk wrote: Steam is better, you guys just need to get with the times. Bunch of old dinosaurs who don't wanna move onto anything new. lol | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On December 24 2008 05:06 SonuvBob wrote: 1.6 = Steam What was destructive about it? Server runners have to update from protocol 47 -> protocol 48 | ||
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Error Ash
Germany177 Posts
On December 21 2008 01:00 DrainX wrote: Beta 5.2 gogo. Why would you want to play CS without a scope on the m4 ? Or without a p90 that shoots completely straight even though you jump. Or a scout and awp that shoot completely straight without zoom. Or without bunny hopping?Those were the days! | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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hiroxx
Ireland115 Posts
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On December 20 2008 21:09 GTR-2-Go wrote: source is pretty much dead competition wise after cgs folded Not really... Many major teams have now moved to source, including team 3D. IMO CZ > 1.6 Source feels like a whole new game to me. | ||
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Scooter
United States747 Posts
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GTR
51375 Posts
On December 29 2008 01:46 GunsofthePatriots wrote: Not really... Many major teams have now moved to source, including team 3D. IMO CZ > 1.6 Source feels like a whole new game to me. ...... you have no idea what you are talking about. complexity > moved to eg 3D > half of team went to jmc venom > half of team went to jmc etc etc | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On December 28 2008 23:51 hiroxx wrote: 1.5 was the best everything else was worse this. But OP is asking which is better: 1.6 or source If you're looking for fun, and are new to counter-strike I would go with source. The general skill level of pubs is a lot lower and looks/feels amazing. There is definitely a lot more bullshit shots done in source however because of the skewed (bigger) hitboxes, and you will get random-headshotted a lot more than in 1.6. But you wont really notice this unless you're a competitive 1.6 player (i.e. cal and clan scrim type). | ||
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Love.Zelduck
United States170 Posts
The world CS community plays 1.6. The only people who play source are North Americans because it pays better. Even the top US pros say they'd rather play 1.6, but they have source contracts and that's what pays over here. Btw it's easy to learn source once you're good at 1.6. If you start in source, I expect you'd always prefer it because you don't like getting creamed by the harsher engine and stiffer comp, and your transfer would be a crappier experience. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Yes, the spray is more random. No, this doesn't make the game easier at a competitive level. Yes, if you go play on noob pubs, it'll make it easier for nubs to get lucky headshots on you, but at the competitive (aka > cal-o) level, no one is spraying and praying anyways since it's RANDOM and you won't often get kills, so people burst just like in 1.6 anyways. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On December 30 2008 08:21 -orb- wrote: 1.6 players bashing on source is as stale as zerg/terran players bashing on protoss. Yes, the spray is more random. No, this doesn't make the game easier at a competitive level. Yes, if you go play on noob pubs, it'll make it easier for nubs to get lucky headshots on you, but at the competitive (aka > cal-o) level, no one is spraying and praying anyways since it's RANDOM and you won't often get kills, so people burst just like in 1.6 anyways. W/e, source is ez mode 1a2a3a | ||
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frankbg
Canada335 Posts
On December 30 2008 08:21 -orb- wrote: 1.6 players bashing on source is as stale as zerg/terran players bashing on protoss. Yes, the spray is more random. No, this doesn't make the game easier at a competitive level. Yes, if you go play on noob pubs, it'll make it easier for nubs to get lucky headshots on you, but at the competitive (aka > cal-o) level, no one is spraying and praying anyways since it's RANDOM and you won't often get kills, so people burst just like in 1.6 anyways. Rofl. Source is bad. No excuses can make up for it. CALmain source is weaker than CALopen 1.6 Btw, 1.6 players generally ignore source and don't bash it up, except in regards to the CGS. I mean it really goes to show how bad and retarded sourcies are, first the only league that support them is ran by outsiders who more than likely have downs syndrome, then it's populated by people who don't know wtf they're talking about, like these two: On December 24 2008 00:34 Hawk wrote: Steam is better, you guys just need to get with the times. Bunch of old dinosaurs who don't wanna move onto anything new. And this piece of pure golden comedy: On December 29 2008 01:46 GunsofthePatriots wrote: Not really... Many major teams have now moved to source, including team 3D. IMO CZ > 1.6 Source feels like a whole new game to me. | ||
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UmmTheHobo
United States650 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On December 30 2008 09:24 frankbg wrote: Rofl. Source is bad. No excuses can make up for it. CALmain source is weaker than CALopen 1.6 Btw, 1.6 players generally ignore source and don't bash it up, except in regards to the CGS. I mean it really goes to show how bad and retarded sourcies are, first the only league that support them is ran by outsiders who more than likely have downs syndrome, then it's populated by people who don't know wtf they're talking about, like these two: LOLLLLLL Everyone in 1.6 is at least invite, and mostly main. It's so hard to find people bad enough to be open for 1.6 1.6's open is like source's OGL. Everyone is main in 1.6, it's like finding a protoss on iccup, they're everywhere. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 30 2008 11:32 -orb- wrote: LOLLLLLL Everyone in 1.6 is at least invite, and mostly main. It's so hard to find people bad enough to be open for 1.6 1.6's open is like source's OGL. Everyone is main in 1.6, it's like finding a protoss on iccup, they're everywhere. L2#FindScrim, L2#FindRinger Source is a joke | ||
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On December 30 2008 11:32 -orb- wrote: LOLLLLLL Everyone in 1.6 is at least invite, and mostly main. It's so hard to find people bad enough to be open for 1.6 1.6's open is like source's OGL. Everyone is main in 1.6, it's like finding a protoss on iccup, they're everywhere. I have no idea wtf you're saying. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On December 30 2008 08:21 -orb- wrote: 1.6 players bashing on source is as stale as zerg/terran players bashing on protoss. Yes, the spray is more random. No, this doesn't make the game easier at a competitive level. Yes, if you go play on noob pubs, it'll make it easier for nubs to get lucky headshots on you, but at the competitive (aka > cal-o) level, no one is spraying and praying anyways since it's RANDOM and you won't often get kills, so people burst just like in 1.6 anyways. But not everyone plays at competitive level, right? I think your protoss analogy is actually quite good, at D level protoss is definitely an easy race but it's equally hard in competitive level, but since we don't play CS/SC at progamer level you can't really ignore the fact that "nubs will get lucky headshots on you", not at our level anyway. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On December 30 2008 19:20 writer22816 wrote: But not everyone plays at competitive level, right? I think your protoss analogy is actually quite good, at D level protoss is definitely an easy race but it's equally hard in competitive level, but since we don't play CS/SC at progamer level you can't really ignore the fact that "nubs will get lucky headshots on you", not at our level anyway. Less recoil and bigger hitboxes = easier aiming = less skill differentiation = Source is obviously easier at a competitive level, because it's EASIER to get the competitive level. For any type of sport, skill difference is essential, because to have a pro level, then the pro level has to be consistently better than everybody else. More skill difference possible would mean that less people can claim that they are at the highest level of gameplay. At a non-competitive level, you can ignore the fact that nubs get lucky headshots. You can get them back easier than they get you. Even the worse CS/SC players have gotten kills/wins. After a lot of rounds you're bound to get killed by a noob at least once. It really doesn't matter. | ||
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irishash
United States285 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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irishash
United States285 Posts
On January 01 2009 10:45 Nitrogen wrote: i got vac banned from 1.6 and some game called winui on steam. i don't own either of those games and i never hacked anything on steam :\. so i just played source :[ lmao one time i bought cs 1.5 retail (before steam and with 56k modem even) and installed it and couldn't join any server cause the key was banned. | ||
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
As far as how much easier source is: I never played source on any team in any league, but I've won every local source LAN I've gone to with a pug of 1.6 players who, aside from me, haven't played an fps for over a year. The last one I went to we played 5 matches and lost 13 rounds total. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
It's also funny to headshot people with a deagle from across the map. I'll admit it. I enjoy source because it's easier and strokes my ego. | ||
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