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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
January 18 2012 18:33 GMT
#3981
On January 19 2012 03:19 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 02:30 Ighox wrote:
"PvP" video of the new Ilum, a good demonstration of how Bioware fucked it up.



On January 19 2012 01:15 Arnstein wrote:
Is it easy to cancel subscription, or is it as much hassle as Xbox live?

Easy, same as most MMO's.


How? Didn't find a cancel option in subscription.


Then you should look again, because there is a "cancel subscription" button on the "my subscription" page (just canceled mine).
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
January 18 2012 18:54 GMT
#3982
yeah cause having 2 factions a MMO works so well......


When will developers learn 2 factions is retarded, either player created alliances or min 3 factions. At least then the 2 smaller factions can team up to pvp against the largest/most represented side.

Yet another good game that has bombed due to lack lustre PvP, who would of thought, everyone wanted to be a sith lord?
The poor are thieves, beggars and whores, the rich are politicians, solicitors and courtesans...
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 18 2012 19:04 GMT
#3983
Well honestly what's the point of being a sith lord if I'm still not allowed to drive my hover bike around indoors?

What better way to say "yes, I *am* better than you mr. imperial officer" than riding my hover-harley around in his mansion? Total fourth wall breakage!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
January 18 2012 19:19 GMT
#3984
On January 19 2012 03:17 Deltablazy wrote:
What level characters do you have and of what classes? 50 powertech
What is your previous MMO experience? Maplesotry, wow, aion, dragon nest
What do you enjoy most about the game? Premading for pvp, constantly raiding
What are your plans going forward? (hardcore PvE/PvP, mass alts, etc) hardcore pve
If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? (lack of content, uncompetetive PvP/PvE, etc) n/a
If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it? Extra mechanics for HM/NM bosses for more challenges, wow-like pvp
how about worse? Raids requiring no gear, greenies being able to do NM EV successfully
What are your predictions concerning the future of the game? So far, bright future.



Awesome, thank you
as a previously hardcore WoW raider I can appreciate where you're coming from on all of that
Complex fights like original 4H, or C'thun were the highlights of raiding for me...
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
January 18 2012 19:21 GMT
#3985
So, would people be willing to give me their honest assessment of the game. As a big fan of Bioware and the KOTOR games, I'm seriously considering picking it up. I've never gotten into high level play in MMO's, but it seems that with the story system leveling in TOR should be fun enough. But, given the mixed things I've heard about the game, I'm not sure if i should try it. Would you recommend i buy, wait, or skip? If it matters, I'd be more interested in playing Republic than Empire.

Also, is there any way to demo this game?

Thanks.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
January 18 2012 19:29 GMT
#3986
On January 19 2012 02:59 Shiladie wrote:
I'm trying to see if it's a game I'll enjoy, and I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about the game. I figure the answers to these questions will help others in deciding if they should play or not as well.

What level characters do you have and of what classes?
What is your previous MMO experience?
What do you enjoy most about the game?
What are your plans going forward? (hardcore PvE/PvP, mass alts, etc)
If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? (lack of content, uncompetetive PvP/PvE, etc)
If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it?
how about worse?
What are your predictions concerning the future of the game?

Thank you for the answers!


50 guardian, 20 (and growing) vanguard.
WoW hardcore raider (5 days / week) from vanilla until end of wotlk (no cataclysm). In vanilla also massive pvp (no interest in arena so no pvp in bc and following). LotRO. Some FFIX (didnt get to max). Early days UO - but nothing serious on a freeshard.
Enjoying: Story. Grouping with friends and fooling around with them. Flashpoints / Ops.
Plans: casual pve/pvp (2 hours / day^^).
Change to make it better: Scalable / movable / skinnable(?) UI. Premade group pvp (not limited to 4 players)
Worse: arena style pvp. addons/mods like in wow.
Predictions: focus will be on pve / story progression. pvp will stay the bastard child.
brokor
Profile Joined June 2011
Greece235 Posts
January 18 2012 21:05 GMT
#3987
What level characters do you have and of what classes?
47 sith assasin

What is your previous MMO experience?
Linage2, Lotro, Warhammer online, Aion

What do you enjoy most about the game?
Class quests and flashpoints.


What are your plans going forward? (hardcore PvE/PvP, mass alts, etc)
i have always been a pvp player for the most part. i have pvp'd a lot in this game but although i think my class is a bit overpowered and i do great, i do not enjoy pvp that much in this game. it is not fluid, it is not balanced and afaik open world PVP options are limited (i am not 50 yet so cant be sure about that) instanced pvp is rly boring for me so even though i queue for warzones all the time i dont rly enjoy it that much.


If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? (lack of content, uncompetetive PvP/PvE, etc)
havent left but devote far less time than i usually do on mmo's.

If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it?
information on chat about each player. (class/lvl), better auction house. better crafting (atm everything but biochem is a joke. i am at 400 synthweaving/archeology/underworld and i can only make money off companion gifts.) looking for group/raid interface. open world pvp planets with objectives and strongholds/fortresses (dunno how illum is i aint 50 yet)
make pvp rewards less random. opening 5 champion bags to find 2 empty and 3 with the same exact item is bad.
make space combat pvp instance.

how about worse?
make skills all gcd dependant. hate this style of combat and i wish everything was animation based.


What are your predictions concerning the future of the game?

1 year with ~1 million people worldwide then either f2p or ~300k subscribers. pretty much what happened to aion.
ofc focus will be on pve and pvp will stay on warzones and arena style. wow fanboys always win


Moreover,
combat is rly bad and engine delay is unacceptable for a 2012 game. every sub-based mmo out there has by far better combat, even wow. also texture detail is equivalent of a 2003 game(on max settings).

i will play this game at least untill diablo3 is out, or if aion f2p is actually good.(that game had the best combat system for an mmo ever, too bad pvp was so imbalanced with ranged classes)
Winter is Coming
sniperb
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore148 Posts
January 18 2012 21:07 GMT
#3988
Q&A:
What level characters do you have and of what classes?
50 Assasin, 25 Sniper

What is your previous MMO experience?:
Lineage Series(I & II), Everquest (I & II).... WoW/Aion/FFXIV etc.

What do you enjoy most about the game?
PvP, Class Lore/Story line

What are your plans going forward? (hardcore PvE/PvP, mass alts, etc):
PvP-ed & PvE-ed (HM level/certain nightmare).. PvP is decent..at the same time disappointing

If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? (lack of content, uncompetetive PvP/PvE, etc):
PvP & Dev bug addressing issues - Late game content is very buggy, boss resets, new 1.1 ilum spikefest etc.

If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it?:
PvP class system revamp, mitigation is not working for spells, armor pen is a joke (thats how operatives 3 shot lowbies, however if u understand class mechanics, operatives get 'behind' once exposed + dotted / kited).

how about worse?
Bioware claims they have access to Mythic PvP devs.. and if their PvP team were the jokes behind Warhammer online, expect a mass exodus.

What are your predictions concerning the future of the game?
Depends on what BW does, if the game remains at its current state, no amount of new content can save it, FPS issues, Animations & GCDs affecting skill usage ruins rotation in pvp (especially melee), PvE content being highly ranged favoured (Firelands WoW style), End content being a chore to run (just fps over and over again, once you are done with 2-3 HM Fps it would take you about 2 hours <False Emp 1h, Ilum 35min, BT 25min).

I feel that the game was rushed out too quickly, and the closed beta test wasn't well enough, engine could be improved further.
Fireflies
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom211 Posts
January 18 2012 21:08 GMT
#3989
On January 19 2012 04:21 deafhobbit wrote:
So, would people be willing to give me their honest assessment of the game. As a big fan of Bioware and the KOTOR games, I'm seriously considering picking it up. I've never gotten into high level play in MMO's, but it seems that with the story system leveling in TOR should be fun enough. But, given the mixed things I've heard about the game, I'm not sure if i should try it. Would you recommend i buy, wait, or skip? If it matters, I'd be more interested in playing Republic than Empire.

Also, is there any way to demo this game?

Thanks.


It's like a worse WoW with a Star Wars model mod. Some people are calling it the TORtanic now.
One giant leap for mankind
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 18 2012 21:20 GMT
#3990
Actually the illum change has made it really fun on balanced servers from what I have seen. On my server on illum its about an equal republic vs empire and if it wasn't for the lag it would be way way way to much fun. I am having a blast on it with lag but I could not imagine it without or at least reduced so I get more then 10-15 fps
When I think of something else, something will go here
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
January 18 2012 21:28 GMT
#3991
What level characters do you have and of what classes?
37 Assassin
19 Bounty Hunter

What is your previous MMO experience?
Guild wars (High-level PvP, 3 years.)
World of warcraft (Raiding 13/13 heroic from cataclysm till FL patch)
Lineage 2
Anarchy Online

What do you enjoy most about the game?
The storyline and the PvP

What are your plans going forward? (hardcore PvE/PvP, mass alts, etc)
Hardmodes, perhaps some light raiding, mainly premade PvP.

If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? (lack of content, uncompetetive PvP/PvE, etc)
Not considering leaving, the bugs will be fixed soon enough. Content seems to be coming at a very fast rate.

If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it?
Give a better / customisable UI, Fix the slight ability lag.

how about worse?
Dont understand

What are your predictions concerning the future of the game?
Hard to say, if they keep up with content and can fix the underlying issues (bugs, ability delay, UI) it will be brilliant, untill then, who knows.
Useless wet fish.
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
January 18 2012 21:38 GMT
#3992
On January 19 2012 04:21 deafhobbit wrote:
So, would people be willing to give me their honest assessment of the game. As a big fan of Bioware and the KOTOR games, I'm seriously considering picking it up. I've never gotten into high level play in MMO's, but it seems that with the story system leveling in TOR should be fun enough. But, given the mixed things I've heard about the game, I'm not sure if i should try it. Would you recommend i buy, wait, or skip? If it matters, I'd be more interested in playing Republic than Empire.

Also, is there any way to demo this game?

Thanks.


No way to demo or trial yet. Will most likely come in the future.

In truth, it really depends what you are looking for. I loved KOTOR and the quests do have a slight ''KOTOR'' feeling to them.

Some people say, the game is worth it for the single player alone, but that would mean you would quit it after a few weeks once you hit the cap and the story progression ends.

Personally, I think the positives more or less end at the quests. (as of now)

The combat in the game is what many people refer as ''clunky''. This is partly due to the delay issue that's been going around, but also due to bad design. (Old engine or what?) Watch some PvP videos or w/e at YouTube and see it for yourself. Frankly, to me it seems like it's a step down from WoW combat. It functions the same way (run next to a person and circle him with WASD while spamming buttons and jumping around.) but it just feels a lot less fluid.

The graphics are a disaster for a (near) 2012 game. Guess they wanted to pull a WoW and allow people with low-end PCs be able to play it aswell.

Personally, I think they should have just done KOTOR 3 instead of this. You should also notice that some people (republicans especially) have said that the game feels more like a single-player RPG instead of a MMO due to lack of players in certain areas and the introduction of companions. (which I personally think is ridicolous for an MMO, I mean really.)

As of now, endgame content is plagued with numerous bugs and the lack of republicans shows in PvP to the point that is no reason to even try PvPing in certain places. Next patch will introduce some fixes to the PvP imbalances though.

I have faith that most of these things will be fixed within time. (Surely they will.)

But the bottom line is: If you take away the quests (that they did a great job with) your left with an MMO that is below average. Especially for an MMO that was released almost in 2012.

My recommendation? Wait for trials to come out and test if the gameplay in general bugs you the amount it bugs others. Or if you love StarWars enough, buy it and treat it as a RPG, and who knows, maybe these things won't bug you at all and you fall in love with the game. (Like many people have.)

Just my 2 cents.
tests
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
January 18 2012 21:40 GMT
#3993
Hey guys.

I am considering picking up this game as well. I was a WoW player for about 4 and half years. I was into the arena scene when it was big and competitive (TBC and most of WOTLK); however, cata just killed the WoW arena for me. Has anyone, at max level, tried out the pvp system? If so, how is it like? Is it similar to WoW arena? Are there battlegrounds like warsong/ab/eots...etc? Any information regarding the PVP system would be much obliged.
Time is money my friend.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
January 18 2012 21:42 GMT
#3994
became unplayable because of graphic bugs and fps perfomance after todays patch -.-
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 21:52:42
January 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#3995
On January 19 2012 06:40 tests wrote:
Hey guys.

I am considering picking up this game as well. I was a WoW player for about 4 and half years. I was into the arena scene when it was big and competitive (TBC and most of WOTLK); however, cata just killed the WoW arena for me. Has anyone, at max level, tried out the pvp system? If so, how is it like? Is it similar to WoW arena? Are there battlegrounds like warsong/ab/eots...etc? Any information regarding the PVP system would be much obliged.

there's no arena and and 3 warzones (battle grounds). one is like AB (capture and hold bases), one like strand of the ancients and he 3rd is a kind of capture the flag, like warsong, but its not a flag but a ball and you can pass the ball to team mates.
i was a huge PvP fan in WoW and compared to WoW PvP, it totally sux in swtor.. the ability delay makes it soo hard to play and somehow the warzones are more demanding than the rest of the game.. normally i play with 30-50 fps, but in all warzones i have only 15-20fps, even if i reduce every setting on low. i canceled my sub too today. like others said already, the game is worth the pricefor the story and leveling experience, but not a subscription
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 21:56:32
January 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#3996
--- Nuked ---
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
January 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#3997
On January 19 2012 06:55 zeru wrote:
What level characters do you have and of what classes? 50 Scoundrel, 50 Mercenary
What is your previous MMO experience? Planetside, Lineage 2, Warhammer, Aion, WoW, Rift
What do you enjoy most about the game? Class stories
What are your plans going forward? Waiting for bug fixes and content, play dota2.
If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? Incomplete game, awful GM support
If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it? Fix bugs, skill delay, more fun world pvp at 50. Make leveling about 5x slower/harder.
What are your predictions concerning the future of the game? Bad. Very rifty, and warhammery.

leveling 5x slower!? did you do a lot of pvp? i did no pvp at all during leveling and i have around 6 days played when i hit 50. thats nearly 150h! am i slow or do you really want to spend 700h to reach lvl 50?
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 22:07:47
January 18 2012 22:04 GMT
#3998
--- Nuked ---
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 18 2012 22:04 GMT
#3999
lol....i had to download my friend's game folder cuz the fking patcher wouldn't work.

now after the newest patch, I have to do it again. fml and fk bioware. they cant get a damn patcher to work?! the funny thing is they tell me to use the fixlauncher.exe in the game directory but it does absolutely nothing. ugh....it just keeps downloading 12 gigs of crap even though I have already downloaded the main assets...3 times.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
January 18 2012 23:29 GMT
#4000
On January 19 2012 07:04 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 06:59 Enox wrote:
On January 19 2012 06:55 zeru wrote:
What level characters do you have and of what classes? 50 Scoundrel, 50 Mercenary
What is your previous MMO experience? Planetside, Lineage 2, Warhammer, Aion, WoW, Rift
What do you enjoy most about the game? Class stories
What are your plans going forward? Waiting for bug fixes and content, play dota2.
If you have left, or are considering it, what are the reasons? Incomplete game, awful GM support
If there was something realistic bioware could do to make the game significantly better for you, what is it? Fix bugs, skill delay, more fun world pvp at 50. Make leveling about 5x slower/harder.
What are your predictions concerning the future of the game? Bad. Very rifty, and warhammery.

leveling 5x slower!? did you do a lot of pvp? i did no pvp at all during leveling and i have around 6 days played when i hit 50. thats nearly 150h! am i slow or do you really want to spend 700h to reach lvl 50?

It took me around a week real life time per 50 (not /played), which is a big joke to me, even warhammer was harder. I didn't do pvp until 45+. MMO's are way too easy these days, it was the same thing with rift, hit max level in around a week, all content easy, month or so later stopped playing.

Infinite grind like L2, aion and PS have is the best imo.


What is the /played time though per 50? A week real-life time means nothing, you could be playing 18 hours a day. In which case, around a week for you isn't a joke for anybody else that can only play for a few hours a day max (i.e., the people with jobs).

Granted, I have severe alt-itis, but my main character (Guardian) is still only level 43. Not sure why leveling would need to be 5x longer, any intelligent player knows how to play their class well after 150 hours of gameplay. And unintelligent players wouldn't know how to play their class after 700 hours of gameplay.

Infinite grinds are for the sadistic. That shit has been dead for years.
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