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BlueRoyaL
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paper
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it's been proveded!1 | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Judicator
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On April 03 2008 10:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: can you guys post some classic vigoss/maelkk gosu replays? ....Is doing your own search that difficult? dota-allstars.com under their competitive dota section mymym.com the ggc website covers asian scene better that the previous 2 | ||
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Naib
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zulu_nation8
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zulu_nation8
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Also, I've been seeing a lot of qops getting preserverance and skipping bottle. I've tried it and don't really like it cuz in battles i feel like you just need the bottle's quick regen for a lot of things. What do you guys think about this? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
You don't go into negative gold, which is why jungling Centaurs (and pre-6 heroes) can just buy and die early on as long as they bought before on the chicken, it saves more time than going back and theres no absolutely no loss. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
the thing is i like to stay laned with qop for a while and i dont start mad ganking until a bit later when i get my guinsoo, not saying i totally neglect ganking early game. if i grab a useful rune of course i'll make use of it. for my style i think pers is more useful, the health regen is an obvious help and the mana regen lets me use scream whenever i need (i usually only use it when i can kill 2-3 creeps with it and at the same time hit the enemy hero) i dont play qop that often honestly and im sure my qop build would be subject to change if i started playing her a lot more often in higher level games =S | ||
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zulu_nation8
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zulu_nation8
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 04 2008 04:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: this one good dude says he gets pers if he can farm 1800 really fast for lane domination purposes and i find that tip really useful, if i can farm 1800 by say 8-9 minutes i get a pers and stay in lane. Hes playing against idiots then. 1800 in 8-9 mins means you are doing very well, think 3600 in 18 mins and you'll see the standard for fast relics. Pers is a shit item, you are better off going for bottle + Point/Nulls than Pers, hell you are better off saving for the ulti orb. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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zulu_nation8
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On April 04 2008 04:49 Judicator wrote: Hes playing against idiots then. 1800 in 8-9 mins means you are doing very well, think 3600 in 18 mins and you'll see the standard for fast relics. Pers is a shit item, you are better off going for bottle + Point/Nulls than Pers, hell you are better off saving for the ulti orb. what about the mana recovery, since no one gets euls now qop cant get mana recovery boost until she gets an ultimate orb and its not a really big boost | ||
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!BigBlind!
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You lose 30gold*YourLevel, what you gain is based on their level/streak. Hood -> Guinsoo is the classic JollyJoker qop build, it has been viable for some time now, however nulls or a point booster are more popular. | ||
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Heen
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paper
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zulu_nation8
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Seriously, on most intelli heroes you need mana regen as a primary objective, there are some exceptions but QoP isn't one of them. Bottle works as a mana-regen item IF you have good map control and thus get most runes. But you HAVE to get runes, you can't go back to your fountain every time you need hp/mana, and you're not able to farm with scream as much as you could with Void stone. I used to go guinsoo first before they changed it, because it had the Eul in it, and it was fun. Now I like to start with Lynken because 20 sec cd is awesome vs stunners. I never went hod on her, if a team wastes all the good spells to kill your qop before she blinks out then the rest of your team should be able to take them. Anyway, my point is that bottle only works if you're the one collecting runes. And intelli heroes with no mana regen are crap mid game, when they should be most powerful. Besides, bottle/nulls are items that you'll have to sell later on. Which means you're probably better off skipping them if you manage to do your part without them. And while that crap-item Void Stone/Perseverance goes into making better items like Guinsoo, Orchid, Lynken, your nulls will go into taking up space in your inventory. ...or you could just go skadi like most noobs and be done with it. | ||
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