EPTwhich basically means if you catch her alone you're fucked, dem ghosts will catch you!
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
which basically means if you catch her alone you're fucked, dem ghosts will catch you! | ||
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mel_ee
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
Plus you combo her with infinite chakra by the new KoTL. Plus you push towarz for teh guldz. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On November 24 2008 02:05 mel_ee wrote: doesnt she have like low hp? You should watch the replay i posted in the Dota replays thread of our clan war vs lasthitmagic. It shows scourge btm lane krob + kotl and its domination entire game. Basically its kotl goes chak + leak while krob goes swarm + 1 level of silence early. Starting items are: Krob 2x circ 2x tango, kotl: chick 1x circ 2x branch 1x tango. It goes on to krob swarming towards hero once every wave where the swarm gets a creep kill. kotl chaks and at level 2 starts mana leaking enemy heroes that are far from tower (since they are ranged they just focus said hero so he HAS to run and lose mana). Since krob is free farming due to swarm + chak you have to either A) gank btm frequently, or have a lane that can come out from side and always kill them. (in game 3 we gank them fairly enough, but it can be stopped by wards, game 1 we couldnt do anything aside from live). Krob with the mass mana he has goes point booster + vit booster -> persev -> bloodstone. After bloodstone he gets boots -> heart -> str treads -> shivas. With any decent line up for team fights krob just becomes a rape machine. With her ult speed increased you cant out run ghosts meaning team fights she has more ms than you, her ghosts move faster than you, and with shivas you will never get away. Silence is just icing on the cake for krob. In the end she turns into a tank with 2500+ hp and 25+ armor with 20-30 hps. You just can't burst that down when her ult can clear out a team in under 10 seconds =/. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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paper
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
On November 24 2008 06:26 paper wrote: her ult always healed her when the ghosts came back s.t. they wouldn't even heal her if you ran too fast or TP'ed away Yeah which was basically broken like shit in a sad way. I think the damage of the ghosts should be balanced around. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
except for magic resistance | ||
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paper
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Manit0u
Poland17652 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
with refresher if they somehow live. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
NONE CAN STAND UP TO THE AWESOME POWER OF DAGGER TECHIES! NO ONE!! | ||
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paper
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14903 Posts
On November 24 2008 08:18 Naib wrote: Lothar sunder dagonnnn i used to do this all the time but with the way roshan is now it takes forever to get to low enough hp | ||
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[TYG]Transcend
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On November 24 2008 09:12 KOFgokuon wrote: i used to do this all the time but with the way roshan is now it takes forever to get to low enough hp Why don't you just farm neuts and then do it? Neuts will drain you eventually. | ||
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paper
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old but a goodie | ||
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[TYG]Transcend
679 Posts
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 24 2008 05:39 DoYouHas wrote: As a straight up lane krob/kotl is really vicious for reasons stated before, but you have to remember that that lane is insanely gankable. No disable (cept mana leak which isn't all that effective against a gank) both of them are squishy. And while they buffed the move speed of ghosts, iirc they used to heal her during the ult making her even harder to kill instead of a big hp boost at the end like it is now. The way I see it that push strat which lasthitmagic and crew used doesn't have much power beyond laning and pushing if you can ban or deal with chen. If you can have 1-2 roaming gankers and wards to make sure that krob and chen have a rough early game the push strat gets delayed enough that your heroes should win out mid-late game (if you picked decently). As pointed out by alv if you just sit there chakra + carrion will walk all over you and at the same time krob will farm up a bloodstone. You have to pick heroes that can be aggressive against that early, slow down krob's farming a ton or force her to go to the neutrals and compete with chen. You dont have to focus on killing krob the entire game, just early on to delay the bloodstone as long as possible, once the bloodstone is out there, focus on winning team fights because its a waste to attack krob in a team fight unless she is isolated. Push strats have become much more popular recently but I think that will only be the case until a solid counter to it is well known. perhaps a lineup such as pit, lich/omni, na, geo/lycan, cm/lion.That would give you a great push stopper in pit, 2-3 roaming gank heroes with lich/omni na and cm/lion, and a carry who can farm while helping keep the heroes down. Problem is the 2-1-2 setup so many teams like to use, sticking Krob/Kotl on top or bot makes it hard to gank, unless you like dragging your solo away from mid. The other problem is that KotL has too much versatility mid game, counter pushes, push himself, gank, counter-gank. I do agree that they need some kind of ganking early-mid game to slow them down. Pugna counter-pick INC. | ||
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