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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 19:46:45
March 09 2009 19:46 GMT
#2741
2. Joystick buttons > gamepad buttons:
- Every joystick button except mk is literally at your fingertips.
- You can press them almost instantly, unlike a pad where you would have to move your thumb or finger to the button first.
- You can "drum" or "piano" them, which is impossible on a pad.
- You can tap a single button repeatedly with two fingers, which is impossible on a pad.
- You can do "kara-cancel" moves more easily, since it's easier to time your joystick button presses than trying to coordinate your thumb and index finger in the same way.


On a side note...I'm not sure about high-level pad players of fighting games, but it turns out high-level pad players for 1p games (e.g. MegaMan) all use different and unusual right hand placements (i.e. not gripping the pad by the handle). These allow them to mash different buttons faster, have access to all the face buttons better, and hit start or select at ease as well. In other words, they could do the kind of things you quoted above on pad. It's different depending on the game and the player though. Or this is at least what my bro told me. He's an admin for SpeedDemosArchive and has met many of the regular contributors in person.

Of course, instead of (ab)using the pad with claw grips and other contortions, you can play the normal way on stick.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
March 09 2009 20:21 GMT
#2742
been using pad since SNES sf2. so yea i kind of refuse/suck at using stick. but generally even i agree stick is better
Forever Young
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 09 2009 20:24 GMT
#2743
On March 10 2009 04:46 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Joystick buttons > gamepad buttons:
- Every joystick button except mk is literally at your fingertips.
- You can press them almost instantly, unlike a pad where you would have to move your thumb or finger to the button first.
- You can "drum" or "piano" them, which is impossible on a pad.
- You can tap a single button repeatedly with two fingers, which is impossible on a pad.
- You can do "kara-cancel" moves more easily, since it's easier to time your joystick button presses than trying to coordinate your thumb and index finger in the same way.


On a side note...I'm not sure about high-level pad players of fighting games, but it turns out high-level pad players for 1p games (e.g. MegaMan) all use different and unusual right hand placements (i.e. not gripping the pad by the handle). These allow them to mash different buttons faster, have access to all the face buttons better, and hit start or select at ease as well. In other words, they could do the kind of things you quoted above on pad. It's different depending on the game and the player though. Or this is at least what my bro told me. He's an admin for SpeedDemosArchive and has met many of the regular contributors in person.

Of course, instead of (ab)using the pad with claw grips and other contortions, you can play the normal way on stick.


yeah this is true
one of my friends plays tekken competitively and he uses pad

his right hand doesn't really grab the pad, he just holds his hand over the pad, and uses index and middle fingers to drum on the buttons.
And all is illuminated.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 22:26:08
March 09 2009 22:25 GMT
#2744
On March 10 2009 00:21 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 22:45 pachi wrote:
tekken tv makes tekken cooler than sfiv by so much.


?


TV in the arcade that shows an update ticker for player stats / match replays / arcade rankings (solo and team) with a faux news theme. (Apparently availiable in only Japan and Korea)
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
March 10 2009 01:45 GMT
#2745
this isnt a video, just a question about nostalgia

friend of mine selling me an MVS arcade system fully functional for less than 200bucks with 2 games (i dont like them very much, but im not being picky.. KOF 98 & 2002) would you buy it?
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
March 10 2009 01:47 GMT
#2746
If someone was selling me KOF 98 & 2002 and I lived in Mexico, yes, I'd buy it. 98 is big over there. :o
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
March 10 2009 01:50 GMT
#2747
Old SNK stuff is very rare, and you could probably sell it for more than 200.
the courage to be a lazy bum
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 01:59:00
March 10 2009 01:53 GMT
#2748
i know kof 98 its big over here.. i just prefer garou or last blade =P, ill just have my cabinet for nostalgic issues.. mayb ill set it up at my roomie cafe for free challenges

Also looks like the cabinet itself needs some mods.. while i can stand IL or HAPP joysticks i CANT stand HAPP buttons..

Also, my Hori EX died.. now its time to make her better.. anyone with previous experience modding it? want to insert a JLF and 6 sanwas.. im kinda sad because my GF gave it to me (its a DOA stick) but i guess kokoro should rest in peace
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
March 10 2009 02:33 GMT
#2749
On March 10 2009 10:53 zXk3 wrote:
i know kof 98 its big over here.. i just prefer garou or last blade =P, ill just have my cabinet for nostalgic issues.. mayb ill set it up at my roomie cafe for free challenges

Also looks like the cabinet itself needs some mods.. while i can stand IL or HAPP joysticks i CANT stand HAPP buttons..

Also, my Hori EX died.. now its time to make her better.. anyone with previous experience modding it? want to insert a JLF and 6 sanwas.. im kinda sad because my GF gave it to me (its a DOA stick) but i guess kokoro should rest in peace


Modding a Hori EX and keeping the old PCB in it's a huge hassle since the thing's so thin. If you want to replace it with a Playstation Dualshock PCB then it makes things a lot easier. Also switching out the stick is really tough too since there's such little clearance. If you have a dremel or are patient with a model saw then it's doable, but you gotta cut off a lot of material to fit the stick. To stick in the buttons, there's this little tabs that jut into the hole that you have to file/grind off in order to fit in the buttons.

It's completely doable, but it takes a lot of time and effort (especially if you don't have a dremel).
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 10 2009 02:44 GMT
#2750
From 1up preview of BB which has snippets of an interview with Mori of ASW, source (bold added):

We now expect fighting games to have a strong online matchmaking system able to deliver consistent matches without game-marring lag. As a designer and a player, Mori-san agrees. "When you play a fighting game, you're fighting on a level of one or two frames. Any amount of lag will change the game -- and it won't be the same game." Super Street Fighter 2 HD Remix proved matches can be played in optimal conditions thanks to its outstanding netcode by Backbone and Tony Cannon of the online matching making service, GPPO. Can BlazBlue offer the same "lag-free" experience? For now, Mori-san can't commit to any promises, but is proactively looking into ways to bring the arcade experience as close as possible. "There's a lot of tug of war between GGPO and its use," says Mori-san. What he can promise are other online features, including the ability to record matches, match lobbies of up to six players, leaderboards, and rankings. You'll get your chance to play BlazBlue, in a tournament like EVO or battles fought online, in summer 2009 on Xbox 360 or PS3.
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
March 10 2009 02:50 GMT
#2751
Oh god, GGPO on ANY game would be awesome. Shit, if there was a Barbie vs. Cabbage Patch Kids fighting game with GGPO, I would be on that so fast. Being able to save Replays online and etc. would be really nice too.

Btw, I cancelled my order on a 360 TE Stick with a Cthulhu board, so hopefully that makes someone out there happy. I already have customs anyways, so there's no need to spend 200+ bucks on another stick. Gonna spend the money on some music gear.
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
March 10 2009 13:03 GMT
#2752
Bill: Can you update the OP to add this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/Min0ra

as it says, "Dedicated to Street Fighter IV Vids"
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
March 10 2009 17:33 GMT
#2753
On March 10 2009 11:33 Scooter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2009 10:53 zXk3 wrote:
i know kof 98 its big over here.. i just prefer garou or last blade =P, ill just have my cabinet for nostalgic issues.. mayb ill set it up at my roomie cafe for free challenges

Also looks like the cabinet itself needs some mods.. while i can stand IL or HAPP joysticks i CANT stand HAPP buttons..

Also, my Hori EX died.. now its time to make her better.. anyone with previous experience modding it? want to insert a JLF and 6 sanwas.. im kinda sad because my GF gave it to me (its a DOA stick) but i guess kokoro should rest in peace


Modding a Hori EX and keeping the old PCB in it's a huge hassle since the thing's so thin. If you want to replace it with a Playstation Dualshock PCB then it makes things a lot easier. Also switching out the stick is really tough too since there's such little clearance. If you have a dremel or are patient with a model saw then it's doable, but you gotta cut off a lot of material to fit the stick. To stick in the buttons, there's this little tabs that jut into the hole that you have to file/grind off in order to fit in the buttons.

It's completely doable, but it takes a lot of time and effort (especially if you don't have a dremel).

putting a psx pcb doesnt make it work on 360 omg omggggggggg

also update, couldn't sleep played random kids at about 7am. played mostly BISONS!?!?
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
Ginseng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States268 Posts
March 11 2009 20:10 GMT
#2754
Anybody up for a couple SF4 matches on PSN right now? PM me on TL first so I can turn on the ps3.
PSN: KiwiTeawi
Contact me via the following: Twitter: @notginseng | Discord: Ginseng#9638
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
March 11 2009 20:22 GMT
#2755
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
March 11 2009 22:28 GMT
#2756
On March 10 2009 22:03 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Bill: Can you update the OP to add this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/Min0ra

as it says, "Dedicated to Street Fighter IV Vids"


That nigga got vids for days.
Twitter: @KingKosi
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
March 12 2009 08:13 GMT
#2757
You guys gotta watch that vid imfo
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
March 12 2009 08:28 GMT
#2758
what the hell is that haha
Ginseng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States268 Posts
March 12 2009 08:30 GMT
#2759
Wow, I don't really know what to say about that video haha
Contact me via the following: Twitter: @notginseng | Discord: Ginseng#9638
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
March 12 2009 08:40 GMT
#2760
Do you not see, the obvious high level play. Shuriken, crossup, omg so good
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
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