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i also dont understand the need for a huge hp and mana bar, you need to be an idiot if you dont know what hp you're at, i wish they made the rest of the stuff bigger because they're equally as important as hp and mana
i also hope the UI is skinnable since its valve
also for bad quality streams small font just doesnt work well, valve needs to consider this
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What I don't understand is why they need the big portrait of "SHADOW FIEND" there. I know what character I'm playing, I picked it at the start... I'm sure there will be settings to change all this of course, but it just seems like a lot of screen space wasted. If there's one lesson that game developers should have learned by now it's that people like a clean, minimalist UI, not one with all this fancy art and scrollwork on it that takes up half the damn screen...
In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno...
Second edit: This is a wild guess, but I bet that that UI is highly customisable ingame. I'd be suprised if you can't drag and drop skills into different quickbar slots and change the key assosciated with that slot on the fly.
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The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100%
in game looks really nice though, should be very clear
On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno...
Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory
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Higher resolution
http://i56.tinypic.com/30k3r5g.jpg
I like everything except for the UI (which probably isn't final, when you make a game, a nice UI is the last thing you make). However, I'm sure the fixed damage is going to stir up some controversey.
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On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory
portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap, simple colors is the way to go.
i didnt notice the fixed damage
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On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap
isn't really an issue
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On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue
again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors
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I just opened up HoN and opened up that picture side by side to compare, and graphics wise it's definitely better than HoN. Especially when you take into account that the screenshot graphics are static. It's on the source engine, so i'd imagine there would be some advanced shaders and not to mention physics? Or would physics (creep/hero bodies flying backwards when they're killed etc) lead to gameplay issues.. for example earthshaker ultimate needs dead creeps to stay where they are?
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ok that one with the doombringers look nice
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On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors
well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits
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On August 14 2011 16:28 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits
because clustering of portraits is a pain, overlapping and needing to differentiate colors obscures the minimap because portraits require more space to realize who they are
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On August 14 2011 16:30 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:28 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits because clustering of portraits is a pain, overlapping and needing to differentiate colors obscures the minimap because portraits require more space to realize who they are
but it isn't, load up lol right now you can see it isn't an issue. there's no portrait overlap problem
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On August 14 2011 16:31 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:30 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:28 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits because clustering of portraits is a pain, overlapping and needing to differentiate colors obscures the minimap because portraits require more space to realize who they are but it isn't, load up lol right now you can see it isn't an issue. there's no portrait overlap problem
dota has non overlapping minimap icons, so i can easily see 2-4 colors even if they're all standing right on top of each other, if that was in portraits i wouldnt be able to see that. looking at the dota 2, i dont think its the right thing to do
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I wouldn't really worry about the UI too much. It's the one thing that changes the most in almost every game going from alpha to beta to release. I'm almost positive that it'll either be totally customizable anyway, or change for the better by release.
The second screenshot with doom bringer looks pretty nice graphics-wise though, since it's a bigger resolution screenshot.
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On August 14 2011 16:36 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:31 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:30 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:28 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits because clustering of portraits is a pain, overlapping and needing to differentiate colors obscures the minimap because portraits require more space to realize who they are but it isn't, load up lol right now you can see it isn't an issue. there's no portrait overlap problem dota has non overlapping minimap icons, so i can easily see 2-4 colors even if they're all standing right on top of each other, if that was in portraits i wouldnt be able to see that. looking at the dota 2, i dont think its the right thing to do
well I'm not gonna bother arguing with you any more but there is another game that does portraits and it doesn't cause the issue you are saying it does... period. so w/e
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I looks alright to me, though I could do without the big portrait or perhaps just having it smaller. It's also in pre-beta stages like others have said so the UI is bound to get some polishing and updating.
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On August 14 2011 16:40 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:36 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:31 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:30 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:28 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:24 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 14 2011 16:15 rabidch wrote:On August 14 2011 16:11 UniversalSnip wrote:The interface is way too big and I don't like the lack of portraits on the minimap, lol got that right 100% in game looks really nice though, should be very clear On August 14 2011 16:07 NikonTC wrote:In fact on reflection surely Valve already knew this? The halflife/halflife2 UI was brilliant it it's ability to hide un-needed elements and basically vanish to the peripherals of vision when action was going on.. Maybe they did it to appease the DOTA fans? iunno... Every play tf2? Interface is pretty big and the weapon models hide half the screen... you can change all that pretty easily but on release it was mandatory portraits on the map is bad because things will overlap isn't really an issue again, minimalism here is the best approach. if you need to know who it is know the colors well, i dunno why since you could just have portraits because clustering of portraits is a pain, overlapping and needing to differentiate colors obscures the minimap because portraits require more space to realize who they are but it isn't, load up lol right now you can see it isn't an issue. there's no portrait overlap problem dota has non overlapping minimap icons, so i can easily see 2-4 colors even if they're all standing right on top of each other, if that was in portraits i wouldnt be able to see that. looking at the dota 2, i dont think its the right thing to do well I'm not gonna bother arguing with you any more but there is another game that does portraits and it doesn't cause the issue you are saying it does... period. so w/e
For me personally at least, if HoN for example were to have a little hero icon for each player on the map, I would be so much more confused than just remembering who is what color each match. There's so many alt avatars and hero releases coming out constantly, I have a hard time figuring out wtf a lot of people are even on just the scoreboard, based on the icons. It's just a lot easier to remember colors each game, for me at least.
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the doom bringer pic looks really good
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Looks amazing, can't wait. They probably will make skills re-bindable for the dota crowd, but qwer makes so much more sense and definitely encourages hotkey use for new players.
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