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paper
13196 Posts
by the time viper reaches level 5, brood will be severely underleveled with no gold and viper can just orb walk him to death any time with two sentries or a gem -_- if you're going a pushing strat, furion is the better choice because he's ranged and won't die w/ tele/sprout . . . | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Basically the problem with brood isn't the invisibility, its the ridiculous timing window she has in a lane. If you make smart decisions and position yourself properly, you can go from a very defensive stance to a very offensive stance as Brood. Her animation is deceptively easy and she gains a lot from just level 1 Web as well as comes with a nuke that spawns creeps. 315 MS (without web buff) and about the same damage as Viper, so she shouldn't be as outlaned a(if at all) as you think she would be. Pretty much she can play semi-defensive until 6 then the lane is more or less even because Viper HAS to sit on his ultimate to stand remotely a chance of living through Brood's ultimate. But no, Viper shouldn't have more than half a level on Brood, most likely they'll be about even all things considered in a lane. Worst comes to worst, Brood farms with the nuke and sends them to rune check or farm forest. And they getting a gem means one of two things, one they know they'll dominate you and your team or two they'll lose it in a gank or team fight because it sets them back farm-wise. Basically BlueRoyal has the idea of how Brood is being played these days, orb walk means shit when the other guy runs a hell of a lot faster than you, harass is mitigated by web's added regen. On top of that, Viper is in a race to 6 to pick up a defensive ultimate. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On September 14 2008 19:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: Great news I think I'm even better at starcraft at least strategically than before although I've played 5 games total in the past 4 months. Yesterday I trashed someone who usually beats me rvr 4-1. !confirm. I play iccup here and there lately and I've noticed I'm a much better [ casual ] player than I was before. DotA actually made me want to think, sc was just mindless. And brood is gay to solo against period. If omni is banned every game [ he is ] for the team fight end of the spectrum, brood is on the other end...meaning she's banned for being a 1v1 gay hero. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
They need to nerf the web in all aspects, no other spell in the game gives MS, invisibility, regen and sight. And no other hero can alternate between two very distinct strategies in a lane at the whim of the player. Pretty much once bkb hits the table on her, its gg unless you have like a Pitlord/Enigma. And when I said Nevermore I meant generally against push strats, if you are laning SF against BM, lane switch unless you can constantly keep her health low so she can't just tower dive you with ulti on. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
I tried to get sentries, but brood was just able to counter them as soon as she knows i can see her. In short, BM is an absolute pain in the arse for SF. I got a bit flamed for "feeding" brood, but in all seriousness, I was useless vs him. Also the fact that he was host, made it easier for him to last hit. Also, Brood IS banned alot now in 6.52e, because he is much more powerful than 6.48. In 6.48 u could just blink away from him, and he could do nothing. Now with no dagger, he is a rape machine. He can own in 1v1, and can rape at pushing with good spiderling micro. | ||
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paper
13196 Posts
just mass clarities and own her with nukes.... | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
Skill builds would be nice too. | ||
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paper
13196 Posts
stats, static, stats, static, stats, static, stats, static, stats | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
On September 15 2008 16:13 paper wrote: midas, battlefury, sange and yasha, butterfly stats, static, stats, static, stats, static, stats, static, stats Quality advice right here. You think I should get vlads as well? | ||
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paper
13196 Posts
lololol i hate item build orders when the MU largely determines what you should be going :\ you should experiment with pers or arcane and get bracers or pt booster for HP then go from there :\ static is useless early chain is shit damage but you can last hit with it bolt is king | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
I usually do get a point booster after a bracer or talisman/boots, then eventually aghanims. I was told getting an aghanims is a very noob thing to do on Zeus by some random. Oh yeah I always get ring of bassilus too, just to help with the spamming. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On September 15 2008 15:59 Krohm wrote: What items do I get on Zeus? I've just recently started using him, and I'm fairly clueless as to where I should start, and go. Skill builds would be nice too. I'm sure others could give better advice, but for a novice level zeus, I would just rush to an aghanim with a refresher / boots of travel after. It would be much easier than going arcane ring first, into other advanced builds because of the lack of early hp. If your a low hp zeus and if you're just starting to use him, people will prey on you like no tomoroow and take away any early game advantage you might have as such a strong caster. | ||
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