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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 01:53 GMT
#1
Here's a little clip of what this gosu thnks about Final Fantasy XIII being multiport.

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Personally, I've lost faith in them ever since Final Fantasy 11 not being a proper game like the previous sagas(made online rpg) and the 12th one was a critical blow.

The preview of Final Fantasy 13 looks great but knowing how badly they made 12, my expectation of it is rather low.

Will Squarenix do a better job this time??
Why So Serious?!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 01:54 GMT
#2
I think FF12 is actually one of the best FFs they ever made in terms of pure gameplay, but the story was one of the worst they ever wrote.

Why do you think 12 was bad?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
October 04 2008 01:58 GMT
#3
yea the gameplay was good but the characters were shite
i didnt care about them at all just tools to defeat bosses
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 02:00 GMT
#4
along with decoy and reverse right?

^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 04 2008 02:03 GMT
#5
The only thing really outstanding about FF12 was the graphics. A lot of detail went into that shit. It was ok in some other areas but it wasn't mind blowing.
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 02:04:48
October 04 2008 02:04 GMT
#6
I'm no economist, but wouldn't multiporting HELP their sales?

If the <whatever system FF13 is supposed to be on> fanboys don't want it anymore, fine. Their loss. I'm sure about 10x as many people will get it now.

I seem to recall another time this happened. FF7 anyone? Wasn't this chronicled as one of the best games ever?
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
October 04 2008 02:04 GMT
#7
I thought FF12 was awesome. It was the most time I've spent on a single player video game (like 70 hours)
blabberrrrr
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 02:04 GMT
#8
and the guy in that video...can't be serious

The Japanese are really going to not buy FF13? I can't believe that.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 04 2008 02:09 GMT
#9
hahaha that's fragmaster he's a funny guy who works for somethingawful.com

he is definitely not serious but its an awesome satire of every fucking faggot nerd who takes these video games that seriously
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
October 04 2008 02:10 GMT
#10
haha, seems like that guy is being stuck up on purpose

Personally, if a game's good, who cares what it comes out on? If it's a good game, you get it. If it's not a good game, you don't get it. What is FF? Some sort of status symbol or something?
Trucy Wright is hot
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 04 2008 02:18 GMT
#11
hahahahha "final fantasy 13 is a traitor"
AUSSIESCUM
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Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
October 04 2008 02:20 GMT
#12
LOL, I remember this guy made a video for Brawl as well. Good stuff.
(I also remember people thinking he was seriously that big of a nerd lololol)

I'm not a die hard FF fan, but I thought FF12's gameplay was pretty good, ending made me vomit repeatedly though.

I'm sure 13 will do better, just because it's on the next-gen consoles. Problem is, I don't have a PS3 or 360.
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
October 04 2008 02:22 GMT
#13
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 04 2008 02:23 GMT
#14
ff10 and 9 above 6?
ff10 ranked 2nd? =[
AUSSIESCUM
TeamLiquid eSTROgeneral #1 • RIP
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
October 04 2008 02:25 GMT
#15
6 7 and tactics are my favorites. 6 imo is the best of them all.
SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
October 04 2008 02:30 GMT
#16
I'm weird, but I loved 10 and 12. I just loved them. Everyone else says they are not the best, but iono, I just didn't like 7 as much as 10. I thought 10 was so heart-moving and emotional.
What does the scouter say about his macro level? It's Over 9000 minerals!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
October 04 2008 02:57 GMT
#17
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.
Moderator<:3-/-<
Famehunter
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada586 Posts
October 04 2008 02:58 GMT
#18
I absolutely LOVE this guy's glasses!

They look like they would crush very nicely under my fist
Velox Versutus vigilans
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
October 04 2008 03:03 GMT
#19
ff7: awesome characters, weird but deep storyline
ff8: EZ LIMITBREAKS = WIN
ff9: want to play
ff10: technically brilliant
ff12: techncially even better but there was no soul
CFDragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States304 Posts
October 04 2008 03:08 GMT
#20
The Final Fantasy series has gone downhill after seven. TheSpoonyOne on youtube did an entire video series on eight, and quite frankly none of the games after eight really did anything to try to bring new light to the party. All the series has been since the release of VII is them trying to remake VII just with another "I" tacked on the end, or if you're real classy an "X" added somewhere. And to be perfectly honest, VII was mainly trying to be VI except in 3D. The Final Fantasy series is one of those (groups of) games that no matter what the content of the game, people are so fanatical about it that it'll be purchased by the truckload.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
October 04 2008 03:18 GMT
#21
I hated XII 2 hours in.
Storyline sucked balls.
Waiting just to smack guys with auto-attack sucked balls.
Graphics were good.
No hot girls. Ashe was o-KAY (didn't get to her but my roomie did b/c he has a higher tolerance than me for boring gameplay.
Also, most FF games are man vs world or saving the world or w/e. XII was just kinda like nation vs nation.
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 04 2008 03:25 GMT
#22
balthier was the biggest let down ever. who else was highly disappointed when you finally find his pirate ship and crew and it ended up being a bunch of moogles instead of a pack of hardass pirates ready to backstab you whenever you turn around?
AUSSIESCUM
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
October 04 2008 03:34 GMT
#23
On October 04 2008 12:25 SoMuchBetter wrote:
balthier was the biggest let down ever. who else was highly disappointed when you finally find his pirate ship and crew and it ended up being a bunch of moogles instead of a pack of hardass pirates ready to backstab you whenever you turn around?

spoilers? don't really remember the game that well to know if this was that important but still
blabberrrrr
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
October 04 2008 03:40 GMT
#24
On October 04 2008 10:54 Ace wrote:
I think FF12 is actually one of the best FFs they ever made in terms of pure gameplay, but the story was one of the worst they ever wrote.

Why do you think 12 was bad?

FF12 story yes was pretty bad, but the battle scene was a pretty new one, i guess it worked out fine...
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 04 2008 03:42 GMT
#25
That guy is great XD I don't think it really matters what it gets ported on, because USUALLY FF releases will make people buy the consoles.

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FF7
FF6
FF10
FF12
FF9
FF8
Together but separate, like oatmeal
BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
October 04 2008 03:47 GMT
#26
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
October 04 2008 04:05 GMT
#27
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?




Let me reveal a little secret for you. Within the final fantasy series, there are two games that heavily influence two known/major figures on teamliquid.
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 04:36:16
October 04 2008 04:35 GMT
#28
I agree with the sentiments on FFXII, the characters and story were boring, and once I set up my characters all I did was walk towards enemies and wait for them to die. The setting was alright and the graphics were great but it was definitely my least favorite of the main FF games.

CFDragon I don't really see what point you are trying to make. All games since VII have been trying to be like it and VII was trying to be like VI? That is what a game series is. There are going to be similarities between them. Anyway, IX was trying more to be like the classic FF games than it was trying to be like VII.

I don't think that the series has necessarily been going downhill. The quality just fluctuates from game to game. For me, the order of quality is IX, VI, X, VII, VIII, XII.

Edit: I think XIII looks amazing, but of course we haven't seen much actual gameplay.
It's easier not to.
BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
October 04 2008 04:44 GMT
#29
On October 04 2008 13:05 ilovezil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?




Let me reveal a little secret for you. Within the final fantasy series, there are two games that heavily influence two known/major figures on teamliquid.


ClouD. and?
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
October 04 2008 04:52 GMT
#30
Yea FF12 was a good game play but the story sucked ass........ especially the characters.....
imagine FF12 game play on 10 :D it will kick ass
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 04 2008 05:22 GMT
#31
FFVII is horribly overrated. I thought it was pretty weak when I played through it.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
October 04 2008 05:50 GMT
#32
On October 04 2008 14:22 koreasilver wrote:
FFVII is horribly overrated. I thought it was pretty weak when I played through it.

GTFOH
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 04 2008 06:47 GMT
#33
For all of those who keep ranking X so damn high, go rent/buy/steal grandia 2, play it, then tell me what you think of 10, cause they are insanely similar via the story and *gasp* guess what, grandia 2 came first. It was like ffX ripped it off. Plus voice acting horrible, sphere grid annoying.

For order of quality of games for me
Tactics, 6/7, 9,8,12,10

Tactics IMO has the single best story out of the ff games, closely closely followed by 6. FF7 was an amazing game, which for when it was released and even now, has a solid story, solid characters, and it at the time set a level in which rpgs had to be made. 6 had a better story, better characters, and has much much higher replayability.

9 was addictively fun, much moreso than 6 or 7 but was really childish, but still alot more addictive. 8 i would rank on par with 6 and 7 if not for the horrible last two cd's of the game, the first two were insanely insanely well done. and 12 sucked outside graphics and battle system, and 10 was just plain horrible.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 07:19 GMT
#34
Grandia 2? How did FFX rip off THAT game!?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
October 04 2008 07:32 GMT
#35
"i was four years old when i first played FF1 on the famicom"
ASHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
what a legend

ff9 had the best characters compared to any other ff, they all interacted with each other, the leads weren't emo fags that didn't know how to socially interact with other characters(re, 7;8)
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 07:41 GMT
#36
hmm yeah, I really really liked the cast of FF9. Vivi was a REALLY well created character.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
October 04 2008 08:00 GMT
#37
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?


FF8 is great.
Moderator<:3-/-<
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
October 04 2008 08:05 GMT
#38
FFX!
Love the music in that game.

The voice acting made me cringe though...
We see things they'll never see
strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
October 04 2008 08:15 GMT
#39
On October 04 2008 17:00 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?


FF8 is great.


I liked FF8 too, even though it makes some of my friends cringe. Other than the draw system (which I didn't really mind at the time), I don't understand the hate.

Not a big fan of 9, 10, and 12 tho..
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sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
October 04 2008 08:17 GMT
#40
On October 04 2008 11:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahaha that's fragmaster he's a funny guy who works for somethingawful.com

he is definitely not serious but its an awesome satire of every fucking faggot nerd who takes these video games that seriously

LOL i really thought he was that faggot nerd who takes games so seriously. hes good he should be an actor.

if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
October 04 2008 08:49 GMT
#41
On October 04 2008 13:44 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 13:05 ilovezil wrote:
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?




Let me reveal a little secret for you. Within the final fantasy series, there are two games that heavily influence two known/major figures on teamliquid.


ClouD. and?


Squall u noob ^^
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:03 GMT
#42
On October 04 2008 10:54 Ace wrote:
I think FF12 is actually one of the best FFs they ever made in terms of pure gameplay, but the story was one of the worst they ever wrote.

Why do you think 12 was bad?


Because final fantasy series in my book was always about:

1. Outstanding storylines and developments
2. Brilliant characters that users interact with
3. Sensational music and good themes.
4. Best graphics at the time it's being released
5. Addictive and fun game-system that draws people

In 12, only 4 was achieved and all the others were neglected.. Horrible characters and one of the most boring storylines ever.. Dull music with even worse background/arts and suffocating battle themes with dungeons that never seems to end..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:07 GMT
#43
On October 04 2008 11:04 RoieTRS wrote:
I'm no economist, but wouldn't multiporting HELP their sales?

If the <whatever system FF13 is supposed to be on> fanboys don't want it anymore, fine. Their loss. I'm sure about 10x as many people will get it now.

I seem to recall another time this happened. FF7 anyone? Wasn't this chronicled as one of the best games ever?


Yes you're correct.

However, 7 wasn't mutli port.. All the sagas were single-ported at the time, (excluding the ports they done on computer for 7 and 8 and this was understandable because computer-platform isn't really a rival as in console industry) and 13 would be the very first in the series where they are releasing in 2 different consoles concurrently..

I mean salewise and successwise, yea this is wise move but just can't help thinking morally it's wrong.. The developers also stated initially that Final Fantasy 13 would be ps exclusive so this doesn't help either..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:08 GMT
#44
On October 04 2008 11:04 blabber wrote:
I thought FF12 was awesome. It was the most time I've spent on a single player video game (like 70 hours)


Really??

Have you played 10 or 7???

I thnk I played 10 for like years.. Always trying to get this and that and mastering spheres etc.. 200hrs all together..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:09 GMT
#45
On October 04 2008 11:10 Purind wrote:
haha, seems like that guy is being stuck up on purpose

Personally, if a game's good, who cares what it comes out on? If it's a good game, you get it. If it's not a good game, you don't get it. What is FF? Some sort of status symbol or something?


FF stands for Final Fantasy. It's the most popular RPG game in Japan and made a huge impact in gaming industry.
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:11 GMT
#46
On October 04 2008 11:20 Realpenguin wrote:
LOL, I remember this guy made a video for Brawl as well. Good stuff.
(I also remember people thinking he was seriously that big of a nerd lololol)

I'm not a die hard FF fan, but I thought FF12's gameplay was pretty good, ending made me vomit repeatedly though.

I'm sure 13 will do better, just because it's on the next-gen consoles. Problem is, I don't have a PS3 or 360.


Wow.. I like your ID.. and yea I wish i owned PS3 or an XBOX.. But i hear XBOX is dropping its price ridiculously atm so might be good to get one when 13 is out..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:14 GMT
#47
On October 04 2008 12:08 CFDragon wrote:
The Final Fantasy series has gone downhill after seven. TheSpoonyOne on youtube did an entire video series on eight, and quite frankly none of the games after eight really did anything to try to bring new light to the party. All the series has been since the release of VII is them trying to remake VII just with another "I" tacked on the end, or if you're real classy an "X" added somewhere. And to be perfectly honest, VII was mainly trying to be VI except in 3D. The Final Fantasy series is one of those (groups of) games that no matter what the content of the game, people are so fanatical about it that it'll be purchased by the truckload.


Hmm.. I agree that 7 was the best in the series and it has been going downhill but under what facts are you judging these by??

Apprntly, 8 had more sales than 7 and 10 got really good reviews..

Personally though, 7 was best imo and then 6 and 9, 10 then 8..
Why So Serious?!
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
October 04 2008 09:14 GMT
#48
HAHA That guy is awesome


I played Tactics and FF8.

Playing FF8 when I first got it was fun because that was the first time I saw 3d graphics. The story however I didn't like especially the last 2 disks.

Tactics, however, is an art game. Recommendable to anybody
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:16 GMT
#49
On October 04 2008 12:18 mikeymoo wrote:
I hated XII 2 hours in.
Storyline sucked balls.
Waiting just to smack guys with auto-attack sucked balls.
Graphics were good.
No hot girls. Ashe was o-KAY (didn't get to her but my roomie did b/c he has a higher tolerance than me for boring gameplay.
Also, most FF games are man vs world or saving the world or w/e. XII was just kinda like nation vs nation.


Yeap though you'll have to play slightly longer than 2hrs to understand it..

Though yea 12 definately had the worst storyline/characters and yea ashe is no where near as adorable as tifa or rinoa..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:20 GMT
#50
On October 04 2008 14:22 koreasilver wrote:
FFVII is horribly overrated. I thought it was pretty weak when I played through it.


Hmm.. I guess when you try and play ff7 these days, what with ps3 and xbox graphics being the stnadard.. Then yea..

Still.. ff7 had the best storyline in any game and the way it's presented is still the best imo..

You really have to just look over the graphics and play it thinking its a long movie or something..
Why So Serious?!
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:23 GMT
#51
On October 04 2008 16:32 liosama wrote:
"i was four years old when i first played FF1 on the famicom"
ASHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
what a legend

ff9 had the best characters compared to any other ff, they all interacted with each other, the leads weren't emo fags that didn't know how to socially interact with other characters(re, 7;8)


Ya 9 did an excellent job in making a dreamy fairy tale final fantasy..

Probably i'd give it a 10/10 for completedness but like what some said, its slightly childish and the villains are not as good as other series..

Still.. 9 my favourite after 7 :D
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 09:24 GMT
#52
On October 04 2008 17:15 strongwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 17:00 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 12:47 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8


die.


explain?


FF8 is great.


I liked FF8 too, even though it makes some of my friends cringe. Other than the draw system (which I didn't really mind at the time), I don't understand the hate.

Not a big fan of 9, 10, and 12 tho..


Ya it was the draw and the junction that really pissed me off about this game.. But other than that, it was still respectable
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
October 04 2008 09:30 GMT
#53
U are all noobs, downhill? Call it a damn different direction you fucking past clinging bastards, DO YOU REALLY EXPECT FF7 ON EVERY RELEASE? Sorry but if you think its a bad thing that FF has gone downhill since 7 your an idiot, its prolly the best fucking RPG fucking ever and if you think even SE can fucking top it then you are dumb as shit. FF10 was a great game, so was 12, 11 may have been a misstep but hell every series has their pitfalls. You all are so quick to proclaim your love for FF but have no faith in the new direction that their creators take the game, same with fucking StarCraft you damn heretics.
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hiroxx
Profile Joined July 2008
Ireland115 Posts
October 04 2008 10:17 GMT
#54
On October 04 2008 11:22 ClouD.BreaK wrote:
FF rankings:

1. FF7
2. FF10
3. FF9
4. FF6
5. FF12
...
Last: FF8

agree 100%
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Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 11:24:22
October 04 2008 10:31 GMT
#55
First of all, I'm glad with the multiport cause I it means I don't have to a PS3 to play Final Fantasy (Xbox360 and Wii is enough for now).

I also don't agree with the fact that FF has gone downhill since VII. IX is one of the best releases in the series imo (Vivi!) and I've put a lot of hours in XII (close to 90 I think, stupid hunts), although I have to agree that the storyline wasn't good. I don't think X was that bad, although I could never get into X-2 and I just rushed through that game so I could at least finish it once.

And while I am a fan of the older parts (V and VI) a lot of flaws can be found in those games as well. People just turn nostalgic nowadays when old games come up and it sounds cool if you mention FF V or Chrono Trigger as the best RPG ever, but most old games have flaws as well that just tend to get overlooked when looking back at it. I'm not saying those games are bad cause I've enjoyed them and enjoy the re-releases on the DS as much the next person.

FF VII
FF IX
FF VI
FF V
FF X
FF XII
The rest
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 10:43 GMT
#56
On October 04 2008 18:30 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote:
U are all noobs, downhill? Call it a damn different direction you fucking past clinging bastards, DO YOU REALLY EXPECT FF7 ON EVERY RELEASE? Sorry but if you think its a bad thing that FF has gone downhill since 7 your an idiot, its prolly the best fucking RPG fucking ever and if you think even SE can fucking top it then you are dumb as shit. FF10 was a great game, so was 12, 11 may have been a misstep but hell every series has their pitfalls. You all are so quick to proclaim your love for FF but have no faith in the new direction that their creators take the game, same with fucking StarCraft you damn heretics.


New direction?? I'm not criticizing ff12 for its gamesystems.. Nor any of the other series for that matter.. If you played 7, then you'll know how good the storyline/music/characters were as well as the gameplay..

However, 12 has just about the worst storylines you can come up with, not to mention world's most boring theme songs and background arts, + possibly the worst characters in the series, including the 1st one which practically had no characteristics in characters at all..

NO I do not expect ff7 on every release, for I greatly enjoyed 9 and think its 2nd best after 7. However, going online-rpg for 11 and now 12 being the worst in the saga, one has to consider whether this series is goind downhill. 10 was good I admit yet the characters were not as memorable as others.
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 10:47 GMT
#57
On October 04 2008 19:31 Lenwe wrote:
First of all, I'm glad with the multiport cause I it means I don't have to a PS3 to play Final Fantasy (Xbox360 and Wii is enough for now).

I also don't agree with the fact that FF has gone downhill since VII. IX is one of the best releases in the series imo (Vivi!) and I've put a lot of hours in XII (close to 90 I think, stupid hunts), although I have to agree that the storyline wasn't good. I don't think X was that bad, although I could never get into X-2 and I just rushed through that game so I could at least finish it once.

And while I am a fan of the older parts (V and VI) a lot of flaws can be found in those games as well. People just turn nostalgic nowadays when old games come up and it sounds cool if you mention FF V or Chrono Trigger as the best RPG ever, but most old games have flaws as well that just tend to get overlooked when looking back at it. I'm not saying those games are bad cause I've enjoyed them and enjoy the re-releases on the DS as much the next person.

FF VII
FF IX
FF XI
FF X
FF XII
The rest


Yeap 9 definately was sensational. (I love the tantalus!!!) Good thing about 9 is they moved back from the futuristic fantasy feel they had in 7 and 8 and it had really good music and atmosphere. Rather like old fairytale and they revived 4people battle system :D

Mmmm never really liked 5.. but 6 yea.. Definately one of must-play in the series.. How Kefka's castle used to haunt me.. and I still think Chrono Trigger and 7 is the best RPG all time though I have not played zelda so could be wrong..
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
October 04 2008 11:32 GMT
#58
Tactics.
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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 12:00:51
October 04 2008 11:59 GMT
#59
On October 04 2008 19:47 mIsUZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 19:31 Lenwe wrote:
First of all, I'm glad with the multiport cause I it means I don't have to a PS3 to play Final Fantasy (Xbox360 and Wii is enough for now).

I also don't agree with the fact that FF has gone downhill since VII. IX is one of the best releases in the series imo (Vivi!) and I've put a lot of hours in XII (close to 90 I think, stupid hunts), although I have to agree that the storyline wasn't good. I don't think X was that bad, although I could never get into X-2 and I just rushed through that game so I could at least finish it once.

And while I am a fan of the older parts (V and VI) a lot of flaws can be found in those games as well. People just turn nostalgic nowadays when old games come up and it sounds cool if you mention FF V or Chrono Trigger as the best RPG ever, but most old games have flaws as well that just tend to get overlooked when looking back at it. I'm not saying those games are bad cause I've enjoyed them and enjoy the re-releases on the DS as much the next person.

FF VII
FF IX
FF XI
FF X
FF XII
The rest


Yeap 9 definately was sensational. (I love the tantalus!!!) Good thing about 9 is they moved back from the futuristic fantasy feel they had in 7 and 8 and it had really good music and atmosphere. Rather like old fairytale and they revived 4people battle system :D

Mmmm never really liked 5.. but 6 yea.. Definately one of must-play in the series.. How Kefka's castle used to haunt me.. and I still think Chrono Trigger and 7 is the best RPG all time though I have not played zelda so could be wrong..


Bahhh, I really disliked 9. I couldn't handle how cheesy it looked, and I never did "get into" the characters. Even more so than I did with part 12. Which was also a horrible part in my eyes. Overall I really just disliked FF9. (The ending was pretty zzz as well)


12's characters really lacked sustenance, they barely had any "Gut punch" twists with any of them. The biggest one being Baltar was an ex-judge... Oh yippy?

The story was the same as well. It wasn't interesting, it seemed to really drag out. Along with everything else. You'd run aimlessly through the areas until you come to a cut-scene of 1 minute of talking, repeat. It got boring very fast. (But me being the hardcore FF player I am, had to beat it. Along with getting some of the hardest items in the game. Janguro Dagger anyone?[sp?])

Things I did like about 12, were the fact there was high leveled monsters early on in the game. Killing them provided great reward. Finding rare items was sometimes fun. Gold was useful for the most part, and sometimes fairly hard to get.


I don't know why everyone talks shit on FF8, the game was very good up until the whole Luna/Space/Laguna story part unfolds. Then it gets cheesy. But the character growth and development is the best in any final fantasy game I find. You can tailor your guys for once.

Sure it had its VERY annoying aspects. Drawing spells.... Shit that got really old. Also the few loopholes of being able to get infinite gil. But yeah, I really like 8. Almost as much as 7.


The same thing goes with FFX, I thought it was a great game too. The characters were all pretty interesting. I actually liked the spheregrid idea. Once again it falls into the "Custom tailoring" aspect. I thought the story was great. Other than the fact Auron, and Tidus are actually dead. (That was a bit cheesy)


Now with part 7, the only thing I didn't like about it.... Well it was really easy. That was about it.


Why is it no one ever talks about parts before 6? 6, and 4 were awesome games. I admittedly never have played 2 or 3 though. They seem to similar to part 1.


Oh yeah, and I fricken can't wait to play Final Fantasy Versus XIII. It looks wicked.
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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
October 04 2008 12:01 GMT
#60
Yeah tactics is better then all of them. But the game boy tactics games were not nearly as good. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I didn't like them, they are just not in the same league.
It's easier not to.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 04 2008 12:27 GMT
#61
I'll give my opinions on the games I've played.

FF III/VI:

It was an awesome game, excellent soundtrack, interesting story, good gameplay. Best main villain in any game ever. The gameplay was good as well, the random battles weren't too tedious either. It's definitely one of the best FF's, if not the best one. Too bad that some people concentrate on the graphics way too much...

FF VII:

An excellent game as well. The soundtrack is excellent, although not quite as good as FF VIII's in my opinion. There's some jewels like Jenova and One Winged Angel, though. I think this soundtrack has the best slow songs. I found the story really interesting, although it wasn't perfect and was really weird/confusing at times. Sephiroth is a really cool character, my favorite in the game.

The Materia system is awesome and that's what makes the game really good and replayable. I personally love messing with the materia. The Weapons are also interesting, and there's a lot of things that make this probably the best FF ever made. The graphics were great as well.

FF VIII:

This game, in my opinion, has the best soundtrack ever made for a game. The intro song is awesome, and the boss battle theme is my favorite game music track ever. Other boss battle themes kick ass as well, as do many other songs. The junction and GF system are good and interesting. The story feels good, but this game has some huge flaws.

There are some extremely tedious parts in the game, some really slow-paced dumb missions, or just really slow story-processing parts where I almost fall asleep and just wish it would end. The game doesn't want you to level, in fact if you level the bosses get a lot stronger, so it's a good idea to not level at all. Then you have to use the CARD command to level your GF's, and that's tedious as well.

The card game is possibly the best thing about this game, and this game is likely the best FF for "powergaming", since you can early level Seifer to lvl 68 or so and have all your GFs be lvl 100 when your other characters are at their beginning levels. The card game allows you to get cards and turn them into great junction spells really early in the game, turning your characters into an unstoppable force very early. That's the part about this game I like the most.

But it's just too tedious. I've tried playing through the game 4 times now, and every time I get bored to death before the last disc. The game just progresses too slowly and it's way too slow-paced. But I'm still happy that this game was made, since it has many of my favorite game musics.

FF XII:

Currently playing through this, and it's... garbage. Just running around ONE single place for... well, 30 hours or so already. Killing monsters randomly for no reason whatsoever with a crappy story. You don't even have to do anything but run around. The soundcrap... I mean, soundtrack is complete garbage, there's not a single good song come accross yet. The monster hunting stuff is really boring as well. This game reminds me of a cheap Baldurs Gate clone more than FF XII; Mindless hack and slash running around without much of a storyline. This game doesn't really deserve to be called FF.....

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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 04 2008 13:10 GMT
#62
FF7, FFT, FF4, and FF5 were my favorites.

I liked 6, and 10.
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brambolius
Profile Joined January 2006
Netherlands448 Posts
October 04 2008 13:18 GMT
#63
final fantasy got killed and body snatched after 9 fuck roman shit lol
Viledica
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada361 Posts
October 04 2008 13:48 GMT
#64
1. FFVI
2. FFXII
3. FFV
4. FFX
5. FFIX

Additionally FFT was awesome even though it wasn't an actual FF story (Just had FF elements thrown into it), and I still play FFXI (The online one). I had lost a lot of faith in it and quit, but recently they added a level sync system and since they added that back, tons of players returned to it, most of which quit WoW to play FFXI now because it offers something that WoW doesn't.
CFDragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States304 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 14:26:54
October 04 2008 14:20 GMT
#65
As I said, after seven the series is pretty much "downhill" and then people say "but you're comparing it to a completely amazing game, of course they're not going to live up to it!" There's a difference between not living up to previous titles and not coming anywhere close. 6 and 7 took me forever to complete because I was completely enthralled by them and wanted to do every little subquest, etc. that I could. 8, 9, and 10 took me forever to complete because I just didn't want to play them. There just wasn't the immersion factor that previous titles had. In 7, it was fun for me going around getting the higher level materia and such, it really pulled me in; the characters, story, everything. After that, getting all the higher level stuff felt more like a chore since I just couldn't bring myself to care about the atmosphere of the game.

It seems that Square is stuck in a time warp, and has to keep placing out the same game with some graphical updates and minor gameplay tweaks. When's the last time there's been a major rehaul of the combat engine in a Final Fantasy game (outside of Tactics)? I get it, the combat system is tried and true, it works pretty well for what it is, but when you have a game where the point is to log in many, many hours to beat it following the same combat engine throughout, then span that over a dozen games, it gets pretty same-y. Part of it is that the combat engine in and of it self doesn't leave a lot of room for innovation. Sure, you can change some things, but you can't really make a Final Fantasy type combat engine without swapping around some fundamentals of it and end up with combat like you do in games such as Starcraft. Granted, SC is a completely different type of game, but the completely real time combat engine it uses has plenty of room for updates without changing the core of it. Look at the depth of micro in and of itself. Strictly turn based combat just can't offer anything near that. Sure you've got buffs, but that doesn't add the same level of complexity.

Basically, micro is much more of an art, where each move you do has a certain freedom to it, whereas everything you do in a strictly turn based game can be boiled down to a hard science. Sure, some people like being able to break it down to the point where every little variable is accounted for, but that only leads to flat-out boring battles where nothing unexpected really occurs.

[EDIT] Part of the reason I'm critical on the Final Fantasy series is because it is a series. Instead of the games being standalone because of there being no link between the games, they've all got a Final Fantasy label on them. Look at a game like Chrono Trigger. It could very easily have the Final Fantasy tag on it and would completely fit in with the current criteria to be in the Final Fantasy crowd. Likewise, FFVII could very easily have been called something different and it still would be fine as it's own game. To me, it just seems the only reason games get labeled Final Fantasy is because Square has such a frenzied fanbase around the title. Any game whose name is prefixed by "Final Fantasy" is sure to sell.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 04 2008 15:07 GMT
#66
FF Tactics > FFVII

Xenogears > FFVII
Tonkerchen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
680 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 15:15:22
October 04 2008 15:14 GMT
#67
ff7 (<3<3<3<3<3<3<3)
ff6 (snes <3)
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ff12
ff8
ff10
rest

edit: also, final fantasy is nice too. but i don't cout it to main parts.. the story is just too short/weak. but gameplay makes me addicted TT (spent 179 hours @ DS with FF:Tactics A2)
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
October 04 2008 15:20 GMT
#68
ouch, saying Xenogears > FFVII is pretty harsh, what with Xenogears being complete trash.
(it's also false since FFVII is a decent game that at least has the motorcycle minigame)

Dunno why people thing the series is going "downhill" when it's just been a cash cow to keep Square afloat for the longest time. They don't mess with the formula much because when they try something new, people just BAWWWWW and when they leave it mostly the same, people BAWW still but it's less and they still sell a million copies so who cares.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 04 2008 15:33 GMT
#69
Man, I beat 12 like 8months ago and I didn't think it was that bad of a game. I mean I didn't really care for the characters all that much and dialogue wasn't much to write home about, but overall I have to say I did enjoy the game and I thought it had a good story. The system was something completely new which I was aggervated with at first, but came to accept it and thought it was "ok". I guess I have a higher tolerance for the FF games because I find that they all have excellent stories and I just work my way through a good story.

Everyone also always bashes 8 which I never understood. I really enjoyed 8's story I think it may be one of the best. 3 for the SNES is also one of my favorites I think the PS release made it 5 or 6? I figure I don't have to mention 7 anywhere in here because anything I say will have already been said millions of times before.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 16:24:55
October 04 2008 16:23 GMT
#70
Only enjoyed ff6, 9 and 12

FF was never my favorite series, I enjoyed Square's other games like Valkyrie Profile and etc
dats racist
Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
October 04 2008 16:25 GMT
#71
On October 04 2008 21:27 Shikyo wrote:
This game reminds me of a cheap Baldurs Gate clone more than FF XII; Mindless hack and slash running around without much of a storyline.


Off T: Please tell me you are talking about BG:Dark Alliance here and not BG1 or BG2. Dark Alliance is just named BG for sale reason, it has nothing to do with the true BG games (which are the best games ever made imo).

On T: Compare the combat system from FF VI to that of FF XII and tell me that those two aren't diffirent.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 04 2008 16:30 GMT
#72
On October 04 2008 12:08 CFDragon wrote:
The Final Fantasy series has gone downhill after seven. TheSpoonyOne on youtube did an entire video series on eight, and quite frankly none of the games after eight really did anything to try to bring new light to the party. All the series has been since the release of VII is them trying to remake VII just with another "I" tacked on the end, or if you're real classy an "X" added somewhere. And to be perfectly honest, VII was mainly trying to be VI except in 3D. The Final Fantasy series is one of those (groups of) games that no matter what the content of the game, people are so fanatical about it that it'll be purchased by the truckload.


I agree with this

I think 8, flaws and all, was the last great FF
(9 was garbage)
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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 04 2008 16:49 GMT
#73
When I think of a RP game... it has to have a good combat system, and great story. FFT had a cool combat system. :D I think I might play it over again cus that game was so sexy.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 04 2008 17:35 GMT
#74
I hated Tactics
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ShoutAbout
Profile Joined April 2007
Brazil177 Posts
October 04 2008 17:54 GMT
#75
The best of the best FF is Final Fantasy Tactics.
It has the most intelligent game mechanics I've ever seen.
They should make another game like that for the new generation consoles.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 04 2008 18:13 GMT
#76
On October 04 2008 17:17 sqwert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 11:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahaha that's fragmaster he's a funny guy who works for somethingawful.com

he is definitely not serious but its an awesome satire of every fucking faggot nerd who takes these video games that seriously

LOL i really thought he was that faggot nerd who takes games so seriously. hes good he should be an actor.



yeah dude hes really really funny
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
October 04 2008 18:29 GMT
#77
My Final Fantasy Rankings:

1. Final Fantasy VIII (YEAH, I FUCKING SAID IT)
2. Final Fantasy X
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy XII
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy IX

Those are the only ones i've played.

I don't think Final Fantasy has gone downhill ONE BIT. As a matter of fact, I think they have adapted the franchise quite well.

Final Fantasy VII was a great game, but when I go back to replay the FF's I often get bored with FFVII. FFVII earns it's place on my list for nostalgia less for how it's held up over the years. IMO it's just too over-rated.

I thought Final Fantasy VIII was great. I liked the junctioning system, you didn't have to grind in order to attain really strong characters and I didn't think Squall was a little bitch, unlike most FF fans. Ultimecia was a shitty boss, I'l admit that, but I can go back and play this game anytime and be thoroughly entertained.

Final Fantasy X was a mix of VII and VIII for me. There are parts I really liked and parts I didn't. I liked the Aeons and the story mostly, but I didn't connect with Tidus at all, I just didn't like his character much. A great game overall.

Let's forget that Final Fantasy X-2 even exists...

Lastly, Final Fantasy XII I really, really enjoyed. This was the first Final Fantasy that I enjoyed mostly because of it's gameplay. It looked great, had a LOT of extra content (hunts, anyone?) and was just a long and complete game. I spent over 100hours on this game, I have the save file and it was great the whole time. The story wasn't developed and I halfway through you can tell that it just isn't going anywhere, but I accepted it because they were doing something so different with the combat.

I cannot wait for Final Fantasy XIII and I think it'll be just like XII, but with the story on par with the likes of VII, VIII and X.


ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
October 04 2008 20:02 GMT
#78
I think my favourite is 8, even though it got pretty damn awful.
I used to hate 9 a lot, but i played it again recently and it isn't so bad.

12 however...i played that damn thing for 45+ hours and i had no fucking idea what i was doing let alone why a 14 year old girl is battering professional soldiers

10 was a cool game, just not a cool final fantasy game, if you understand that
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white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 20:36:40
October 04 2008 20:33 GMT
#79
Just thinking about the ones I have played
7 Good story and gameplay. I somehow played it on computer at that time and that guy with a machine gun on his hand was a fucking squre block, so I wasn't too impressed when I play it again when you know the story.
8 is actually fucking great with amazing graphics at that time (PS1), I got to beat the game with like stupid levels and it was funny. Also equip those element was fucking interesting, more so if they don't show the impact and let us find out.
9 is fucking awful, most crazy part is 'trying' to make everything 'cute', but I know people say otherwise and some tell me that it is call Final Fantasy.... so it is not real.....
10 has a very good story, but I hate the gameplay (those sphere shit for example) and level part of character. I don't think I actually did any random leveling, or just maybe I got lost a few times. Probably the hardest storyline to understand? I know you are not suppose to pick it all out and understand every detail, but still I guess I am bored.
12 Fuck yes graphics, hate the fact that I don't get surprised and ambushed by enemy (not much I admit, but still keep me awake). Kind of short story? or only because I understood it well.... one way or the other it is not something I will go back and play again.
Never bothered to play online versions.....
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
October 04 2008 20:47 GMT
#80
I love how everyone ignores X-2, it's like it's even consider a part of the series. Lol~

I liked 4 the best, it's simplicity made me fall in love with it~
this is my quote.
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 04 2008 20:53 GMT
#81
protoss power~

do us proud nony
Why So Serious?!
Wolfsnare
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada32 Posts
October 04 2008 20:57 GMT
#82
Final Fantasy 12 was NOT terrible but it also wasn't that great. It was just ok or a little above average. I loved playing it but was also critical towards it at the same time. I played it for around 100 hours because the gameplay hooked me along with the sidequests/rewards also because those sidequests took forever to do. The storyline wasn't engaging at all (oh what the hell.... it was brutal) and the characters were not interesting enough to have any attachment towards them. I just wanted to do the storyline so I can progress to new areas and that shouldn't be a good thing.

The battle system was good but was seriously flawed. Once you get to a high enough level you can forget about offensive magic because it's a waste of time. 1. it's very slow to use. You would cast magic while at the same time you could have hacked at the enemy twice to do more damage. and number 2. You could only use 2 spells at a time while your 3rd spell that you cast using your other character is queued to wait for those 2 to finish. That even applies to enemies as well. If they are casting magic then you have to wait longer to cast any second or third spell at the same time.

The game did have interesting things such as enemies dropping loot and rare equipment like in MMO's, the loot then went to selling it for more rare items. No more random encounters. Hunting down rare monsters and marks was fun except for the 1 hour+ long fight with yiazmat. The game was easily exploitable though as you can reach level 50+ and get overpowered weapons early before you reach the first dungeon. Of course you need patience to do that. This is what kept me hooked on playing it and not the rest of the game.

With that being said I don't know how any of you can judge SE for trying new things instead of beating you over the head with the same old gameplay over and over. If they give you more of the same then other people will complain of its tediousness. I'm an old school FF gamer and I've played these games since FF1, I'm glad they keep changing the experience from one game to the next. One thing I learned from all these final fantasy discussions is that everyone WILL have different opinions on every FF game. Just take it for what it is.

There are 3 generations of FF games and I thought FF6, FF7 and FF10 (soundtrack was not that great as there was only a few themes that were memorable and the main theme was just used over and over with different variations) were the best of each generation and were also my favorites. FF4 and FF9 also hold a special place in my gaming heart.

I agree with most of you that an epic FF game has to include great gameplay/battle system, a great storyline, a memorable soundtrack and characters that you can get attached to. Those are my personal benchmarks and in my opinion the only 2 FF games that achieved all of those were FF6 and FF7.

P.S. I hope this wasn't too long to read.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 04 2008 21:06 GMT
#83
On October 05 2008 00:20 MCMcEmcee wrote:
ouch, saying Xenogears > FFVII is pretty harsh, what with Xenogears being complete trash.




now now, dont even go there

Xenogears beats all Final Fantasy games out of the water in terms of storyline and immersion factor. FF7 is better than it though, but not by far.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
October 04 2008 23:14 GMT
#84
I really liked FF12 and I can't wait for FF13 and FF13 Versus. Both gam ewill probably be awsome !

Since some ppl post there FF top list

Mine:

FF6 (advance)
FF7
FF4 (advance)
FF12
FF2 (the japan 2)
n_n
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
October 04 2008 23:25 GMT
#85
On October 05 2008 05:47 Ozarugold wrote:
I love how everyone ignores X-2, it's like it's even consider a part of the series. Lol~

I liked 4 the best, it's simplicity made me fall in love with it~


X-2 never happened, just like rocky 5
fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
October 04 2008 23:36 GMT
#86
I personally have never played FF12. I actually lost interest in the series after the disappointment in 8/9/tactics. After the first 20 minutes into VIII i was bored to hell. I just said screw it and turned the game off. FFIX i looked at and didn't seem interesting at all. Also i watched my friend play FFXI and it just seemed like an all around bad game. Now i got some interest back into the series on FFX. It was a good game..decent story line and good graphics. IMO the second best FF game was FF Mystic Quest (thats right..i went way back). That was just an all around great game. Good characters story line and graphics for the SNES. Now i personally haven't seen any previews for FFXIII. I'd like too just to see if it looks like it would be a good game to get. So imo yeah the series has gone downhill a little since FFVII.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 05 2008 04:25 GMT
#87
If nothing else, FFXIII has a good chance of being different. The original FF series creator and much of the longstanding FF development team through FFX no longer work for Square Enix (they're Mistwalker, who made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey...). The original director of FFXII before he resigned in the middle due to health concerns (guy responsible for Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics) no longer works for S-E either. In other words, what previous games in the series are doesn't necessarily indicate what this game will be.

So the director/writer of FFXIII is in fact the guy who did FFX-2. And the guy responsible for the battle system is the one who did the battle system for FFX (and also directed Front Mission games, among the worst TRPGs out there released by real companies). I don't think that exactly inspires confidence, but who knows.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 05 2008 04:27 GMT
#88
oh god

the writer or FFX-2???

thats horrible
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-05 05:14:56
October 05 2008 05:14 GMT
#89
On October 05 2008 13:27 fusionsdf wrote:
oh god

the writer or FFX-2???

thats horrible


Wait sorry, I was unclear. The director of FFX-2, Motomu Toriyama, is supposedly both director and writer for FFXIII (and FFXII: Revenant Wings). FFX-2 writers are afaik not involved and do other things.
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 05 2008 05:33 GMT
#90
FF3, American release ftw. Espers rock.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-05 06:38:26
October 05 2008 06:37 GMT
#91
I love how people say FF7 had great storyline when it was a blatant ripoff of Phantasy Star RPG
dats racist
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-05 11:39:38
October 05 2008 11:32 GMT
#92
1. FF 4
2. FF 4
3. FF 4
4. FF 4
5. FF 4

Beaten the SNES FF4 and DS version. Still just as great as I remember them. It's fucking challenging too.

On October 05 2008 15:37 MrHoon wrote:
I love how people say FF7 had great storyline when it was a blatant ripoff of Phantasy Star RPG

It was the only real rival to the Final Fantasy series. Phantasy Star is still unlike anything RPG I had played. Now it plays as a WOW type game which they should made a spinoff. It's sad how Phantasy Star has fallen
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 05 2008 11:47 GMT
#93
they're all great games, 12 was vastly inferior to other FF's, but still one of the better RPG's for PS2. 13 will probably be OK, not as good as 7, bit better than 12.

And VIII, IX and X all had great stories and game systems, dunno why so many VII and Tactics fan boys hate on them.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
October 05 2008 12:10 GMT
#94
On October 05 2008 02:35 tonight wrote:
I hated Tactics
i hated you, currently
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
October 05 2008 12:28 GMT
#95
Hah I like most of them but 1 wasn't so great, and 2 was just awful. 12's characters were so boring, there wasn't even a proper lead.

It was good when they always made big changes each game like materia, junction, the gem stuff in 9, sphere grid and so on.

But I miss the lack of overworld, so boring just teleporting via airship rather than flying around.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
October 05 2008 13:09 GMT
#96
On October 05 2008 21:28 TonyL2 wrote:
Hah I like most of them but 1 wasn't so great, and 2 was just awful. 12's characters were so boring, there wasn't even a proper lead.

It was good when they always made big changes each game like materia, junction, the gem stuff in 9, sphere grid and so on.

But I miss the lack of overworld, so boring just teleporting via airship rather than flying around.

You're right Tony, I really miss the overworld. I was greatly disappointed with FFX when I realized, no overworld in this game.
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ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
October 05 2008 13:31 GMT
#97
Personally I think it's all been going downhill since 6. 7 was alright but nothing after that compares.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
October 05 2008 21:59 GMT
#98
FFXII sucked hardcore ass.

My rankings:
9
7
8
10

FF9 has the best re-play value, and thats why I like it the most now.
If I only had played these games once, I think I'd like FFVII the best, because of how huge the game is, and how wicked the story is.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 06 2008 00:41 GMT
#99
On October 05 2008 21:10 yubee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2008 02:35 tonight wrote:
I hated Tactics
i hated you, currently

I even bought the game like 5years later thinking I would now like it because I'm "older", but no I still could only get through the game once and complained about it the whole time. It's just not my type of game.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 06 2008 01:34 GMT
#100
Ok, after reading this thread and seeing how many people loved X, please, for the love of god, go play grandia 2, which ffX completely ripped off =\ That is why X is horrible, it ripped off a storyline, making minor minor tweaks to make it seem different, and was a crap game in comparison.

As for people hating tactics, that i understand as tactics based games are a very very aquired taste, but the storyline of it is what makes it so epic.

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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-06 02:20:39
October 06 2008 01:36 GMT
#101
Ok, after reading this thread and seeing how many people loved X, please, for the love of god, go play grandia 2, which ffX completely ripped off =\ That is why X is horrible, it ripped off a storyline, making minor minor tweaks to make it seem different, and was a crap game in comparison.


You already said that, nobody cares.

Edit: Also, FFX came out 1 year later, and definitely took longer then a year to develop. If there are similarities, then it is a coincidence.
It's easier not to.
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
October 06 2008 01:40 GMT
#102
as far as the video is concerned, it may be funny and all

but arent those type of people the ones make fun of forums like these as well (for their sc > sc2 sort of opinions)?

I could just picture that guy making a video paying out some poster on these forums about how shit sc2 will be or something
Free Palestine
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 06 2008 01:43 GMT
#103
Grandia 2 and FFX storyline are not even close. What the hell are you talking about?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51450 Posts
October 06 2008 02:51 GMT
#104
BG:DA is a great game to play when you have a friend around, it's like Diablo but on a console!
Commentator
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
October 07 2008 15:40 GMT
#105
I'm actually going to start playing FFIX again, I only beat it once, and I rushed through it. This was when it first came out. I just didn't like it.

So anyone got some tips for a guy who remembers shit all about it? I'm mainly looking for "Don't do this! or else you'll ruin your chance to get XXXX Item" tips.
Not bad for a cat toy.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 07 2008 17:40 GMT
#106
www.gamefaqs.com
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 07 2008 17:50 GMT
#107
On October 08 2008 02:40 MYM.Testie wrote:
www.gamefaqs.com

... Discussing in gamefaqs is like trying to start an intellectual discussion in GG.net forums
dats racist
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 07 2008 20:42 GMT
#108
On October 08 2008 00:40 Krohm wrote:
I'm actually going to start playing FFIX again, I only beat it once, and I rushed through it. This was when it first came out. I just didn't like it.

So anyone got some tips for a guy who remembers shit all about it? I'm mainly looking for "Don't do this! or else you'll ruin your chance to get XXXX Item" tips.


9 is actually quite straight forward and there arn't that many gaming tips required..

Sure every squarenix games have tons and tons of secret items/weapons that can be achieved if you are willing to spend hours on it..

Actaully now I thnk I might replay ff9.. such a great game..
Why So Serious?!
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
October 07 2008 21:44 GMT
#109
On October 08 2008 05:42 mIsUZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2008 00:40 Krohm wrote:
I'm actually going to start playing FFIX again, I only beat it once, and I rushed through it. This was when it first came out. I just didn't like it.

So anyone got some tips for a guy who remembers shit all about it? I'm mainly looking for "Don't do this! or else you'll ruin your chance to get XXXX Item" tips.


9 is actually quite straight forward and there arn't that many gaming tips required..

Sure every squarenix games have tons and tons of secret items/weapons that can be achieved if you are willing to spend hours on it..

Actaully now I thnk I might replay ff9.. such a great game..

That's not really what I meant, you see in FF4-8 they all have parts, where if you do something wrong early game, it fucks up a chance to do something late game.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 07 2008 21:55 GMT
#110
I love ff9!! man i miss all my characters, zidane, dagger, vivi.

Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-07 22:20:10
October 07 2008 22:17 GMT
#111
On October 08 2008 06:44 Krohm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2008 05:42 mIsUZu wrote:
On October 08 2008 00:40 Krohm wrote:
I'm actually going to start playing FFIX again, I only beat it once, and I rushed through it. This was when it first came out. I just didn't like it.

So anyone got some tips for a guy who remembers shit all about it? I'm mainly looking for "Don't do this! or else you'll ruin your chance to get XXXX Item" tips.


9 is actually quite straight forward and there arn't that many gaming tips required..

Sure every squarenix games have tons and tons of secret items/weapons that can be achieved if you are willing to spend hours on it..

Actaully now I thnk I might replay ff9.. such a great game..

That's not really what I meant, you see in FF4-8 they all have parts, where if you do something wrong early game, it fucks up a chance to do something late game.

I do remember there being some items that you could miss, like coffees and figurines or something. Also maybe some of the moogle letters. I'm not really sure what the reward for the items were, but if you care about getting everything you may want to find a good guide since I doubt anybody is going to remember the locations of everything.

edit: here is a missable items faq i found on gamefaqs.
It's easier not to.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
October 07 2008 22:49 GMT
#112
Well it's hard to do everything and not miss anything in FFIX, that is if you want the Excalibur 2 which you need to get to Memoria in 12 hours, so you might need to sacrifice something for it
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
October 07 2008 23:55 GMT
#113
On October 08 2008 07:49 TonyL2 wrote:
Well it's hard to do everything and not miss anything in FFIX, that is if you want the Excalibur 2 which you need to get to Memoria in 12 hours, so you might need to sacrifice something for it

Oh man I forgot about that. Screw that haha, I'd miss out a lot on the actual game. That is one stupid secret though.
Not bad for a cat toy.
ZoDD
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada309 Posts
October 08 2008 00:30 GMT
#114
ff12 was the only ff game i played and not played till the end, i hated the gameplay and story.
smarr pee pee
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
October 08 2008 06:05 GMT
#115
I just ordered FF 1 and 2 for the psp I know i can emulate them, but they have updated graphics. Ill let you know how they play when I get it.
ModeratorGodfather
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 08 2008 06:49 GMT
#116
No No NO stop the presses. The best Final Fantasy Game ever was FFX.......2!

JK

FFV and VI were the most recent I've played through (I've played every one except XII) I'm really down with Job Classes I think those are fun. As far as faith in the series, what are you going to do start playing Dragon Quest? Imagine trying to do that and BW.


NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
October 08 2008 11:36 GMT
#117
*psst* Look at the Thread "Valkyrie Profile best RPG?"

That's a real RPG, i lost faith in Final Fantasy when 11 came too. just FF6,FF3/FF7,/FF9/FF10 is good really.... 4,5 is mediocre......


Valkyrie profile is the "hit" now
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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 08 2008 12:30 GMT
#118
On October 08 2008 15:05 Manifesto7 wrote:
I just ordered FF 1 and 2 for the psp I know i can emulate them, but they have updated graphics. Ill let you know how they play when I get it.


I played FF1, and FF2 for PSone. Wow, how unrewarding those games were. lol~
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
October 08 2008 12:31 GMT
#119
FF7 and FF8

are the only ones that actually caught my attention and played

the others are just boring....
fromis_9 enjoyer
Toxic
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada233 Posts
October 08 2008 12:34 GMT
#120
I doubt FF12 should be called final fantasy, Its unlike anything they did before. The "mmorpg" battle-like system pretty much just made the player a spectator. Heck, even the story is much different than usual, I mean every single FF's are about saving the world, this one was about politics and war.
The only good thing that came out of 12 was their Voice acting. As far as FF13 will go, i'm pretty confident it wont be a fluke, every single first FF on any given console was great (think FF1,7,10)
Yes.
Zerg_Sasuke
Profile Joined June 2008
176 Posts
October 08 2008 12:54 GMT
#121
I didnt play any ff game , just watched advent children movie. I loved the storyline and deep characters ;]
^^
ShoutAbout
Profile Joined April 2007
Brazil177 Posts
October 08 2008 13:11 GMT
#122
Well, I see you guys out other games in the topic.
I can recommend you Phantasy Star Universe (X360). Amazing, just amazing.
Talking about older RPGs there is one RPG which destroys FF in any aspect: Breath of Fire III and IV.
Get off my plane!
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 08 2008 13:26 GMT
#123
On October 08 2008 21:54 Zerg_Sasuke wrote:
I didnt play any ff game , just watched advent children movie. I loved the storyline and deep characters ;]

AC sucked. =/
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
October 08 2008 16:28 GMT
#124
final fantasy fans are equivalent to madden fans :p
Twitter: @KingKosi
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 08 2008 18:03 GMT
#125
On October 09 2008 01:28 Kingkosi wrote:
final fantasy fans are equivalent to madden fans :p

I've killed for far less
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 08 2008 18:30 GMT
#126
On October 08 2008 22:26 JudgeMathis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2008 21:54 Zerg_Sasuke wrote:
I didnt play any ff game , just watched advent children movie. I loved the storyline and deep characters ;]

AC sucked. =/


AC was ok
It wasnt perfect, but it was far better than the majority or FF7 spinoffs (Dirge of cerebus I'm looking at you)
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-08 19:36:29
October 08 2008 19:35 GMT
#127
On October 09 2008 01:28 Kingkosi wrote:
final fantasy fans are equivalent to madden fans :p

complement or insult?
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
October 08 2008 19:51 GMT
#128
On October 09 2008 04:35 capek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 01:28 Kingkosi wrote:
final fantasy fans are equivalent to madden fans :p

complement or insult?


An insult of cosmic proportions.
We make signature, then defense it.
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-08 20:02:47
October 08 2008 20:01 GMT
#129
nobody needs to identify with the FF series. it's typically japanese and designed for their taste, not for ours. if you are able to enjoy it though you come from a different background, good, you will be rewarded. if you are so fixated on western games and find jrpgs ridiculous, your problem.

i started with final fantasy 7 which i found absolutely great and still count as my no. 1 gaming experience.
apart from that i've also played western rpgs such as the fallout series, bg, planescape torment which are equally good, but different. dunno where the problem is. you can't compare it as both "genres" i would almost say, stand for different cultures.
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 08 2008 20:28 GMT
#130
On October 08 2008 15:05 Manifesto7 wrote:
I just ordered FF 1 and 2 for the psp I know i can emulate them, but they have updated graphics. Ill let you know how they play when I get it.


Haha I played these last year..

It wasn't that great as the 1st has no characters, (well they do but they don't get developed) and is like the very first rpg made from square company so we see a lot of experimental side of it..

2nd was a lot better and had quite decent story yet still focused more on the gameplay rather than the story or the characters..

Both games were excellent to kill time while I was travelling and like someone mentioned, requires a lot of levelling up lawl..
Why So Serious?!
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-09 20:51:26
October 09 2008 20:50 GMT
#131
Has anyone here played the PSP Version of FF IV?

Oh and is it pretty much like the original? Or did they change some shit up and now it sucks.
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