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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 02:45:35
November 11 2011 02:41 GMT
#31981
The more i play this game, the more i think the ideal line up for pub 1500-1650 is something like

1 tank/semi carry ( ra or elec )
1 support
3 hard carries ( like two ranged and a melee )

Disco if someone picks scout or nh.

lol

At that level when you try to make a team who makes SENSE you end up being outcarried by some really dumb line ups.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 02:53:27
November 11 2011 02:47 GMT
#31982
WDC on now.


first game starts in about an hour? or 8 minutes. i have no idea :[

yeah its starting now, the schedule was off by an hour


pplive (needs ppva plugin)
http://v.pptv.com/show/unveXMQqmthl40 s.html

restream
http://www.own3d.tv/live/140146/Anhedons_Live_Gaming_Stream

CET 04:00 iG.Z vs Na'Vi

CET 05:00 Panda vs EG

CET 06:00 EVE vs GG (seems to only live for one game)

CET 07:00 NV vs DK

CET 08:00 Trust vs Na'Vi

CET 09:00 iG.Y vs LGD


http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/thread/862417-wdc-live-schedule
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
November 11 2011 02:56 GMT
#31983
The more i play this game, the more i think the ideal line up for pub 1500-1650 is something like

1 tank/semi carry ( ra or elec )
1 support
3 hard carries ( like two ranged and a melee )

Disco if someone picks scout or nh.


3 hard carries is going to mean someones underfarmed and will be feeding.

In my bad pub player opinion a basic team for just winning matchmaking games would be.

A hero who can win mid and control the early game. Succubus
Long lane a support and a farmer. Magmus/Valk
Short lane should be able to get kills if against a solo and win in farm if not. Glacius/Ra

Ra and Valk can both carry while having some earlygame presence. Magmus is initiation. Succubus is early ganks. Glacius is ward bitch the whole game.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 11 2011 03:03 GMT
#31984
On November 11 2011 11:41 Boblion wrote:
The more i play this game, the more i think the ideal line up for pub 1500-1650 is something like

1 tank/semi carry ( ra or elec )
1 support
3 hard carries ( like two ranged and a melee )

Disco if someone picks scout or nh.

lol

At that level when you try to make a team who makes SENSE you end up being outcarried by some really dumb line ups.

for 1500-1650 all you need is RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
it's hard to play him and be underlevel and not farmed. Just play him hotbl red boots and headress into post haste and portal key and jump on people all day while farming.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17731 Posts
November 11 2011 03:19 GMT
#31985
On November 11 2011 00:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 00:18 Manit0u wrote:
Would support-style Venomancer be viable in DotA as it is in HoN?

I'm asking this because friends want me to take part in DotA tournament with them at fantasy convention this weekend and I haven't played regular DotA in years. We're gonna lose all games most likely but at least I'd like to play a hero I can be comfortable with (last time I ended up playing Kunkka solo lane vs Bane Elemental and Lion lane).

yes, but you're better off playing somebody like CM or VS for support, plus they're closer ports in hon than veno is.


While I love glac in HoN I despise CM in DotA. Her animations are just atrocious and the hero feels clunky at best overall. VS I could do, but since we'll be playing -cm it might not be available for us. That's why I asked about veno, so I can have a hero I could fall back on if things go sideways.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 11 2011 03:41 GMT
#31986
On November 11 2011 12:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 00:23 rabidch wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:18 Manit0u wrote:
Would support-style Venomancer be viable in DotA as it is in HoN?

I'm asking this because friends want me to take part in DotA tournament with them at fantasy convention this weekend and I haven't played regular DotA in years. We're gonna lose all games most likely but at least I'd like to play a hero I can be comfortable with (last time I ended up playing Kunkka solo lane vs Bane Elemental and Lion lane).

yes, but you're better off playing somebody like CM or VS for support, plus they're closer ports in hon than veno is.


While I love glac in HoN I despise CM in DotA. Her animations are just atrocious and the hero feels clunky at best overall. VS I could do, but since we'll be playing -cm it might not be available for us. That's why I asked about veno, so I can have a hero I could fall back on if things go sideways.

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dat cm playing glacius as support is heresy to me you only play slaycius get all kills like a boss
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
November 11 2011 03:45 GMT
#31987
I tried to get beheheart on glacius once. Madness ensued.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 11 2011 04:32 GMT
#31988
this is some high level play by EG's WR
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 15:12:33
November 11 2011 15:11 GMT
#31989
Sometimes i'm having more fun griefing and trashtalking than playing the game.

I'm completly bipolar when i play this game. I'm like mannered 4 games out of 5 but then there is always that one game where i try my best to be a complete jerk and i'm enjoying it.
Maybe that's the real game in HoN ( and in pub team games in general ), like hacking is the real game in D2.
lol
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 12 2011 07:52 GMT
#31990
so ive played dota for about 6 years now, LoL for 2

just started to get into HoN (even though i have dota2 lmao). i play on the SEA server and queue with 1 or 2 other friends

won like most of our games pretty easily, but still a tad confused. could someone point me to where i could see the differences between HoN and DotA? in terms of items, mechanics, and maybe the FotM heroes now (amun rah?). thanks!
cool beans
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 12 2011 07:54 GMT
#31991
On November 11 2011 12:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 00:23 rabidch wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:18 Manit0u wrote:
Would support-style Venomancer be viable in DotA as it is in HoN?

I'm asking this because friends want me to take part in DotA tournament with them at fantasy convention this weekend and I haven't played regular DotA in years. We're gonna lose all games most likely but at least I'd like to play a hero I can be comfortable with (last time I ended up playing Kunkka solo lane vs Bane Elemental and Lion lane).

yes, but you're better off playing somebody like CM or VS for support, plus they're closer ports in hon than veno is.


While I love glac in HoN I despise CM in DotA. Her animations are just atrocious and the hero feels clunky at best overall. VS I could do, but since we'll be playing -cm it might not be available for us. That's why I asked about veno, so I can have a hero I could fall back on if things go sideways.

lich (plaque rider), witch doctor (voodoo jester) are always options too.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17731 Posts
November 12 2011 09:35 GMT
#31992
On November 12 2011 16:54 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 12:19 Manit0u wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:23 rabidch wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:18 Manit0u wrote:
Would support-style Venomancer be viable in DotA as it is in HoN?

I'm asking this because friends want me to take part in DotA tournament with them at fantasy convention this weekend and I haven't played regular DotA in years. We're gonna lose all games most likely but at least I'd like to play a hero I can be comfortable with (last time I ended up playing Kunkka solo lane vs Bane Elemental and Lion lane).

yes, but you're better off playing somebody like CM or VS for support, plus they're closer ports in hon than veno is.


While I love glac in HoN I despise CM in DotA. Her animations are just atrocious and the hero feels clunky at best overall. VS I could do, but since we'll be playing -cm it might not be available for us. That's why I asked about veno, so I can have a hero I could fall back on if things go sideways.

lich (plaque rider), witch doctor (voodoo jester) are always options too.


And is shadow priest still there in DotA? How different would he be to demented shaman?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 09:44:55
November 12 2011 09:43 GMT
#31993
On November 12 2011 18:35 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 16:54 rabidch wrote:
On November 11 2011 12:19 Manit0u wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:23 rabidch wrote:
On November 11 2011 00:18 Manit0u wrote:
Would support-style Venomancer be viable in DotA as it is in HoN?

I'm asking this because friends want me to take part in DotA tournament with them at fantasy convention this weekend and I haven't played regular DotA in years. We're gonna lose all games most likely but at least I'd like to play a hero I can be comfortable with (last time I ended up playing Kunkka solo lane vs Bane Elemental and Lion lane).

yes, but you're better off playing somebody like CM or VS for support, plus they're closer ports in hon than veno is.


While I love glac in HoN I despise CM in DotA. Her animations are just atrocious and the hero feels clunky at best overall. VS I could do, but since we'll be playing -cm it might not be available for us. That's why I asked about veno, so I can have a hero I could fall back on if things go sideways.

lich (plaque rider), witch doctor (voodoo jester) are always options too.


And is shadow priest still there in DotA? How different would he be to demented shaman?

unbreakable is different from shallow grave, and i think his int gain is nerfed in hon, thats about as far as i know
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 12 2011 10:11 GMT
#31994
uh... SEA HoN player here I guess, on Garena, just started playing against recently since i'm a little bored of dota

sup?
ffxiv enjoyer
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
November 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#31995
On November 12 2011 16:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
so ive played dota for about 6 years now, LoL for 2

just started to get into HoN (even though i have dota2 lmao). i play on the SEA server and queue with 1 or 2 other friends

won like most of our games pretty easily, but still a tad confused. could someone point me to where i could see the differences between HoN and DotA? in terms of items, mechanics, and maybe the FotM heroes now (amun rah?). thanks!

That's a really general question - there are a lot of differences and a lot of similarities

Hag - Queen of Pain
Plague rider - lich
Pyromancer - Lina
pebbles - tiny
valkyrie - mirana
Devourer - Pudge
Witch slayer - Lion
...

I can go on.. FotM heroes are generally the S2 heroes because the general opinion is they are usually a little overpowered:

Amun - Ra
Nomad
Warden
Big support heroes are usually: demented shaman, glacius, witch i dno

There are just so many things to talk about without even starting on items; the basic ones are pretty easy like
Phase boots = ghost marchers
Treads = steamboots
vanguard = helm of the black legion
branch = minor totem
magic stick/wand = mana battery/power supply
desolator = shield breaker
BKB = shrunken head
MKB = savage mace
...

So .. many.. things.. ><
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
November 12 2011 10:53 GMT
#31996
On November 12 2011 00:11 Boblion wrote:
Sometimes i'm having more fun griefing and trashtalking than playing the game.

I'm completly bipolar when i play this game. I'm like mannered 4 games out of 5 but then there is always that one game where i try my best to be a complete jerk and i'm enjoying it.
Maybe that's the real game in HoN ( and in pub team games in general ), like hacking is the real game in D2.
lol


I don't get your kind. I absolutely love trolling, but griefing? Where's the fun in that? Do you get enjoyment out of warding your own jungle and filling the screen with NOOB every time a teammate dies? Why? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUUUUUUUUnghhh *dies*
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 11:14:43
November 12 2011 11:12 GMT
#31997
http://honwiki.net/wiki/DotA_vs_HoN

It's a few patches behind but the big stuff like item and hero correlations are still there.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 14:38:47
November 12 2011 14:37 GMT
#31998
On November 12 2011 19:53 Ethenielle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 00:11 Boblion wrote:
Sometimes i'm having more fun griefing and trashtalking than playing the game.

I'm completly bipolar when i play this game. I'm like mannered 4 games out of 5 but then there is always that one game where i try my best to be a complete jerk and i'm enjoying it.
Maybe that's the real game in HoN ( and in pub team games in general ), like hacking is the real game in D2.
lol


I don't get your kind. I absolutely love trolling, but griefing? Where's the fun in that? Do you get enjoyment out of warding your own jungle and filling the screen with NOOB every time a teammate dies? Why? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUUUUUUUUnghhh *dies*

Well to my defense, i only grief when i know that the game is over and i don't want to play more. Instead of staying afk in pool and getting kicked, you can have some fun with the autist kid who picked scout for example.
I can troll from the start though. :>

I don't start a game with the intention of griefing. But when i'm paired with idiots or if we are down 0-10 within ten minutes and we are up against a beefy line up well if they don't cc i usually stop to play or grief.
But don't get me wrong the funniest part is the trashtalk and this can also happen in a "normal" game.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
November 12 2011 16:30 GMT
#31999
Good thing you only do it when YOU know the game is over. You're no different from the "idiots" on your team.

Glad I won't have to play with you, griefer
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 17:35:36
November 12 2011 17:21 GMT
#32000
The problem with HoN is that a game can last easily 40 minutes even if you have absolutly no chance to win. Usually the winning team will make no effort to push if they know that they have the strongest carries and they will just farm in front of your base and wait for you to come out ( to get a better K/D/A ).

I honestly don't understand how you can have some fun when you are in that situation. The right solution would be to cc and that what the "pros" do but sadly in pub games there is always the scout kid with his perfect record of X/0/0 who thinks he can win. That's when the trashtalk/grief game starts.

Should have a cc 10 option and less votes needed to pass the cc.


Even if i'm not too fond of Sc2, there is something great about it. The average game lasts less than 15 minutes. And PvP ( a pretty shitty mu ) is around something like 10-12 minutes last time i checked. So even if the game suck it is over quick,
same thing with team games. You don't have to stay with the same morons for 40+ minutes. If they suck or you suck the game is over in ten minutes.

Now imagine a full protoss 4x4 where buildings have 200x more health and you are forced to stay in game because a cool kid has built a mothership and thinks he can beat the maxed 800 army of the ennemy. It would suck right ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
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