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On October 09 2008 09:21 BG1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 09:06 Shymon wrote:
is baldur's gate 2 still sold or do you have to search for it used or just dl it from a torrent site?
seems since everyone loves it i should at least give it a shot. You can buy it online on Amazon, Ebay etc. but I'm not sure if you'll find it sold in stores as it's pretty old. It doesn't have any cd keys or anything so yea you could go with torrents... I bought mine off ebay for 10$.
You should play BG1 first with TUTU mod, it would be better for the story.
* BG1Tutu is a project which automatically converts the resources in a Baldur's Gate, or Baldur's Gate + TotSC install to the BGII engine, allowing for Baldur's Gate to take advantage of higher resolutions, as well as various other improvements in the BGII engine.[5] A simpler installation method, EasyTutu, is also available. Most mods for Baldur's Gate are produced for Tutu distribution, primarily BG1 NPC Project.
Get some good mods ( most of the mods are for BG2 ), the two extensions then you will have like 300 + hours of gaming x)
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Which do people think had the best battles? In my limited experience I'd say BG2 by a fair margin, but I'm hoping that there's games out there I haven't played that reach or surpass it.
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I cannot stand playing bg1 without tutu. tutu is made of win
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Fallout 2 probably the best game i ever played. planescape torment, the writing in this game is enough to have it recognized.
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On October 09 2008 09:45 Myrmidon wrote:
Which do people think had the best battles? In my limited experience I'd say BG2 by a fair margin, but I'm hoping that there's games out there I haven't played that reach or surpass it.
Icewind Dale and BG2 have probably the best battles. ( i don't really know about Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind / Oblivion are solo ).
If you get all the BG2 mods it has definitly the best battles.
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On October 09 2008 09:45 Myrmidon wrote:
Which do people think had the best battles? In my limited experience I'd say BG2 by a fair margin, but I'm hoping that there's games out there I haven't played that reach or surpass it.
SILVER! LOL
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On October 09 2008 09:50 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 09:45 Myrmidon wrote:
Which do people think had the best battles? In my limited experience I'd say BG2 by a fair margin, but I'm hoping that there's games out there I haven't played that reach or surpass it. Icewind Dale and BG2 have probably the best battles. ( i don't really know about Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind / Oblivion are solo ). If you get all the BG2 mods it has definitly the best battles.
Getting all of the BG2 mods is not advisable. There's over 461 of them and they're not all compatible. 
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On October 09 2008 10:03 dinmsab wrote:
no grandia 2?
It's still a JRPG console game even if it's ported to PC.
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I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I have to keep pressing my point. Just because morrowind has more choices because it was made more recently and is a differen't style of game, and follows the elder scrolls agenda of being a mass world with thousands of quests, does not mean it isn't a hack and slash. You constantly click (hack n slash) monsters in the game, so by your definition it would be a hack n slash. I don't understand how you can say the Diablo series is not an RPG when it is effectively a top down morrowind that is less advanced, and a differen't style.
If any of the elder scrolls games would have had an online option, they would be known for that too. Just because Diablo is known for its online play doesn't make it a non RPG, it turns it into an MMORPG of some sorts, with limited characters per game. Why would the Diablo series have won best RPG of the year, etc, if it wasn't considered an RPG?
Lastely, how can you include the Baldurs Gate series or Neverwinter Nights when they are identical in gameplay to Diablo and Diablo 2, with the exception that the combat is turn based / stregically played out instead of real time (hack n slash). Like someone said on the last page, hack n slash is a description, or mini genre, similar to music, like metal, nu metal, black metal, etc.
The point of this rant is that I think the Diablo series diserves a spot on a list of best / favorite PC RPGS, whether its best known for its gameplay properties of hack n slash, or online play.
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You seem to not understand what we mean by hack n slash. Hack n slash to us.(or me in particular) means the game revolves around NOTHING more than killing enemies nonstop. Ala Diablo, you go out of town, you kill enemies, you level up. There are no other real aspects of diablo other than that. Unless you're telling me you played them for their plot (haha?)
Edit: From your post, i'd be surprised if you've even played the BG games, because comparing the combat to diablo is kinda hilarious :O
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On October 09 2008 10:12 .kaz wrote:
I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I have to keep pressing my point. Just because morrowind has more choices because it was made more recently and is a differen't style of game, and follows the elder scrolls agenda of being a mass world with thousands of quests, does not mean it isn't a hack and slash. You constantly click (hack n slash) monsters in the game, so by your definition it would be a hack n slash. I don't understand how you can say the Diablo series is not an RPG when it is effectively a top down morrowind that is less advanced, and a differen't style.
If any of the elder scrolls games would have had an online option, they would be known for that too. Just because Diablo is known for its online play doesn't make it a non RPG, it turns it into an MMORPG of some sorts, with limited characters per game. Why would the Diablo series have won best RPG of the year, etc, if it wasn't considered an RPG?
Lastely, how can you include the Baldurs Gate series or Neverwinter Nights when they are identical in gameplay to Diablo and Diablo 2, with the exception that the combat is turn based / stregically played out instead of real time (hack n slash). Like someone said on the last page, hack n slash is a description, or mini genre, similar to music, like metal, nu metal, black metal, etc.
The point of this rant is that I think the Diablo series diserves a spot on a list of best / favorite PC RPGS, whether its best known for its gameplay properties of hack n slash, or online play.
I'd imagine it's because unlike the other games mentioned diablo doesn't allow any room for you to decide your own "morality". You have no saying in the outcome for the overall storyline or single quests, the only rpg elements in the diablo series is skill and equipment customisation.
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To Nebula:
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 both have quests. Not all of which are "Go out, kill x monsters, return to me when you're finished". Why is it funny that someone would play Diablo or Diablo 2 for their story line? You seem a little biased against the games, but you still have no valid evidence to say that Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 are not RPG's, and that they shouldn't be on that list, other than its "lower quality quests, story line, and gameplay".
To Xan:
There are hundreds of RPG's created before the new generation that had absolutely no side quests or choices for you to make, and there was a single story line in which you follow. So are you saying that no old RPG's are true RPG's because they weren't advanced enough yet to have complex, multi-route story lines and side quests? I don't really get the end of your post, because it makes no sense to me obviously, but Ill try to get what you're saying. Besides the fact that you pick what skills to level, and what equiptment you wear, it is not an RPG? You pick a character, you name that character, you do quests, you earn experiance and items from those quests, you determine your characters stats, skills, and equipment, and you go through the story line, killing monsters, doing quests, and finishing Acts (bosses). Isnt every single other RPG ever made exactly like this? Again like I said in my first post, just because the games you play are more advanced and have more quests, or a differen't style, does not make ones that are unlike them not RPGs.
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We're not arguing they're not rpgs.They're just hack n slash rpgs. WTF? There is an "other" option for people who wanted to vote diablo etc. OP just stated he didn't put hack n slash RPGS in the poll (god knows how many hack n slash rpgs there are)
Edit: There isn't really any quests in diablo that don't involve going out and killing something, is there? Collecting items i guess? but still requires you to go kill (or run i guess?)
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All of the games in the GTA series more closely resemble RPGs than those of the Diablo series.
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Boblions origonal quote of me said that the Diablo series was not an RPG. I said that other than the differen't combat systems they are for all intents and purposes the same type of game, and I origonally asked how you could have a Favorite / Top rpg poll without including the most widely played / most popular game of its time, and for a long time to come, not including MMO only RPGS such as everquest, WoW, etc. There are only a few quests in diablo that tells you to kill something, it just so happens that there are enemies protecting the quest area and such. It is possible to get through the entire game with only killing the bosses and semi bosses that open up the way to bosses. If you don't know what quests aren't about killing things, look the quest list up or play it once. How is GTA more of an RPG than Diablo? You seem to not read my post when I say that the advanced games such as the recent GTA's don't nullify the fact that diablo is an RPG. Go play GTA 1 and tell me its more of an RPG than Diablo.
To answer your re-edited edit, list 1 rpg that has quests that don't require you to go kill something, collect an item, or run somewhere and talk to someone.
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An RPG is a role-playing game. None of the things that you talk about make diablo a role-playing game.
quests? not required in an rpg
fighting? not required
equipment? not required
skills? not required
stats? not required
role-playing? required and it is no more present in diablo than it is in unreal tournament
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no mass effect.... no fable...
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So the fact that you are, wait for it, playing the role of a character in the diablo world doesn't count!? How is fallout an RPG? How is Baldurs Gate an RPG? How is any RPG an RPG, or how is not every single game an RPG if all that is required is that you role play, or play the role of someone in a game, when you do that in every single game.
I could have sworn I was Incontrol, the double swing barbarian who was outcast as a child and is forced to eat to cope with my short comings  .
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OK, Three in the morning here, i'll come back tomorrow
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