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On December 28 2008 02:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 14:45 JeeJee wrote:
meh. i didn't freak out or get mad. i just copy pasted the same thing over and over again since bly didn't seem to get it. feel free to respect my opinion, but i won't respect yours because it's wrong; the only reason you're defending tinker's decision is because he's your friend. TPing out of a push when we're at their base in a 5v4 situation to kill a wave that's over a minute from reaching our 2nd tier tower in a sidelane is not a good decision.
and for what it's worth, he never said you can't read, he said you're not reading. your reply here actually confirms that fact =/ Oh good you don't respect my opinion? I don't respect yours either then, opinions such as, spectre shouldn't buy items during a push, because it's not like I can ult and teleport to the battle. Opinions such as teams should agree beforehand every scrim that BD is not allowed, because it's not like this is basic dota knowledge but because you don't play any other dota games other than TL IHs, you don't know shit about Dota. edit: Oh yea I forgot, me, my friend and L, 4v4, we're Leoric, Potm, TS, Shinbi is BB, Shinbi dies like 5 times more than any of us, doesn't participate in battles for 30min, farms a vanguard and treads in 30min. We just lose a battle I go, shinbi feel free to do something. Shinbi tells me to "shut the fuck up" and explains his play as the result of TS not getting wards, which he should've gotten I agree. But it's obvious you died so much because you have no map awareness because hey, you're BB. It's ok though shinbi is never wrong, makes excuse for bad play then tells me to stfu.
hey let's exaggerate some more shall we? dying 5 times as much as you? only farming treads/vanguard? don't make me laugh.
i said a variation of 'please get wards' about 5 times from the 5th to 15th minute, and when TS didn't, he wasn't doing his part as a teammate. So tell me the reason for why i should do my part? It's like playing tug of war, if half of us aren't pulling the weight, why should the other half give a shit? Most of my deaths came from 15+ minute mark because i stopped caring, because TS didn't care to begin with. Not to mention TS didn't speak a word that entire game, and i'm not entirely convinced it's because he's not an idiot.
so hey, re-reading that, it's some shit that comes down to a wrong decision by your friend. TPing out of a push was a wrong decision. not buying wards was a wrong decision. don't shit on me because you play with idiots.
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Is bly always so ridiculously BM? I only played with him once (he was BM then), and I saw the whole BD drama, is he always like that?
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wait it was bm for me to flame someone for BDing or it was bm for him to BD?
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bly is pretty much the epitome of bm, and it's quite hilarious how he believes otherwise
also, new poll on the front page *****
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yea paper telling me to stfu when you go bfury on omni is bm by me. you want me to caress your feelings?
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i think you have your acronym definitions mixed up cutie
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i dont think so, but feel free to tell me again how mean i was to you though
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bfury on omni is "BM" to you because you play by the book so predictably and undermine everything noobs do. face it, dota is a low skill ceiling game. some things noobs do have some merit, and you're not blowing anyone out of the water with your skills, zulu, if you can remotely call them that. you've been playing dota far more than i or nearly everyone in the tl dota team has, yet you probably blow the hardest. no map awareness, poor decision making, poor reaction, etc. i don't know where or when you became cocky, but it's ridiculously unwarranted and it astonishes me how someone with such poor mechanics can attain this level of arrogance.
anyway, back to the bfury.
1. i didn't see the game ending before 30 minutes
2. when the game is guaranteed long-term, you set yourself up for long-term
3. no point in going support in most tl games because no one ganks with you on ping
4. battlefury is one of the fastest ways to farm coupled with purif without going radi. yes, i could have gone arcane and wasted 30 minutes trying to gank with incompetent players, or i could go battlefury and actually become a threat to the other team instead of G/R/Eing and then becoming useless in team fights at 60 minutes
5. for the lulz
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we were definitely going to win that game if we didn't push because iirc we had better late-game heroes despite your being underleveled as a solo.
looool
edit: and yes, that is correct usage of "your"
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paper im better than you at every aspect of dota. I might be average skill wise compared to pubs but I'm pretty sure you suck balls. And yea the reasons you listed are all bullshit you're just trying to save your tender little ego from feeling bad because I yelled at you for going bfury as omni. Ask anyone who knows what they're talking about here and you'll get the same answer. And why the fuck are you trying to correct my grammar when it's perfect? Are you just that much of a bitch that you don't actually have any reason to insult me so you result to grammar LOL? fuck off little bitch
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wow I wish I was intense enough to play Dota 
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seriously though I'm pretty sure I was right that game and you are wrong? But it's ok you shinbi zelniq should start a "fucks up a lot but defends himself like 5 year old with endless excuses" club.
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zulu you tried your hardest kicking and screaming at teammates while i fucked around and i still outleveled your noob ass LOL
really now, you solo'd as BROODMOTHER who takes down two towers in 15 minutes and i was fucking omni getting raped in a dual lane. i don't think i need to say any more.
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Bly was well within his right to point out my homosexuality in the BD case.
And I admit it was wrong and he was right. But I still think it was a fitting end to one of the worst games i've seen with some of the worst plays / players I have seen.
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and i remember zulu's excuse: "i was talking to ryugie the entire time!1"
but wait, i was talking too LOL. i think that's akin to noob sc players who can't type and play at the same time rofl
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On December 28 2008 02:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
in fact you know what, I've decided I don't like you Zelniq because you raged at me over something you're responsible for LOL. Zelniq go rage at someone else I'm not playing on the same team as you anymore.
this is exactly what im talking about when I say youre not listening to me.
I've said this to you several times, I only started raging because of your absurd responses, and not over things that happened in the game (meaning, what I underlined above is incorrect). Your response showed you were clearly not comprehending what I was saying, which in my mind seemed very clear. I don't know if you were simply not paying attention to what I was saying, not reading all of it, not comprehending it, or myself somehow communicating poorly, but it was very frustrating to talk to you when you kept drawing misconceived conclusions and getting all worked up over things that I wasn't even saying.
Your posts in this thread that are directed at me are constantly referring to what happened in the game, which is really not something I was raging over or really cared much about. The only issue I was really pissed about with you was regarding communication (it wasn't a 1-time problem, it kept coming up again and again).
And when I did talk about the game, I was just trying to state/argue my own opinions on what I thought should/should not happen. Yet you seemed to think I was raging/worked up over it when I was really just frustrated over communication issues.
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nevake has gotten battlefury on viper before ;_;!
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United States7166 Posts
I thought it may help if I gave an example of some of the failed communication I was talking about in the above post.
Take note of what I underlined:
On December 28 2008 02:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:
the point is Zelniq lacks the basic coordination to not charge in and die with THD, which seems obvious to me is the main reason that push failed.
Right when that happened, or before when TK TPed, he said to us on vent, wait a sec I'm gonna clear the top lane so the creeps are better. I didn't type "don't push" because I assumed you guys wouldn't fight without TK. However I was wrong and I guess I should've typed, "don't go guys TK is clearing top lane." Next thing I know Zelniq charges in, Furion follows and we get gangraped. Zelniq immediately types in caps, WHERE WERE YOU GUYS?
The person who is most responsible for that failed push it would seem to me is, Zelniq for charging in. I take the blame for not typing out, "don't go when there's no TK." Furion takes the responsibility for dying with Zelniq, or wanting to save Zelniq at all.
I've already told you what I'm about to say so many times already, and yet you still write this post clearly showing you did not pay attention to what I was saying.
YES, I am obviously clearly at fault for charging in and dying there after Tinker ported out. I never once tried to blame my death on someone else here. Yet you keep telling me like I don't know that it was my own stupid fault I died. god I said this so many times it's really frustrating to see you KEEP ON REPEATING THIS like you really need to point out my mistake.
Now if you're wondering, "then what the hell were you complaining about?" I was saying that I thought we should have simply pushed even though our top lane, 2nd tower was going to die (if it was even going to. Because at the point that tinker ported to top, the tower was not even under attack yet, it was 1-2 screens away from tower range. However in a while it was going to be attacked, as there were more enemy creeps that would eventually make it to the tower and likely eventually kill it). I was saying that I thought we should push hard when we have 5 all together on their side of the map, after having just ganked SB and all of us still having plenty or full hp/mana.
And when I said this, you keep going back to my own death and why I died, as if you keep assuming and coming to the wrong conclusion of me somehow blaming tinker/someone else for my death. Never once did I say / imply this.
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