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The Witcher and NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer are the only two RPG's since Bloodlines to come anywhere near comparison to PST/Arcanum etc. While (as I am tolerant of the poor combat) I consider MOTB to be the better game, The Witcher is definitely worth playing.
The strengths of The Witcher are the art design (not irrelevant to the game and purely to show off like Bioshock), world (gritty + shades of grey yet also lively, not boring Oblivion/Bioware generic with obvious good + bad) and 'choices and consequences' (not Bioware-esque only affecting the next converstaion, but rather affecting things across acts). The C&C is generally very well done, with Fallout-esque slideshows spread throughout, rather than just at the end. It's also nice that money is actually an issue (particularly on Hard), though it does somewhat encourage grinding through gambling. The graphics are surely the best of any RPG.
Combat is probably above average (don't bother with Easy) for an RPG. Also you MUST play the enhanced edition. The game combines maturity in its themes with moments of pure stupidity like sex cards and sometimes uneven swearing. Even in the enhanced edition the voice acting and dialogue can be iffy, and it's best played with Polish voiceovers and English subtitles. The sidequests are often merely fetch/courier quests, though certainly not as inane as, say, Mass Effect's. The music is unremarkable (though to be fair I think this applies to game music without exception). Some people hate the game because of the lack of character customisation, but they are stupid.
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sounds great. so what's better about MOTB? haven't played neither of the games but i'm a story fanatic and if MOTB's story should be better i'd rather pick that.
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Fallot 2 then Baldur's gate 1
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Such a hard pick between Fallout 2 & Baldurs gate 2
Going to have to go with Baldurs gate 2 for the moment, but a year ago it would probably have been Fallout 2.
I want 2 votes >.<
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Planescape: Torment and KotOR for the single-player, NWN for the multi-player.
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I really like FFVII, first RPG i played, and so far the best, heard good praise for BG2 so might buy it 
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On October 09 2008 15:54 Pangolin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 14:45 JohnColtrane wrote:
i voted for morrowind, but i also really enjoyed fallout 2, although being able to get the advanced power armor from navarro at the very start of the game really made it way too easy. unless you were fighting deathclaws or guys with big guns/energy weapons, youd take 0 damage unless it was a lucky/critical hit. ploughing through noobs with shotguns and rifles and not taking a scratch was fun but eventually it wore off That is your own fault for purposely breaking the order of the game and getting end game armor at the beginning. You cannot blame the game for that.
no, the opportunity to gain end armor without risk and without long investment should not be feasible in the game, but it is (talking to chris the dumbass gas station attendant is not hard work or risky) and it is not a bug or a glitch or a 'sneaky' way either, you actually get a quest from matt the bos dude in san francisco to steal the plans and during that you recieve the armor at the armory. so its not breaking the order of the game at all because theres a quest at the start of the game to do it
personally i liked the icewind dale ii over baldurs gate because you get to create your own 6 party rather than just one guy
i also really enjoyed oblivion, i think it lacked the depth of morrowind but alot of the quests kicked ass, the combat system and the stealth system really improved and made it alot more fun. also i think the longevity was increased when they added stuff like doing the arena every week, the night mother statue thing plus all the other weekly based stuff. however i didnt like the magic system all that much, mainly how there were ranks instead of chance to cast a spell, and that raising skills above 100 did nothing, in morrowind i had a mod that allowed skills/attributes to increase past 100 and that made it more fun to build up a huge character. i did however like the armor penalty to cast, max armor level capped at 85 (i think they should have put an 85 cap on stuff like resist magicka, reflect etc). i think in many ways oblivion was a step up from morrowind, just lacking a little bit of depth and the environment kinda sucked
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You can create your own BG2 party, just start a multiplayer game, make all your chars, then move the save file from the multiplayer save folder to the single player save folder. However, you don't get the NPC specific quests or all the fun banters & comments you would otherwise.
Or you can semi-cheat and use the shadowkeeper editing program to change the stats/class/proficiencies of the standard BG2 npc's if you want.
Although I wouldn't recommend either of these methods, playing with the standard NPC's (ok, maybe a few mods for adding to the original NPC's is in order) is imo the most entertaining way to play BG2. Not that I don't enjoy playing with custom created NPC's or going through the game solo ^^.
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Oh, when i saw nwn in the poll i forgot to speak about the mod "le batard de kosigan" by Fabien Cerutti, i dont know the english name but it has been translated and is on nwn vault. Definitely a must do among all nwn mods.
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The best PC RPG's i ever played were Vampires Dawn I & II. They are made with the RPG Maker so the graphic is pretty bad, but the story and the gameplay is just outstanding. And they are for free
Sadly only in german available :/
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On October 09 2008 21:50 Ki_Do wrote:
warcraft3
Good RPG's, not abortions.
On October 09 2008 17:33 Ghardo wrote:
sounds great. so what's better about MOTB? haven't played neither of the games but i'm a story fanatic and if MOTB's story should be better i'd rather pick that.
Generally speaking I would say the polish and writing of MOTB is superior. Having companions (generally well done and not childish) can also be nice. The character development system isn't much better though, since Epic levels are generally boring. It has nice choices and consequences, though they might not seem as 'heavy' as the Witcher; no walkthrough I've read has been able to cover every choice/conseqence. I would say that since MOTB is, in my view, more focused on the story, the story is superior to The Witcher.
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On October 09 2008 09:50 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 09:45 Myrmidon wrote:
Which do people think had the best battles? In my limited experience I'd say BG2 by a fair margin, but I'm hoping that there's games out there I haven't played that reach or surpass it. SILVER! LOL
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This thread inspired me to redownload Arcanum. Think that's the only game on the list i haven't completed more than once haha :D
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a) Arcanum isn't on the list.
b) You replayed Oblivion voluntarily??!
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On October 09 2008 22:36 Spinfusor wrote:
a) Arcanum isn't on the list.
b) You replayed Oblivion voluntarily??!
Oh ye forgot oblivion was on the list, Forgive me, i have sinned  . Nah i played oblivion through once (modded up ofc , but you can't change a shallow game)
And ye didn't really mean to say Arcanum was on the list. Just that the thread reminded me of it :O
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On October 09 2008 19:45 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 15:54 Pangolin wrote:On October 09 2008 14:45 JohnColtrane wrote:
i voted for morrowind, but i also really enjoyed fallout 2, although being able to get the advanced power armor from navarro at the very start of the game really made it way too easy. unless you were fighting deathclaws or guys with big guns/energy weapons, youd take 0 damage unless it was a lucky/critical hit. ploughing through noobs with shotguns and rifles and not taking a scratch was fun but eventually it wore off That is your own fault for purposely breaking the order of the game and getting end game armor at the beginning. You cannot blame the game for that. no, the opportunity to gain end armor without risk and without long investment should not be feasible in the game, but it is (talking to chris the dumbass gas station attendant is not hard work or risky) and it is not a bug or a glitch or a 'sneaky' way either, you actually get a quest from matt the bos dude in san francisco to steal the plans and during that you recieve the armor at the armory. so its not breaking the order of the game at all because theres a quest at the start of the game to do it
San Francisco is not early in the game. Yeah, you can probably get there early on if you don't run into any aliens on the way there, but you have to no reason to be wandering around the desert like that unless you're playing an idiot.
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yeah its early in the game, most locations are available all the time (unlike the vaults, army depot etc) and i dunno about you, but i like to travel around to kill/level/loot because its hard to acquire money without becoming a slaver and it makes the game easier when it comes to taking on navarro or going to the oil rig.
no reason to be wandering the desert? special encounters maybe? leveling? looting?
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