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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 08 2008 09:43 GMT
#721
it's all <3
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
December 08 2008 10:34 GMT
#722
On December 08 2008 18:39 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Their only losses were to #11 TCU and # 6 Utah, they had victories over UCLA (59-0 btw) and Washington. Yet they remain way behind in the BCS rankings because they didnt have a strong enough schedule?


Pssst, Washington was the undisputed worst team in Div 1-A this year (BYU beat them by 1 point). UCLA and Washington combined for a 4-20 record.

Just thought I'd point that out.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-08 11:01:48
December 08 2008 10:59 GMT
#723
By the way, I am not a big fan of SEC or Big 12. But I have to admit the fact that they have the toughest competition out there, and the two teams emerge at the top from those conferences deserve to play in the national championship. I have lived in west coast all my life, so Pac-10 is my conference. What is the true is true, man. Dropping a game in one of those conferences is by far more impressive than going undefeated in some other conference. Let me say this again: I am not a fan of either conference. However, I abide by the level of competition and what each team deserves.

I don't know where you get the impression that I am a Sooners fan (because I am not), but they really deserve to play in the national championship. No, not because Big 12 puts in the most funding, but because they had to through the toughest teams. Therefore, it is fair.

(BCS obviously its flaws, such as the Texas vs Oklahoma case. I never said it was perfect)

Let's talk about BYU as an example. BYU lost to the only good opponents they played - TCU and Utah. They have won against, well, Northern Iowa, UCLA, Washington, Wyoming, Utah State, New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State, San Diego State, and Air Force.

USC lost to Oregon State, but they beat Ohio State, California, and Oregon.
Florida lost to Ole Miss, but they beat Alabama, Georgia, LSU, South Florida, Florida State.

I hate the fact that all football powerhouses are from SEC and Big 12, but I have accepted it. I have accepted the fact that the winners in each conference play against the most competition in the most fierce atmospheres. I think you should too

BCS creates more weekly intensity and drama. I don't see how you can possibly deny this. Watching all those top 10 teams get upset and #1/#2 teams being replaced every week makes college football what it is. How about seeing an unknown beat a football powerhouse and get a ranking in the BCS? That's awesome as well. Playoff system is bound to take away some of that in the regular season.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
December 08 2008 14:12 GMT
#724
Sucks for Boise State. I was hopeing for a Boise/Oklahoma rematch L) Obviously it wasn't going to happen with OU in the NT game, but having Boise shut out entirely is crap too. Give em a shot. At least Utah is facing a good team. Last time they went to a BCS bowl they got a relative chump in 20th ranked Pittsburgh. This year they can at least have a chance at proving themselves and making a case for a playoff. If (if) they should roll Alabama more convincingly than Florida did that would have to raise questions.

Anyway, I'm still bitter about the year BYU went 14-1 beating Texas A&M along the way but got sent to the Cotton Bowl (where they beat Kansas State and became the first 15 win team in college football history). That season was the reason the BCS made the rule that the top non-BCS team (if ranked 12 or higher) got an auto-bid, which I was happy enough to see Utah take advantage of several years later. They may be rivals, but I'm happy to see someone represent the conference. Maybe this year with Boise getting cold shouldered they'll change the rule to allow more than one non-BCS team. I mean it's not like Boise didn't act like they belonged last time
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 08 2008 15:55 GMT
#725
The biggest problem with Spiral's argument is that the nation doesn't want to see new teams in the big games. The people behind the BCS do it for the money, and they get the most money when the fans are the most excited. The fans get the most excited for the Big12, SEC, Big10 and USC. It's really simple math. College football is willing to make whatever system will get those teams to play each other at the end of the year.

Remember Kansas last year? Nobody watched that shit. It was a good story, but nobody watched it.
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
December 08 2008 16:59 GMT
#726
On December 08 2008 19:59 OneOther wrote:
By the way, I am not a big fan of SEC or Big 12. But I have to admit the fact that they have the toughest competition out there, and the two teams emerge at the top from those conferences deserve to play in the national championship. I have lived in west coast all my life, so Pac-10 is my conference. What is the true is true, man. Dropping a game in one of those conferences is by far more impressive than going undefeated in some other conference. Let me say this again: I am not a fan of either conference. However, I abide by the level of competition and what each team deserves.

I don't know where you get the impression that I am a Sooners fan (because I am not), but they really deserve to play in the national championship. No, not because Big 12 puts in the most funding, but because they had to through the toughest teams. Therefore, it is fair.

(BCS obviously its flaws, such as the Texas vs Oklahoma case. I never said it was perfect)

Let's talk about BYU as an example. BYU lost to the only good opponents they played - TCU and Utah. They have won against, well, Northern Iowa, UCLA, Washington, Wyoming, Utah State, New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State, San Diego State, and Air Force.

USC lost to Oregon State, but they beat Ohio State, California, and Oregon.
Florida lost to Ole Miss, but they beat Alabama, Georgia, LSU, South Florida, Florida State.

I hate the fact that all football powerhouses are from SEC and Big 12, but I have accepted it. I have accepted the fact that the winners in each conference play against the most competition in the most fierce atmospheres. I think you should too

BCS creates more weekly intensity and drama. I don't see how you can possibly deny this. Watching all those top 10 teams get upset and #1/#2 teams being replaced every week makes college football what it is. How about seeing an unknown beat a football powerhouse and get a ranking in the BCS? That's awesome as well. Playoff system is bound to take away some of that in the regular season.

The biggest difference between us on this issue is you will accept that the BCS is engineered to bring the same teams back every year. I refuse to accept that. BTW I assume you were a Sooners fan since you had shown them support during the season and what not, I should learn to not assume things, it makes an ass out of... me.
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
December 09 2008 20:22 GMT
#727
On December 08 2008 19:34 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2008 18:39 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Their only losses were to #11 TCU and # 6 Utah, they had victories over UCLA (59-0 btw) and Washington. Yet they remain way behind in the BCS rankings because they didnt have a strong enough schedule?


Pssst, Washington was the undisputed worst team in Div 1-A this year (BYU beat them by 1 point). UCLA and Washington combined for a 4-20 record.

Just thought I'd point that out.

UCLA and Washington both started the season ranked higher than BYU and are supposed to be better teams. They are PAC-10 teams and the MWC teams are often judged on how they do against their PAC-10 opponents since the 10 is supposed to be one step up from the MWC.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 09 2008 20:31 GMT
#728
On December 10 2008 05:22 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2008 19:34 ShadowDrgn wrote:
On December 08 2008 18:39 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Their only losses were to #11 TCU and # 6 Utah, they had victories over UCLA (59-0 btw) and Washington. Yet they remain way behind in the BCS rankings because they didnt have a strong enough schedule?


Pssst, Washington was the undisputed worst team in Div 1-A this year (BYU beat them by 1 point). UCLA and Washington combined for a 4-20 record.

Just thought I'd point that out.

UCLA and Washington both started the season ranked higher than BYU and are supposed to be better teams. They are PAC-10 teams and the MWC teams are often judged on how they do against their PAC-10 opponents since the 10 is supposed to be one step up from the MWC.

Is it fair to compare the absolute worst teams in PAC10 with one of the top teams in the MWC?

SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
December 09 2008 21:21 GMT
#729
No. Thats another reason I hate the BCS, those two games gave us more gusto in the standings than any other game we won this season. If we had beat Utah and TCU then things would have been different, but UCLA and Washington gave BYU their standings. Besides UCLA and Washington arent supposed to be the worst teams in the PAC-10, UCLA especially. This also brings up my least favorite part of college football, the unpredictable nature of a teams year to year strength, but I guess at the same time it is one of my favorite parts of college football and probably why I watch NCAA more than the NFL.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 11 2008 14:11 GMT
#730
Wow, I just checked all the bowl games out and what a joke. The BCS ones in particular (the fact that the championship game is probably the most legit of them is a bad sign). So awful.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-11 16:07:29
December 11 2008 16:02 GMT
#731
On December 10 2008 06:21 SpiralArchitect wrote:
No. Thats another reason I hate the BCS, those two games gave us more gusto in the standings than any other game we won this season. If we had beat Utah and TCU then things would have been different, but UCLA and Washington gave BYU their standings. Besides UCLA and Washington arent supposed to be the worst teams in the PAC-10, UCLA especially. This also brings up my least favorite part of college football, the unpredictable nature of a teams year to year strength, but I guess at the same time it is one of my favorite parts of college football and probably why I watch NCAA more than the NFL.

aren't you supposed to a fan of less popular conferences like the pac-10? if so, you should know that washington is the absolute worst team (never won a single game) and ucla is right around there at the bottom. washington/washington state/ucla make the worst teams in the pac-10. what do you mean ucla and washington arent "supposed" to be the worst teams in the pac-10? who cares what's "supposed" to happen. reality is reality - they are two of the worst teams in the entire conference. if BYU put up good results against the good teams in their conference, then they would obviously get more respect. however, they lost to both utah/tcu. how in the world would you expect them to be ranked?

you don't like the changing nature of a team's year to year strength? aren't you being contradictory because you said multiple times that you don't want to see the same teams in the championship and bowl games every year? oh wait, it's also one of your favorite parts, haha. i am glad you said that.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
December 11 2008 17:01 GMT
#732
On December 11 2008 23:11 zer0das wrote:
Wow, I just checked all the bowl games out and what a joke. The BCS ones in particular (the fact that the championship game is probably the most legit of them is a bad sign). So awful.

Eh, fwiw three of the BCS games have the potential to be good. Florida/OU, USC/Penn State, and Texas/Ohio State. Yeah OSU could make it a good game if Pryor goes off.

Real problem is the other bowls. There's only three matchups that look good to me:
TCU/Boise
Okla State/Oregon
Pittsburgh/Oregon State (great RB matchup)
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32091 Posts
December 11 2008 20:22 GMT
#733
Anyone watching ESPN now??

They've got a fucking Congressman from TX who has apparently put something in writing to have the country force them to go to a playoff. WHy the fuck do our elected officials feel the need to waste their time on this shit.
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
December 11 2008 20:48 GMT
#734
I read about that yesterday. The bill would prohibit advertising something as the "national championship" if it was not the result of a playoff.

Whatever, our country is better off when these people are wasting their time. Remember how good the economy was in 1998 when Congress' hands were tied trying to prosecute Bill Clinton?
(half-joking...)
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
December 11 2008 21:56 GMT
#735
On December 12 2008 01:02 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2008 06:21 SpiralArchitect wrote:
No. Thats another reason I hate the BCS, those two games gave us more gusto in the standings than any other game we won this season. If we had beat Utah and TCU then things would have been different, but UCLA and Washington gave BYU their standings. Besides UCLA and Washington arent supposed to be the worst teams in the PAC-10, UCLA especially. This also brings up my least favorite part of college football, the unpredictable nature of a teams year to year strength, but I guess at the same time it is one of my favorite parts of college football and probably why I watch NCAA more than the NFL.

aren't you supposed to a fan of less popular conferences like the pac-10? if so, you should know that washington is the absolute worst team (never won a single game) and ucla is right around there at the bottom. washington/washington state/ucla make the worst teams in the pac-10. what do you mean ucla and washington arent "supposed" to be the worst teams in the pac-10? who cares what's "supposed" to happen. reality is reality - they are two of the worst teams in the entire conference. if BYU put up good results against the good teams in their conference, then they would obviously get more respect. however, they lost to both utah/tcu. how in the world would you expect them to be ranked?

you don't like the changing nature of a team's year to year strength? aren't you being contradictory because you said multiple times that you don't want to see the same teams in the championship and bowl games every year? oh wait, it's also one of your favorite parts, haha. i am glad you said that.

Nono I am not trying to say BYU should be better ranked, sorry I kinda worded that bad. What I meant is that a team like BYU has to win all there games (like Utah has) to even have a chance while teams like Wash and UCLA start the season with a good ranking because the PAC-10 is a more respected conference than MWC. I think BYU is right where they belong after their big losses to TCU and Utah.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
December 11 2008 22:11 GMT
#736
And what is up with the Heisman system, they won't put in QB Harrel from Texas Tech?
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
December 11 2008 22:14 GMT
#737
I know they let the nation vote for the final winner at least I think thats how they do it. Not sure how they decide who gets nominated though.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
December 11 2008 22:46 GMT
#738
The heisman is a joke, Sam Bradford wasnt even mentioned when they lost to texas even though he had 4 td's and 2 ints. It wasnt his fault they lost yet all of a sudden hes out of the running. You could play awesome, but if your team loses its on you which is stupid.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36383 Posts
December 11 2008 22:58 GMT
#739
the BCS is a playoff system, its just a 2-team playoff bracket for the championship. if you were to expand the current BCS playoff bracket to 8, theres a much larger margin of error, we'd have the best team winning the national championship close to 100% of the time
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
December 11 2008 23:10 GMT
#740
On December 12 2008 07:46 Sadist wrote:
The heisman is a joke, Sam Bradford wasnt even mentioned when they lost to texas even though he had 4 td's and 2 ints. It wasnt his fault they lost yet all of a sudden hes out of the running. You could play awesome, but if your team loses its on you which is stupid.

Well he's one of the 3 finalists now. Tebow won it last year despite Florida going 9-3 or something.
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