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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
December 29 2009 20:37 GMT
#13861
I've read those guides, but thank you anyways. I was looking for a more descriptive guide for getting items for characters and play styles. I am also not too good at activating items for/in battle, so those aren't very useful to me.
I don't think that I've perfected the right chase/run time after a battle, so G marchers are better for me I think, unless I get E parasite. I didn't notice parasite weakens you so much, i guess in noob games no one focus fires enough. It is great for farming and regaining health or escaping/chasing though, it basically gets me back the $$, just later on.
My normal item build is 2 sets of runes, and either PS stuff or one of the ring/bracelet/talisman (i like to random, I still need to play all of the characters). Then I go into GM or steam B, then I just get the best items out of the recommended list. For dps characters wingbow/charged hammer if i can, hammer first normally. Sometimes Geometers Bane or K. sheepstick, but I am not good at activating them at the right time.
How about A. shroud, that seems to help squishys in nooby games, not many people buy eyes. I've played with my friend who is better, in non em and higher psr games, and I can manage to not die much, I just cant help much in team fights unless the character i chose doesn't require me to be in the middle of the fights, I like to stay on the edge and go 0-0-1 rather than1-1-2 in the battles. I guess this just takes experience to know when you need to get out, but I don't make a good tank or carry.
I also need to learn how to initiate team battles - do you stun first, or do certain characters skills make them, or tanks like legionaire port key, or does it depend on the other team too, and items... I guess this just comes from experience, nvm
I've never played DotA, an about 130 games of HoN, but I haven't played all of the characters. I have played a lot of {pebbles, moon queen, chronos, andromeda}
PSR currently 1297, 59-71,
K / D / A: 2.4/5.4/6.1, or .4/1
so not very good.
Thanks again
I can already see the ending
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
December 29 2009 20:44 GMT
#13862
Yo, alven, vanguard is bad.

Discuss.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 29 2009 23:22 GMT
#13863
vanguard is for pussies screw defense, bkb and super high attack ftw.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
December 30 2009 02:54 GMT
#13864
On December 30 2009 05:37 DCLXVI wrote:
I didn't notice parasite weakens you so much, i guess in noob games no one focus fires enough. It is great for farming and regaining health or escaping/chasing though, it basically gets me back the $$, just later on.

How about A. shroud, that seems to help squishys in nooby games, not many people buy eyes. I've played with my friend who is better, in non em and higher psr games, and I can manage to not die much, I just cant help much in team fights unless the character i chose doesn't require me to be in the middle of the fights, I like to stay on the edge and go 0-0-1 rather than1-1-2 in the battles. I guess this just takes experience to know when you need to get out, but I don't make a good tank or carry.

I also need to learn how to initiate team battles - do you stun first, or do certain characters skills make them, or tanks like legionaire port key, or does it depend on the other team too, and items...


1. With EP you die a lot faster in teamfights too, you don't have to be focus-fired, usually the team will bring some (or a shitton of) AoE damage and you're fucked if you activate EP then.
@ Crucifix: EP sucks on pred big time. He has horrible statgain (not enough hp) and he doesn't really need lifesteal. Getting +str/+dmg items for him is a priority, tanking gear comes next.

2. Shroud isn't very much useful because for the cash you spent on it (or similar cash) you can usually get better items (Nullifier blade for example) which give you more options and often add some form of a buff/debuff to your attack.

Let's compare the two items I mentioned:

Assassin's Shroud - costs 3400 total, gives you +10ias, +38dmg and stealth (which costs mana).

Nullifier Blade - costs 3300 total (basic, you can upgrade it later), gives you +22agi, +6int, 20pts mana combustion and purge on activation (limited number of uses, resets with upgrade).

So for a typical agi hero, NB gives you +22ias, +22/+37dmg (dmg from mc included if enemy has mana) and a double disable (mana drain = no more casting and purge = no more buffs/debuffs + slow, you can even remove jera's anti-magic shield with that). Increased agi and int will also improve your armour, mana points and mana regen rate.

As you can see, for 100 gold less, you get much more (in terms of dmg/versatility, you lose a portion of survivability provided by stealth) and you should always remember that items that give you +stats are usually better than +plain dmg/hp/mp etc.

3. To initiate fights you most likely need an initiator-type hero (Andromeda, Legionnaire, Kraken, Tempest, Chronos etc. basically any hero who can get to enemy fast and disable/disrupt them).

Hope it helps.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
December 30 2009 02:55 GMT
#13865
On December 30 2009 05:44 L wrote:
Yo, alven, vanguard is bad.

Discuss.



vanguard on sand wraith is good mmk?
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 30 2009 03:11 GMT
#13866
vangaurd is only good if you can get it quick in game them you can rule laning and neural creeps.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
December 30 2009 03:18 GMT
#13867
Its good on carry heroes with no escape mechanisms.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 30 2009 03:42 GMT
#13868
wow i just played a game where blue was playing nyphoria and was greifing by tping us to their base while one guy just alwyas killed us really stupid

on another note whats the build for zephyr
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
December 30 2009 03:50 GMT
#13869
it's 'nullfire blade', not 'nullifier blade'. thought you made a typo until i saw you make the same mistake twice ;p

sorry, pet peeve of mine.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 03:57:52
December 30 2009 03:56 GMT
#13870
On December 30 2009 12:50 TheMusiC wrote:
it's 'nullfire blade', not 'nullifier blade'. thought you made a typo until i saw you make the same mistake twice ;p

sorry, pet peeve of mine.


Ahh, true. I never really took a close look at the name. Thought it was Nullifier because of nullifying buffs/debuffs, mana void etc. etc.
/dev/null

Edit: And imo vanguard sucks on spectre/sandwraith. You want to dissipate as much dmg as possible, not reducing it. Heart is the way to go.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 05:17:52
December 30 2009 05:13 GMT
#13871
On December 30 2009 12:56 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 12:50 TheMusiC wrote:
it's 'nullfire blade', not 'nullifier blade'. thought you made a typo until i saw you make the same mistake twice ;p

sorry, pet peeve of mine.


Ahh, true. I never really took a close look at the name. Thought it was Nullifier because of nullifying buffs/debuffs, mana void etc. etc.
/dev/null

Edit: And imo vanguard sucks on spectre/sandwraith. You want to dissipate as much dmg as possible, not reducing it. Heart is the way to go.


It's gotten for the cheap health and regen. Heart is expensive and doesn't give AGI regen (they get damage from it). The damage reduction is kinda incidental on wraith, but still beneficial (gives you more autoattacks and more tics with Mock later on).

If you got vanguard for the damage reduction, Iron Shield would be an obvious alternative on Wraith...but the reduction isn't as important as the regen and health, which is why you don't see Iron Shield wraiths.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
December 30 2009 05:21 GMT
#13872
On December 30 2009 14:13 Tadzio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 12:56 Manit0u wrote:
On December 30 2009 12:50 TheMusiC wrote:
it's 'nullfire blade', not 'nullifier blade'. thought you made a typo until i saw you make the same mistake twice ;p

sorry, pet peeve of mine.


Ahh, true. I never really took a close look at the name. Thought it was Nullifier because of nullifying buffs/debuffs, mana void etc. etc.
/dev/null

Edit: And imo vanguard sucks on spectre/sandwraith. You want to dissipate as much dmg as possible, not reducing it. Heart is the way to go.


It's gotten for the cheap health and regen. Heart is expensive and doesn't give AGI regen (they get damage from it).


What? It gives you +str (hp + regen), +hp (more regen from heart). Doesn't give you dmg but increases your survivability quite significantly (+965hp and 7hp/sec regen just from the item).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
December 30 2009 06:01 GMT
#13873
He's saying that STR heroes get the .75% hp regen per second while AGI heroes get +10% all damage.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 30 2009 06:14 GMT
#13874
and what int heros get a novel 10% cooldown reduction
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 06:27:43
December 30 2009 06:27 GMT
#13875
On December 30 2009 14:21 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 14:13 Tadzio wrote:
On December 30 2009 12:56 Manit0u wrote:
On December 30 2009 12:50 TheMusiC wrote:
it's 'nullfire blade', not 'nullifier blade'. thought you made a typo until i saw you make the same mistake twice ;p

sorry, pet peeve of mine.


Ahh, true. I never really took a close look at the name. Thought it was Nullifier because of nullifying buffs/debuffs, mana void etc. etc.
/dev/null

Edit: And imo vanguard sucks on spectre/sandwraith. You want to dissipate as much dmg as possible, not reducing it. Heart is the way to go.


It's gotten for the cheap health and regen. Heart is expensive and doesn't give AGI regen (they get damage from it).


What? It gives you +str (hp + regen), +hp (more regen from heart). Doesn't give you dmg but increases your survivability quite significantly (+965hp and 7hp/sec regen just from the item).



since dispersion is based on hp loss, vang is good for sand wraith because it calculates after all other armor calculation. It might make dispersion do overall less per hit, but sand wraith will be alive that much longer and do more damage in the long run.

Heart is too expensive to get before any other damage items, where as vanguard can be gotten early to sustain you through the early game ganks/team fights and into a strong mid-late game.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
December 30 2009 08:32 GMT
#13876
Hon needs to fix its fucking graphic bugs asdandgainagiognaioagmnsgkom
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 08:58:29
December 30 2009 08:57 GMT
#13877
Steam Boots -> Radiance -> Vanguard
Vanguard -> Boots -> Radiance -> Steam boots
After this you may go for heart, but the game is probably already won anyway.
"Why vanguard"
Because I play in much better games and vanguard is a much better item. stfu and get it even in a shitty pub where you might not need it. Like srsly you often farm the jungle too after radiance especially seeing as you can pull 2 / 3 camps at once with rad depending where you are. And it's just fucking nice to be able to farm while not losing any hp and being able to help your team. Ok?
So I don't wanna hear anymore of this vanguard hate.

Anyway Sand Wraith is the most fucking imbalanced hero in the entire game by leaps and bounds.

I heard of this dumb mother fucker who told me to get a hood on axe in the jungle once. Worst fucking decision of my life. Vanguard is a good item.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 30 2009 09:07 GMT
#13878
but the hood says you're a hoodlum don't f with me yo.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
December 30 2009 09:08 GMT
#13879
I remember when you tried the "hood jungle axe". Died to creeps....
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 09:22:44
December 30 2009 09:19 GMT
#13880
ursa camps > testie's axe
also, ranged creeps > testie's culling blade

and yeah, i always get vg on spectre. usually i just go boots/vg/radiance unless im farming well then ill get rad first (usually not worth it because you'll have your rad and like sub 1k hp, lol)

i go boots -> vg -> rad -> treads
treads after vg if you're farming shitty
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