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SayaSP
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On March 09 2009 14:20 ManaBlue wrote: SF4 is fun as hell. Just bought it for my brother for his birthday and it's so good I'm thinking about buying a PS3.  Welcome to the  | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
On March 09 2009 14:20 ManaBlue wrote: SF4 is fun as hell. Just bought it for my brother for his birthday and it's so good I'm thinking about buying a PS3. you're in trouble haha | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On March 09 2009 14:20 ManaBlue wrote: SF4 is fun as hell. Just bought it for my brother for his birthday and it's so good I'm thinking about buying a PS3. wait til you get a joystick, it will be even more fun | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
 , I'm finding around that level it's easier against shotos than zangief and sagat :O. No idea when english people get joysticks . | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
On March 09 2009 22:45 pachi wrote: tekken tv makes tekken cooler than sfiv by so much. ? | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
A friend of mine recently acquired SFIV and we are currently trying to succeed in the online ladder mode but we suppose that an arcade stick would really improve our results, so... as I guess you're all experts on that field that you could give us a few quick hints what we could get in the price category up to ~150$ (but mark we're not really able to mod it any further.. so maybe you know something which is solid quality but not for the "ultra pros"). Any help would be appreciated, or maybe direct us to a site where we could inform ourselves what serves our needs. Thanks! | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Like I've said before I'm newb to fighting but honestly the PS3 controller is good for me. I don't believe if I bought a stick my execution would improve vastly. If I did buy a stick without modding it, would it be shittier than mah gosu D-pad skillz? Why does pad suck so terribly? I tried to kara cancel with ken and I deemed it impossible because I was too shitty not cause the layout of PS3 controller. What makes a real joystick better than PS3 Joystick? I have a beastly thumb if I wanted to switch to ps3 joystick. I just dont really get it and I feel it would only help people who are actually good enough to do crazy shit, I don't think I could do any crazy shit regardless. Someone gimme insight | ||
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Ginseng
United States268 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/dejeuner0/akumaflowchart.png) I actually do this vs scrubs online lolol...merely because I'm too afraid to attempt my standard play/mind games vs them, since they don't think haha Regarding stick purchases, you're better off modding one on your own, but when it comes to prebuilts, all of them pretty much suck imo. Although my TE stick SHOULD be coming in soon...(lol yea right...).\ Edit: Should have worded it better, I personally think any prebuilt stick on the lower end (under 100) are eh from personal experience. However, those lower-end prebuilts will probably satisfy the needs of most people. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:19 MiniRoman wrote: Will people who played on sticks give me the low-down on wtf is up with them? Like I've said before I'm newb to fighting but honestly the PS3 controller is good for me. I don't believe if I bought a stick my execution would improve vastly. If I did buy a stick without modding it, would it be shittier than mah gosu D-pad skillz? Why does pad suck so terribly? I tried to kara cancel with ken and I deemed it impossible because I was too shitty not cause the layout of PS3 controller. What makes a real joystick better than PS3 Joystick? I have a beastly thumb if I wanted to switch to ps3 joystick. I just dont really get it and I feel it would only help people who are actually good enough to do crazy shit, I don't think I could do any crazy shit regardless. Someone gimme insight Well I'm a huge newb but I still noticed a big difference when I went from pad to stick. For example I could never get 1632143C to work consistently on a pad but when I tried it with an arcade stick I had it working every time. Basically using your whole hand is a lot more precise and faster than just your thumb (once you get use to it). Just pressing two buttons simultaneously on a pad was hard for me (though you could bind stuff to the shoulder buttons). Stick is obviously much faster since you rely on more than just your right thumb. But I've only owned one stick so I'll wait for someone else to give a better answer. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:19 MiniRoman wrote: Will people who played on sticks give me the low-down on wtf is up with them? Like I've said before I'm newb to fighting but honestly the PS3 controller is good for me. I don't believe if I bought a stick my execution would improve vastly. If I did buy a stick without modding it, would it be shittier than mah gosu D-pad skillz? Why does pad suck so terribly? I tried to kara cancel with ken and I deemed it impossible because I was too shitty not cause the layout of PS3 controller. What makes a real joystick better than PS3 Joystick? I have a beastly thumb if I wanted to switch to ps3 joystick. I just dont really get it and I feel it would only help people who are actually good enough to do crazy shit, I don't think I could do any crazy shit regardless. Someone gimme insight It's a total "you have to try it" kind of thing. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:46 HamerD wrote: So I would imagine people only piano moves that are specials right? They also double tap buttons for links, and then theres mashing out of stun thats always fun. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:03 Ghardo wrote: Heyho guys A friend of mine recently acquired SFIV and we are currently trying to succeed in the online ladder mode but we suppose that an arcade stick would really improve our results, so... as I guess you're all experts on that field that you could give us a few quick hints what we could get in the price category up to ~150$ (but mark we're not really able to mod it any further.. so maybe you know something which is solid quality but not for the "ultra pros"). Any help would be appreciated, or maybe direct us to a site where we could inform ourselves what serves our needs. Thanks! I'd recommend getting an HRAP of some type. It has a Sanwa stick so you are good to go on that, cheaper and easier to get than a Madcatz(100 for PS3 version, 130 for Xbox)... If you get REALLY serious you can change the button but for most folks they are not a big deal, im pretty decent and ive been using stock on my hraps for 6 months. And really its just nice to start with a good product. I think its great that there are low end solutions but if you are seriously gonna be putting in a lot of hours might as well get something that will last, and if you ever find it breaking or whatever replacing parts is simple and cheap(buttons are 1.50-3 bucks a piece and sticks run about 15). Sorta related: My semitsu sticks and buttons should be here this week woot! Though lately im not having as much fun on SF4. It seems like i just lose to every gief and sagat by inches and its so hard for me to really get in someones face and play a footsie game with lag. Started playing C.Viper only on ladder and fell like 1k bp lol | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:38 Ginseng wrote: Regarding stick purchases, you're better off modding one on your own, but when it comes to prebuilts, all of them pretty much suck imo. So you are implying that a prebuilt stick with all-Sanwa parts sucks? Even if you prefer Seimitsu parts, you are implying that every SF4 arcade machine sucks, because they all use Sanwa parts. That is ludicrous. The TE ($150) is all-Sanwa parts. The HRAP SA/SE version joysticks ($150 or $160 iirc) are all-Sanwa parts. You can get custom-built sticks that are all-Sanwa parts. Then there are the $100-$130 HRAPs that have a Sanwa joystick and Hori's best buttons. A number of people use these without replacing the buttons, even very good players. Even the $80 Hori T5 stick (that looks like an HRAP but isn't), with a Hori joystick and lower-quality Hori buttons, should be more than adequate for any casual player. I have personally played with one before and imo the difference compared to an all-Sanwa stick isn't very big -- although the parts will die faster over time than Sanwa parts, so after a couple of years the difference may get pretty big. Edit: On March 10 2009 01:03 Ghardo wrote: A friend of mine recently acquired SFIV and we are currently trying to succeed in the online ladder mode but we suppose that an arcade stick would really improve our results, so... as I guess you're all experts on that field that you could give us a few quick hints what we could get in the price category up to ~150$ (but mark we're not really able to mod it any further.. so maybe you know something which is solid quality but not for the "ultra pros"). Any help would be appreciated, or maybe direct us to a site where we could inform ourselves what serves our needs. Thanks! I suggest getting a $100-$130 HRAP/HRAP2/HRAP3. Do not get an HRAP that is branded for any particular game! These are a LOT harder to mod than the generic ones. These sticks come with a Sanwa stick and Hori buttons, which should work very well for you. And if you ever need to replace the buttons (e.g. if they start failing after several years), I have seen one of my friends doing it and it looks very easy. Literally all you have to do is: 1. order buttons online 2. unscrew HRAP 3. pull off quick disconnects with pliers (not possible with a branded HRAP, fyi) 4. snap-out old buttons 5. snap-in new buttons 6. push in quick disconnects 7. screw HRAP back together | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On a side note, my Sanwa parts shipped today! I refused to play SF4 on pad (because of no real prior experience doing fighting game motions on pad and no reason to learn), and my Madcatz SE stick was defective out of box, so hopefully I'll be opening SF4 for the first time this week lol. Too bad I'm busy this week. -_-;; | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On March 10 2009 01:19 MiniRoman wrote: Will people who played on sticks give me the low-down on wtf is up with them? Like I've said before I'm newb to fighting but honestly the PS3 controller is good for me. I don't believe if I bought a stick my execution would improve vastly. If I did buy a stick without modding it, would it be shittier than mah gosu D-pad skillz? Why does pad suck so terribly? I tried to kara cancel with ken and I deemed it impossible because I was too shitty not cause the layout of PS3 controller. What makes a real joystick better than PS3 Joystick? I have a beastly thumb if I wanted to switch to ps3 joystick. I just dont really get it and I feel it would only help people who are actually good enough to do crazy shit, I don't think I could do any crazy shit regardless. Someone gimme insight IMO almost everyone will benefit from a stick once they have learned how to use it. Reasons: 1. Real joystick > thumbstick or dpad. A thumbstick or dpad is controlled with your thumb muscles alone. An actual joystick is controlled with your forearm, your wrist, and multiple fingers/thumb. It is an anatomical fact that the different muscles being used makes a joystick superior in every way: you can move it faster, with better accuracy, and better consistency than a thumbstick. Even the time it will take you to learn to use it will be lower. 2. Joystick buttons > gamepad buttons: - Every joystick button except mk is literally at your fingertips. - You can press them almost instantly, unlike a pad where you would have to move your thumb or finger to the button first. - You can "drum" or "piano" them, which is impossible on a pad. - You can tap a single button repeatedly with two fingers, which is impossible on a pad. - You can do "kara-cancel" moves more easily, since it's easier to time your joystick button presses than trying to coordinate your thumb and index finger in the same way. The only disadvantage is that, in tournaments, you are not allowed to map multiple joystick buttons to a single button, whereas on a pad you are often allowed to do this (I think?). As a result, Ultras can be more difficult since you have to press 3 buttons simultaneously rather than just a single button. I assume they allow you to map a single pad button to multiple buttons, otherwise doing Ultras will be practically impossible. 3. Your hands waste energy holding a pad in-place. A sufficiently-heavy joystick, especially if it is resting on a sturdy table, frees your hands completely from this job, allowing you to focus them solely on the game. 4. After introducing a number of people here in Waterloo to fighting games, every single one greatly prefers a joystick to a gamepad, even though none of them have ever used a joystick before. Like I said above, they can learn to execute special moves much more easily with a real joystick than with a thumbstick or dpad. One guy came over to my house who'd played street fighter on a pad in the past, but he could never get dragon punches to come out. Trying to do dragon punches with my stick in training mode, it took him literally 10 minutes before he was doing them consistently. Now I don't know how much time and effort he spent trying to do DPs on a pad, but the fact that he was doing them consistently on a stick in such a short period of time, to me it confirms that a stick really is easier to learn. The only people who prefer a pad are the ones who have been playing fighting games on pad already for a long time. But I know at least one who has switched to stick after trying mine. Furthermore, most very good pad users I've talked to agree that they should learn to use a stick (if they haven't already), because they'll do better with one. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
How they are played on a pad is an afterthought. | ||
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SayaSP
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